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Armor Prototypes GB Spring 2007 to Spring 2008
Posted by Hermesminiatures on Monday, January 15, 2007 11:42 PM

Hello Everyone,

 

After discussing this in the Armor forums, it seems there would be some interest in a Group Build focusing on armored vehicle designs that never made it off the drawing board or were only produced in small numbers. From a drawing board tank like the Schmall Tiger or Tiger III to vehicles that saw limited combat like the Sturer Emil, or examples that had only non-combat prototypes built, like the Maus or E-100. Feel free to set your chosen vehicle in a diorama portraying it in its intended role, or marked as the vehicle likely would have been had it ever seen service. Try not to be too science fiction-ey, but you can take liberties to build, for example, a Maus with quadruple 88mm FlaK turret. The "rules" would be as follows:

-Any scale

-Any era

-Must be a) a vehicle that was never produced, b) a vehicle that had prototypes built, or c) a vehicle that saw limited combat. For option c, try to keep it to vehicles that were produced in numbers less than 25 and not just weird-looking vehicles that were produced in some numbers like the Marder series or RSO-based AT guns.

-Add any AM you desire or build OOB. Scratchbuild if you want, some examples may require itSigh [sigh]

-We'll build from now until approximately sometime in spring 2008.

 

The GB badge:

 

Participants:

Hermesminiatures - Dragon 1/35 Jagdpanzer IV A-0 

Gun Tech - RPM 1/35 Minemraumer 

jimz66 - Trumpeter 1/35 Sturer Emil 

balta1 - Dragon 1/72 Maus 

detailfreak - Dragon 1/35 Dicker Max

315rooster - Vac-U-Cast 1/76 E-25 Leichterjagdpanzer Neuer Art

espins1 - Dragon 1/35 VK4501 Tiger (P) 

 

 

 

Any questions, additions, suggestions, etc, just post away!

 

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Monday, January 15, 2007 11:56 PM
Is there a cutoff date for joining?  I'm involved in some other GBs and the rest of my life is pretty busy, so I don't know if I'll have time for this until the summer.
Brian
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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:27 AM
Summer is fine, unless you were like planning on a 1/16 scratchbuilt Maus...then you might not have time to finishWink [;)]

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:01 AM
Probably a US pilot tank from WWII, this way I can thin out some of my spare bits.
Brian
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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:00 AM
I'll be building the Dragon Jagdpanzer IV A-0 training vehicle.

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:14 AM
What happened to all the other people?
Brian
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Posted by Gun Tech on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:49 PM

 MortarMagnet wrote:
What happened to all the other people?

They are working Wink [;)]

Put me down for the Minemraumer from RPM  1/35

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by Gun Tech on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:31 PM
Hey Hermes, cool badge! Smile [:)]   What does it depict?

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:18 AM
A proposed flamethrower variant of the Soviet T-28 light tank.

Jonathan

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Posted by jimz66 on Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:49 PM

Count me in I am working on Emil right now. Just finished the construction and will be building Tiger I early and Krupp Protze that are going to have the same base coat so I will paint the Emil at the same time. Can anyone lead me to more information on the Emil. I don't know much about it. Unfortunatley their is not much information in the instructions or on the box. I highly recomend this kit from Trumpeter as it falls together quickly and very nicely. Can't wait to see it finished I will have to look for my digital camera cable to upload the images. Talk to you later.

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:23 PM

Trumpeter's english is horrible, isn't it? I have the Emil kit as well...

There were only three Sturer Emils made and they all served with PzAbt 521 at Stalingrad. None survived the battle, although one was found afterwards with 28 kill rings on the barrel. Trumpeter's colors and decal placement instructions are pretty accurate, so you'd be fine to do as their directions indicate...if you can decipher themWink [;)]

Jonathan

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Friday, January 19, 2007 8:13 AM
I was thinking of building a T23, but I'm hurting for pictures of the hull.  I don't want to guess at 75% of the detail.  Are there any books about the T20 series that anyone knows to exits?
Brian
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Posted by jimz66 on Friday, January 19, 2007 2:33 PM
 Hermesminiatures wrote:

Trumpeter's english is horrible, isn't it? I have the Emil kit as well...

There were only three Sturer Emils made and they all served with PzAbt 521 at Stalingrad. None survived the battle, although one was found afterwards with 28 kill rings on the barrel. Trumpeter's colors and decal placement instructions are pretty accurate, so you'd be fine to do as their directions indicate...if you can decipher themWink [;)]

 

Herme I came across an old FSM with an ad for this kit and it was painted in a two tone Green yellow scheme. I think the box number was the same although the kit did have the same number like I said. Yeah I know what you mean by the LOUSY English.  YIKES!!!

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Friday, January 19, 2007 7:13 PM
Hmm....fanciful artwork I would say. There were only three built and they were all dark grey for certain.

Jonathan

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Posted by balta1 on Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:36 PM

Hi all!, I'd like to join the GB. I'll be building the 1/72 Dragon Maus.

Stir not the bitterness in the cup I have mixed for myself!

