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Civil aviation group build Mar 3, 2007 to Dec 17, 2007

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Posted by oldhooker on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:14 AM
 jeaton01 wrote:

Next step, and bumping.

Oh yeah... back to that beautiful SPINNER!!     It really sets off the engine and will really look classical on the front of the Staggerwing! Thumbs Up [tup]      How did you do it? Smile [:)]

Take care,

Frank

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:26 PM
Frank, on the spinner and the propeller blades, polished them a little, painted them Testors square bottle gloss black, and then let that dry for about four days.  Then after polishing them again just a little, I painted them with Model Master buffing mtalizer aluminum, and then polished that.  For the prop tips, I had a slight hiccup and needed to redo it.  I cleaned off the offending Tamiya yellow which left the base yellow plastic, and it looked so nice I just left it that way. 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, May 7, 2007 11:57 PM

bump

The yellow is drying.

John

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Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 9:21 PM

Yea, it lives. Smile [:)]

Still plugging away myself just not as fast as I'd like to be.

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Posted by oldhooker on Wednesday, May 9, 2007 1:47 AM

We're just so busy modeling there's hardly any time for the computer... {yeah right} LOL!     I've added 2 more coats of the slick stuff to the Cap20, and she's been under the box for a while now, as I got side-tracked bashing the Heller T-28! Shock [:O]

Our youngest daughter will be leaving home Monday, for California.      Kevin (her hubby) has been in training in the Marines since just after they were married last August, so she stayed here with us.     He got orders for Camp Pendleton for the 18th, so we're kinda spending our spare time with her/them this week. Smile [:)]

They'll be all kinds of time next week to model I imagine... Shock [:O]    Which kinda scares me a little.... Sad [:(]     Had kids around since 1978, 3 daughters... they all will live away now, it's going to be awfully quite here, the key word being "awfully"!    

Ya'll take care,Smile [:)]

Frank

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, May 9, 2007 8:58 PM

I sprayed a gloss coat on the Staggerwing this morning.  It was Model Master Bright Yellow, on top of two or three coats of Tamiya Flat Yellow which had cured for 10 days or so.  I'm liking it!

There were some beasty seams, especially on the trailing edge of the upper wing to the fuselage, but with shiny enough paint I hope to disguise, if I can't hide, my mistakes/failures to pursue perfection. Cool [8D]

John

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Posted by oldhooker on Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:19 PM

Wow.... that's a beautiful classic yellow finish, John! Thumbs Up [tup]      A real head turner!

The last time I saw a real Staggerwing was at the old Blacksburg airport in Virginia in the late 70's, and I remember as it taxied by, you could tell who the "flying nuts" in the crowd were by the dreamy SMILES that appeared as it rumbled past! Smile [:)]

Kind of like the smile on my face as I looked at your progress! Big Smile [:D]

Take care,

Frank

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:50 PM

Thanks, Frank.  I had some doubts about the AMT kit because the surface detail is overdone, but enough sanding and enough layers of paint are seeming to give the model the look I remember the real Staggerwings have that I remember.  The first time I saw one up close was a real eye-opener, at the Merced EAA air show about 1964.  I had made the flight down there in my '46 J-3, in formation with a Champ and another J-3.  Had to fly formation, since I had never been signed off for cross-country flight.  Not sure I logged that 2 hours, maybe I should check....

Anyway, no matter how close I looked I couldn't see any fabric weave on some of those Staggerwings, there were several there.  No Cadillac ever looked that good.  They must have had 20 coats of dope on them, hardly any rib tape visible, just gloss everywhere.

The last time I saw a Staggerwing fly was about 10 years ago, it was a red one with black trim.  A thing of beauty.  I can see it now in my mind's eye.

John

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Posted by gulfstreamV on Friday, May 11, 2007 12:52 AM
Wow, you guy's may have a hard time believing this. But I'm 99% sure I saw one fly overhead this afternoon. I was in the north San Diego area (near McClellan-Palomar, which is south of Camp Pendleton, Ca.) and heard that disinctive sound. Mind you, there is civil and alot of military aircraft flying in this area all the time. She was @ about 2500 and I didn't see that double wing until she had passed. Red paint job and moving right along. The person next to me saw me staring at it and said "What is that?". I answered "One of the rarest most beautiful old airplanes you'll ever see flying, a true classic". "Oh one of those old biplanes?" they said. I shook my head and said, "No, that was a Beech Staggerwing.".............. absolutely amazing!  By the way Chino Airshow is coming up next weekend May 18.     3   count'em  3 P-38's FLYING! Oh Yeah!
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, May 11, 2007 2:16 AM

Glad to hear you saw a Staggerwing aloft.  Hopefully there will be Staggerwings in the air for many years to come.

