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The RCAF Group Build Birthday Party
Posted by Poppie on Friday, March 28, 2008 3:11 PM
RCAF GROUP BUILD
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he RCAF Group Build Birthday Party.

PREAMBLE;   The RCAF was formed, the first time, on 1 April, 1918, so its our birthday in a few days!  The formation and history of the RCAF during WWI and the inter-war years is a farce - it started with 2 officers, 1 mechanic and $5000 to buy 1 airplane!. 

At the begining of WWII, in 1939, the RCAF had 230 aircraft, half of these were allocated for training purposes.  The 'offensive' wing consisted of 19 Hurricane Mk I and 10 Fairey Battle Light Bombers.  From this humble begining in 1939, the RCAF grew to be the fourth largest allied air force. Canadian Squadrons flew just about every type of aircraft, in most of the theatres of conflict of the war.  Thats a pretty major accomplishment.  It's estimated that at the war's end, over 14% of Canadians (including Newfoundlanders) were in uniform.

RULES ARE:

  • A) the Build starts 1 April 2008 and runs for 2 years
  • B) any and all types of aircraft, theatres of operation, are included (because of the wide scope of aircraft involved),
  • C) it should be aimed at finding Canadian Squadrons,
  • D) squadrons that Canadians served in are acceptable
  • but must be noted.
  • aircraft flown by notable Cdn Pilots in, say, RAF and AAAF Squadrons are acceptable
  • f) it should include both offensive and defensive operations ie fighter and bomber squadrons,including night bombing offensives, This includes TAT, Training, Army Support, Night Fighter. In other words = no area of operations excluded. 
  • g) you should post some information on when your squadron went operational, awards, novel operations, notable pilots, etc (that's pretty well all noted at http://www.rcaf.com/).
  • h) sign in begins on the RCAF Birthday - 1 April
  • I)Deadline is 1 October 2008
  • J) build runs for two years
  • K) Scale is: ALL SCALES WELCOME - any manufacturer
  • h) Aftermarket goodies are restricted to what your pocketbook allows but are not encouraged overall - emphasis is on 'scratchbuilding.
  • l) bomber & escort combinations are encouraged
  • J) post your choice of plane, its history and Poppie will keep track of everyone and issue a badge
  • NOTE: I'm still working on the badge

 

There is a complete list of planes that Canadians saw service in with RAF and RCAF SQN's at http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/

Here's a quick break down.

BOMBERS

  •  Lancaster's - 12 Squadrons
  • Bristol Beaufort's  - 404, 415 SQN's
  • Bristol Blenheim - 404, 406, 407,415, 419 SQN's
  • Bolingbrokes - 8, 111 118 SQN's (in Aleutians)
  • Mosquito's  406, 409,  410, 418, SQNs (night fighters) & 404 fighter bomber
  • Boston's - 418 SQNs (Night Intruder)
  • Fairey Barracuda - 825, 826 SQN's
  • Halifax Bombers  (14 SQN's)
  • Hampden Torpedo Bombers - 408,  420, SQN's
  • Wellington Bombers *11 RCAF SQN's saw service (on loan) with RAF 1941-44 plus 407 & 415 SQN's in Coastal Command

FIGHTERS

  • Boulton Paul Defiants - 409,  410 SQN's
  • Beau fighter (Night Fighters) 404, 406, 409, 419 SQN's
  • P-40 Tomahawk - 400, 403, 414, 414, 430 SQN;s
  • Mosquito (Night Fighter) - 406, 408, 409, 410, 418, SQN's
  • Hawker Hurricane - 242, 401, 402, 417, 438, 439,440 SQN's
  • Typhoon - 438, 439, 440 SQN's
  • P-51 Mustang - 400, 414, 430, 331, 442 SQN's
  • Spitfire - 15 SQN's total served in Spits up to 1945 including N Africa & Italy

Canucks flew all kinds of combat craft during the war while posted to RAF SQN's. Planes like Gladiators, Wildcat, Tempests Corsairs are all on the list.

