MiG Killers Group Build, 7/07 to 6/08

I think I'll join this. Did any F-18s shoot down MIGs during the 1st Gulf War? If not then I'll pick up an F-4 at my LHS.

David

I think an F/A-18 picked up a apair of MiG-21s during ODS.

It was one of the few times a bomb ladden fighter scored a kill, and then went on to complete their bomb strike.

EDIT:

 Found this on ACIG....Pretty much says it all.

cj95 wrote:

I think an F/A-18 picked up a apair of MiG-21s during ODS. It was one of the few times a bomb ladden fighter scored a kill, and then went on to complete their bomb strike. EDIT:  Found this on ACIG....Pretty much says it all. 17Jan91 VFA-81 M.Fox   F/A-18C/163508 AIM-7M MiG-21bis IrAF 17Jan91 VFA-81 N.Mongillo   F/A-18C/163502 AIM-9M MiG-21bis IrAF

There are also a few F-15's that scored kills over Iraqi MiG's.

Also this, I am recinding the one aftermarket item rule and making it unlimited since I am using several aftermarket items on my F-4 I only feel its fair to go with an unlimited rule.

Cj, I hope you are going to join.

ww2modeler,  Welcome aboard!

I will be working on badges tonight and have them posted soon.

For everyone else reading this.... COME and JOIN US!

Air Master

ruddratt wrote:

I seem to recall reading about some F-84G's during the Korean conflict that registered MiG kills. If this is true, then I would like to enter a 1/48 Tamiya F-84G, but as I'm currently up to my eyeballs in GB's, I wouldn't be able to start until early next year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-84_Thunderjet

According to Winkipedia... "During the war, the F-84 became the first USAF fighter to utilize aerial refueling. In aerial combat, F-84 pilots were credited with eight MiG-15 kills against a Soviet-claimed loss of 64 aircraft. The total losses were 335 F-84D, E and G models."

So YES! You can with an F-84G and if you want to join later that is fine. I just need ten people on list. Late starters are welcome.

Air Master

I did some research but couldn't find any info on visual differences between the F-18C and E models. Are there any major differences such as shape, size, pods, etc. I know that the E has advanced avionics and a different engine but is that it?

David

ww2modeler wrote:

I did some research but couldn't find any info on visual differences between the F-18C and E models. Are there any major differences such as shape, size, pods, etc. I know that the E has advanced avionics and a different engine but is that it? David

The Super Hornet F/A-18E is a little larger than the C. Fusalage is longer, wing surface area is bigger and has the "dog tooth" extention on outer wings and the leading edge extentions...LEX's, under canopy extend out farther and wider than those on the C.

Hope this helps.

Air Master

Okay, I guess I'll have to pick up a C kit somewhere. Thanks for the help.

David

David, You might want to try Evilbay (Ebay) and look for the Revell 1/48 F-18C or their 1/48 Blue Angels kit which does come with the parts to build into the C bug. They are not bad kits and I have built both of them.

Air Master

Rudd Welcome aboard!

We still need 7 or more people to join. Come on you guys sign up! This will be a worthwhile GB!

Here are the badges we will be using. Take the one you like best.

If badges are to big let me know which ones and ill try to resize them smaller.

Air Master

I know there were several F-15 kills during ODS.....I was just answering the question regarding the f-18C victories.

For info try ACIG.org.....they pretty much have every aerial victory from almost every war since WWII immaginable.

Here are some of the F-84 victories I found.....(may be incomplete since there are buku victories to sort through during Korea.)

Also a number of F-80 kills, F-51 and a whole bunch of B-29 kills   LOL.

Thanks for providing the info Cj

Air Master

Three questions, are we voting on a GB badge or are we just picking the one WE like best. And does our plane have to have the kill markings on it or does it have to be before the mission. And, are GB badges only issued to those who finished or to all thoe that participate.

David

ww2modeler wrote:

Three questions, are we voting on a GB badge or are we just picking the one WE like best. And does our plane have to have the kill markings on it or does it have to be before the mission. And, are GB badges only issued to those who finished or to all those that participate. David

No voting on badges, you can just take what looks best to you. You can add badge as long as your participating. The plane you model will represent does not have to have kill marks unless you want to add them. I plan to add mine because when Cuningham and Driscol got thier 3rd, 4th and 5th kills they already had two MiG kills which were marked on the F-4 on the top of intake splitter plates on both sides. It might look better adding them to but it's not necessary. I'm going leave up to GB members to decide how they want thier Mig Killers to look.

cj...great site and quite a list. Unfortunately for me there is not one F-84G to be seen there.