Take plenty of pictures at Chino.  Wish I could make it.

John

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Posted by Aaronw on Friday, May 11, 2007 8:10 PM

This one flew into the Mariposa airport last year so there are a few around. Yours is looking good so far.

 

 

I am getting quite an urge to attempt to foil my Beech C45. 

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Posted by brain44 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:38 PM

Sue is a lot of good looking work going on here - hopefully I can get my first prog pics posted tomorrow!  I actually HAVE started my Amelia Earhart tribute, I swear.....Whistling [:-^]

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." John Bernard Books (The Shootist)
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Posted by brain44 on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:05 AM
 brain44 wrote:

Sue is a lot of good looking work going on here - hopefully I can get my first prog pics posted tomorrow!  I actually HAVE started my Amelia Earhart tribute, I swear.....Whistling [:-^]

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

As promised, a few early project pics......finally!!!!! Cool [8D]

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Comments and constructive criticisms always welcomed!  I chose not to hyper detail the interior, since little can be seen through the tiny windows and I could find no interior reference pics for Amelia's aircraft.  The paint is acrylic silver.  Thanks for looking!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." John Bernard Books (The Shootist)
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Posted by telsono on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:36 PM

John;

The Staggerwing is a classic and you do it justice. I really can't say that my Wilga is top notch, it became a problem child. This AModel kit is short run and shows it. There was a lot of fit diffilculties in the end that I am glad that it is finished even though I could have done some more to it. It is still presentable.

Mike T.

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Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:54 PM

Congratulations on finishing, Mike.  It looks lika a Wilga, the real ones I've seen look like the designer wasn't concerned with drag.  Some of the limited run kits (maybe all of them) are difficult builds.  It looks fine to me.

I put most of the decals on the Staggerwing today, but production at Eaton Modelwerk is going to slow down for a few days, ALL THE GRANDKIDS ARE HERE! Thumbs Up [tup]

John

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:26 PM

I guess I lied a little....while the grandsons were playing IL2 Stormovik blow 'em up, I managed to nearly finish the Staggerwing.  After the decals and little bits I painted and stuck on cure a few weeks I'll put a final coat of Future on, if I remember.  The rigging was done with 6 pound monofilament, and the decals are from the kit, could be 30 years old, overcoated with decal film before use.  The blue on the nose of the cowl is Testor's square bottle dark blue with a little black added, matches the decals pretty close.  There is a narrow gold stripe edgeing the blue which is also painted on.  I did the blue with half thinner/half paint, and a very soft bristled 1/4 inch wide brush.  Without a doubt the best brush finish I've ever gotten.  Don't know how that happened, but I'll take it! Approve [^]  

John

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Posted by mph34 on Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:51 PM
 jeaton01 wrote:

  Without a doubt the best brush finish I've ever gotten.  Don't know how that happened, but I'll take it! Approve [^]  

Thumbs Up [tup] Bow [bow] Make a Toast [#toast]

When I grow up, I want to paint as well as you! Bow [bow]  I don't know if I can return to the model bench now, I feel so unworthy. Dunce [D)]

You have a plane that you can be mighty proud of your work.  This is a contest winner!

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Posted by brain44 on Friday, May 25, 2007 9:58 AM

Beautiful job on the Stagger Wing, John!  Truly a classic aircraft!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." John Bernard Books (The Shootist)
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM
Thanks for the nice comments.  mph, only the blue ring on the cowl and the gold strip next to it are hand painted, the rest is airbrush.  With brushes I am pretty much a hack.  I think I have learned though that thin paint and a wide very soft brush, so the paint pretty much flows from the brush to the surface is the way to go.  Like thinking of the brush as a way to transport the paint to the airplane, not something to spread it on.

John

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Posted by IL2windhawk on Friday, June 8, 2007 11:34 AM

Great work on that staggerwing! 

  1/32 Revell Duo Discus
  1/32 Revell ASK-21
  1/48 Ardpol SZD-51 Junior
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Posted by brain44 on Friday, June 29, 2007 10:13 AM
 brain44 wrote:
 brain44 wrote:

Sue is a lot of good looking work going on here - hopefully I can get my first prog pics posted tomorrow!  I actually HAVE started my Amelia Earhart tribute, I swear.....Whistling [:-^]

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

As promised, a few early project pics......finally!!!!! Cool [8D]

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Comments and constructive criticisms always welcomed!  I chose not to hyper detail the interior, since little can be seen through the tiny windows and I could find no interior reference pics for Amelia's aircraft.  The paint is acrylic silver.  Thanks for looking!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

Finished at last, finished at last!  Here are the final pics of the Amelia Earhart L-10!