 

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Posted by jimz66 on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:44 PM
Well then Gray it is. Thanks Herme. I appreciate it. I will paint the Emil when I paint my Tiger I Initial and my Kropp Protze.
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Posted by jimz66 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:04 AM
I have the chassis already built and the upper hull assemlbed. The road wheels have been assembled as well as the barrel I just need to sand then I can paint. I will have some photos this coming week. Stay in touch.
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Posted by Plastic_Cross on Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:19 PM
 jimz66 wrote:

Can anyone lead me to more information on the Emil. I don't know much about it. Unfortunatley their is not much information in the instructions or on the box.

Hi - I can probably help out a bit.  I have the issue of Panzer Tracks that features several pages devoted to the good ol Stubborn Emil.  Some excellent pictures - fresh from the factory floor as well as scenes of them in the field.  I built one of these late last year and I agree it nearly fell together by itself.  though I had a little problem in the tail end of the vehicle.  I'll scan some of the pages for you if you like.  From what I remember, there were only two built, with the one survivor currently on display in a Russian museum.

I still need to apply decals and do some mild weathering & dry brushing.

 

Larry

 

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Posted by jimz66 on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:04 PM

The first two images are of the inside of the Upper hull

 

These images are of the inside of the hull without the upper hull attached.

 

These last four images are of the whole assembly minus the tracks.

 

I have some aftermarket tracks that I need to assemble and install. That is the next step here.

 

For those of you who have interest in this model, it goes together very well and very quickly. I recomend it to anyone. It has a great theme to it and looks great all built up. Can't wait to see it once I have painted it.

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:36 PM

That looks real good Thumbs Up [tup]

I'm anxious to start mine, but I have other projects on the to do list....

 

What aftermarket tracks you are going with?

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by Plastic_Cross on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:56 PM
 jimz66 wrote:

I have some aftermarket tracks that I need to assemble and install. That is the next step here.

A smart move on your part.  The kit tracks are too tight.  I had some Hobby Boss replacements on order, but the order was cancelled since they didn't have any more in stock.

Which aftermarket tracks did you get? 

Larry

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Posted by jimz66 on Friday, March 9, 2007 2:17 PM
Thanks Jean-Michel, like I said it was a great quick build.
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Posted by jimz66 on Friday, March 23, 2007 2:31 PM

Gun Tech. That thing took like four hours to assemble. Maybe one or two more. It is  very quick build one that is nice. I started working on my tracks last night. So I should have something posted for that next week some time.

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, March 23, 2007 7:37 PM
Good thing then, I will wait a bit for mine though, I also got the Eduard PE for it. I'll clear a few projects firts, and it's turn should come soonSmile [:)]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by jimz66 on Monday, March 26, 2007 10:24 AM
Gun Tech, sorry I misread your question. The links that I have are from Hobby Boss. They look fairly decent. However, there is absolutely no directions with them.  The other issue is that there are two parts trees, because they mold them one a tree and then there is also a replacement front wheel sprocket. Of note there is no information to weather or not there are differences between the two sides.
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Posted by Gun Tech on Monday, March 26, 2007 10:54 AM

No directions???   Is it something regular with them, or it just a mishaps on your set?

As far as I know, there should not be any differences between the 2 sets of tracks.

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by detailfreak on Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:52 AM
hello prototype group build members.just read the posts here and this build interests me.i to have built the sturer emil and concur on its ease of assembly,and would recomend it even to a novice.although i broke away from accuracy and painted mine in dark yellow ochre,and heavily weathered it.after all freedom of choice is the rule.i have recieved the trumpeter "dicker max",and if i may would like to enter your g.b. with this offering.although i am currently involved in two other g.b's.i guess im a sucker for punishment.but with the long build times i should be o.k.Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:46 PM
That's fine, welcome!

Jonathan

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Posted by detailfreak on Monday, June 18, 2007 9:12 PM
greetings,have started the dicker max project and things moved along smoothly.the kit is typical trumpeter grey molded plastic.the detail for the most part is very good.the instruction sheet starts with the parts sprues laid out,and unused parts listed at the bottom.first step of assembly is the roadwheels,sprockets,and idlers,also tow shackles,drive housings,return rollers are covered in step2.parts locations are well illustrated.step 3 covers the rear panel,idler adjustment,a stowage box with spare roadwheel mounting.step 4 involves the assembly of the bogies.the sprue attachment points are quite thick and require cleaning,also some very large mold lines.the bogies ,when properly assembled,articulate much as the real thing would.the covers over the roadwheel arms are very well registered in there proper position.and hold the arms securely.as i said before the sprue attachments are very prominent so plan on spending more time cleaning than building.in all steps 1-4 have went smoothly.and i will try to take some better quality photos as this progresses.at this point i will paint the lower chassis,clean up the roadwheels which are only set in place and not permanently attached yet.i know the picture quality is not that great.but any discrepencies or comments very welcome.

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Posted by 315rooster on Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:09 AM
Hey...this sounds fun, and I'll use it as a reason to pull out one of those 1:76 scale Vac-U-Cast resin kits that I like so much.
 
I'll build the E-25 Leichterjagdpanzer Neuer Art (call it the E-25).
 
Since it is small and resin, the kit has few pieces, lost of clean up, and much paint work will be necessary.
 
Grant 

Grant

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