Fear not though, because I did find this on it....

...so I will use my Tamiya 1/48 F-51D. The kit has markings for a bird from the same unit (36th FBS, 8th FBW), just a different pilot (Capt. J. W. Rogers). Plus, I have a few goodies to add to it....a Black Box 'pit, some Eduard PE, and a nice set of Ultracast exhausts.

So, in light of all this info, I would like to change my entry to the F-51D, because there's no way I'm backing out of this GB.

Ach.......didnt notice the 'G' vs the 'E' that you were asking about.   Sorry.

I'll probably join this GB myself, but at the moment I have no earthly idea what to work on.

I still got a couple of half-completed tanks on my desk so it may be a bit.

Rudd, Change made to P-51D is fine with me and I marked it down.

Cj, when your ready to join the GB let me know I'll add you on.  

NOW, for those reading this... JOIN OUR GB! Come on guys this is gonna be a fun and cool group build.

What are you waiting for? SIGN UP!

Air Master 

Thanks Rand! This is going to be a fun build!

Oh, and that should read as an F-51D, not 'P'.

ruddratt wrote:

Thanks Rand! This is going to be a fun build! Oh, and that should read as an F-51D, not 'P'.

Typo corrected

Hey Rand, I am definetly in on this GB. I think it's a great idea and perfect timing for me as I am wrapping up some other GB's right now so the timing is great. I have my own personal Gb's that I am doing which is to build as many Marine Corp birds as I can.I have an F-8 Crusader in my stash from Monogram with USMC decals so I would like to find out if any USMC Crusader bagged a Mig?. Thanks for the website cj I will look it up in a minute to check but if anyone knows of a Crusader kill please let me know. If that is not a candidate then I will build a F-4J from VF-31 flown by CMD Flynn in June of '72 when he splashed a Mig. I have a 1/48 kit and decals for it ready to go. As a foot note my friend also flew that same bird during there time at Yankee station. It is currently in the Air and Space Museum (udvar hazy ) in Marine corp markings,  yeaahhhh. Very sore point with the VF-31 Veterans.

Steve

Do you have room for me?  I'm about to start a Tamiya 1/32 F-4C Phantom II.  It has markings for Col. Robin Olds' mount Scat XXVII.  The kill count would be 2 Mig 17's and 2 Mig 21's. 

Semper Fi,

Chris

I may be wrong, but I dont think there were any Marine air to air victories during vietnam.

This should not be surprising since Marines are primarily tasked with Close Air Suport and should not be off chasing Migs to start off with.

However there were I think 18 or so Naval F-8 victories......actually the best kill ratio of the war belonged to the F-8

I didn't specify, Robin Olds was an Army Air Corps and then an Air Force officer.  He achieved 12 victories in WWII and 4 more in Vietnam.  Olds designed Operation Bolo which was a very successful operation used to draw Mig-21's into an aireal trap.  I'm a Jarhead, but that doesn't mean I can't model an Air Force aircraft.

Semper Fi,

Chris    

cj95 wrote:

I may be wrong, but I dont think there were any Marine air to air victories during vietnam.   This should not be surprising since Marines are primarily tasked with Close Air Suport and should not be off chasing Migs to start off with.   However there were I think 18 or so Naval F-8 victories......actually the best kill ratio of the war belonged to the F-8

One F-8 Mig kill I am familar with was that of U.S. Navy Cmd. Richard Bellenger serving with VF-162 flying F-8E's from the USS Oriskany shot down his first Mig in 1966. 

Air Master

ridleusmc wrote:

I didn't specify, Robin Olds was an Army Air Corps and then an Air Force officer.  He achieved 12 victories in WWII and 4 more in Vietnam.  Olds designed Operation Bolo which was a very successful operation used to draw Mig-21's into an aireal trap.  I'm a Jarhead, but that doesn't mean I can't model an Air Force aircraft. Semper Fi, Chris

Chris, You can build any Mig Killer A/C your little heart so desires.