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This is the Williams Bros. kit, and it had it's challenges!  The plastic was VERY soft and the fit of the wings to fuselage looked like th grand canyon!   I needed .10 styrene sheet to fill before I could even start puttying!  At any rate, here she is for your perusal!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." John Bernard Books (The Shootist)
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, June 29, 2007 12:09 PM
Congratulations on your finish, Brian.  The Williams Brothers kits can be some work, but it looks like you came out on top.  Someday I may finish the C-46 that always lies in wait partly done.

John

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Posted by gulfstreamV on Friday, July 6, 2007 6:10 AM
Have not posted anything for awhile. ( Doing "S" turns in that thing called life ). Anyhow I had to scale back my build from the MG. DC-3 to a Modelcraft Cessna 172. I got myself into too many GB's and not enough timeDunce [D)] I figured the little Skyhawk was an easier build and faster. Well here is a WIP pic and as you might see I made the easy build into a time consumer? I'm going to open the pass. door and rt. baggage door. Open the pilots' window and drop the elevators. That spider in the uper rt. is the Lyc. 360, I'm trying to do some minor plumb and wire with it. Yeah I'm saving time with this one allright? ( What an IDIOT I am! ) You all have and are doing such a great job on yuor builds I'm glad to be involved with this GB. Keep up the excellent work everyone!  Here's the pic  
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Posted by gulfstreamV on Friday, July 13, 2007 11:12 PM
Still plugging along with the little skyhawk. Sometimes I think a GB is a race of somesort. Why make it a year long when most are done in the first month? Not to wonder why but do as... here's my WIP on the Modelcraft 1/48 172 Cessna. I used .020 brass rod for the drop elevators and other atachment points, Doors,gear struts, etc. Hope to get this to the paint booth soon! Anybodyelse still in this GB?          Cool [8D]
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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:59 AM
Well, we're watching you and taking notes.....

John

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Posted by gulfstreamV on Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:40 AM
Well OK, The work continues on the little 1/48 Modelcraft 172. Slow progress here trying to get the interior buttoned up. The kit is not all that detailed, so I attempted some scratchbuild stuff to make it more interesting. It's not nearly 100% accurate, just trying to make the best of it?          Still need to do some touch-up and the backseats/baggage area need more work.             Back to the Bench!Cool [8D]
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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:57 PM

 jeaton01 wrote:
Congratulations on your finish, Brian.  The Williams Brothers kits can be some work, but it looks like you came out on top.  Someday I may finish the C-46 that always lies in wait partly done.

Skip the floor, and the landing gears are shown switched in the instr. I really like this a/c.

Gulfstream- beautiful detail at the smallest scale.

Bondoman

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Posted by gulfstreamV on Friday, July 20, 2007 12:14 AM
Thanks bondoman, you're doing an excellent job on that bird of your's also! Cool [8D]
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, July 20, 2007 12:39 AM

Yeah, Gulfstream, that's going to be a sharp looking 172.  The panel and engine are beautifully detailed.

Bondo, yeah, that's what I need, inspiration on the C-46 front.  I'm trying to put a natural metal finish on mine, and there is a lot of filling and polishing left to do.  I wiped out a lot of detail getting the wings and tail to fit and so I'm also trying to get that back.  Maybe I'll make some Logair decals for it and add it to this GB.  Thanks for the tip on the landing gear, I haven't got to that yet.

John

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, July 20, 2007 1:11 AM

A year ago, there was an obit in the Chronicle about a pilot named Norman Spitzer, with a pic of him standing in front of the tail of a Commando. It described how he flew the Hump and the article claimed his aircraft was named the Rockpile Express. I was intrigued, so I worked it over on the www.

Recommended book: "Flying the Hump" by Ethell and Downie, which includes the same photo of Norm as in the fishwrap. A metal finish. page 48

This photo shows the one thing you NEED, besides a figurine of Norm with a 38 in his holster, and I can't find; the ATS badge. If you have knowledge, and I've got printers, maybe we could figure this out.

I learned that Williams Bros. has been purchased by a new owner. So I wrote him and offered to do research in return for a decal run of this plus yellow codes. The old kit somehow manages to omit the most common markings used, in favor of, well you know. Also the insignia blue is just wrong, which I told him. And never heard from him again.

They are promising a re-release, which I'd buy and do a NMF as you plan, and to be like Normans. But we're not communicating anymore, so I have no idea what is afoot. He sent me the draft box art:

Norm Spitzers house burned in the 1991 Oakland fire and he lost all of his photos. I would wish that Williams would honor his memory and run the decals for the silver a/c. They're showing Smiley's Airlines, which is shown in the Squadron "..in action" which I can't recommend.

According to all of the sources, ATS pilots flew what ever was on the line on a day to day basis, often switching a/c on the ramp if there were problems.

Research first, model later.

Bondoman

 

 

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