Post your intent on the forum and I'll  pull everything together together from there.

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by dirtball on Friday, March 28, 2008 5:38 PM
  Poppie my friend. Glad to see you back. And starting a GB to boot! Good for you Good luck with it...............Harv
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Posted by arki30 on Friday, March 28, 2008 9:27 PM

2 years?  Uh, it's hard enough keeping a year long build active.  You might want to reel that in a little, but it's your build.

Cool concept!  I'm not sure I have anything Canadian.  Hmm....

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Posted by Poppie on Friday, March 28, 2008 10:06 PM
 arki30 wrote:

2 years?  Uh, it's hard enough keeping a year long build active.  You might want to reel that in a little, but it's your build.

Arki,  Thanks for the advice. I wasn't too sure how long to make it but figured it was easier to cut it short if everyone was finished than it would be to extend it. Second, I figured because of the numbers of Cdn Sqn's associated with Bomber Command and the new Revell Lancaster kit, guys might want more time to fiddle with a multi engine job.  Anyway, I'll get things up and rolling and then do a poll and take it from there.  Thanks again for the advice.

 

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Posted by Bullet21 on Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:06 AM
Sounds good Poppie! I've got a few kits in the stash of our stuff, but I'll have to do some research to build anything really specific. Maybe a Wellington or a Lancaster. I'll find something in here for sure so count me in. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:05 AM

The RCAF Group Build Birthday Party

Welcome, welcome, welcome.  One day to go before the party starts (1 April) then we can all sing "Happy Birthday RCAF".

I still think "Royal Canadian Air Force" sounds a whole lot better than the "Canadian Armed Forces - Air Command".   There's no sense of history, no romance of the air.  Ah well, let's build it like it was.  Poppie

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Posted by jssel on Monday, March 31, 2008 8:36 AM

All set here.  Revellogram P40 OOB with 403 Squadron markings as researched by an old Camo and Markings publication.  KH*R AH883.  Let the clebration begin.

 

Jeff

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Posted by brain44 on Monday, March 31, 2008 10:18 AM

Even though I am not Canadian, I grew up on the NYS/QUE border and have many relatives living in the eastern Canada area, so this will be my tribute to them as well as the RCAF! The Arrow is itching to go, Poppie!  Make sure to add me to the list!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 AM

HONOUR ROLE:

Here's the Group Build list to date:

  • Poppie
    • Spitfire Mk Vb, 1/48, 401 Sqn as of 19 August, 1942, Dieppe Air Battle (NOTE: ***Battle Logs to follow)
    • Hawker Typhoon, 1/48, -I'm researching 438, 439 and 440 Sqn's
    • Lancaster, 416 (Moose) Squadron as of night of 12/13 June, 1944 when Andrew Mynarski won his Victoria Cross.
  • Bullet21
    • 1/72 De Havilland Mosquito Mk. XIII Night Fighter.  410 Squadron-"The Cougars"- based in Colerne, Wiltshire,July 1944 
  • Jssel (Jeff)
    • P-40, 403 Squadron, # KH* R AH883 (Monogram)
  • Razordws (Dave)
    • Lancaster, 420 Sqn. and possible Starfighter
  • DrewH
    • Tutor (Drew is still locked away in MI [Military Intelligence]) doing research and will get back to us to firm up his commitment.
  • Brian44
    • CF-105 Avro Arrow (more made in plastic than were ever built!)
  • Reload (Brent)
    • PBY-5A, 162 Bomber Reconnaissance Sqn., Markings of F/L David Harnell, VC,(1/48)
    • Westland Lysander, 400 Sqn.(1/72)
  • Summit (Sean)
    • DeHaviland Tiger Moth DH 82C, Pavla kit
  • DaveCS (Dave)
    • F4U-Corsair, as flown by "Hammy Hampton, Victoria Cross
  • Chester101 (Alain)
    • Sabre 4 looks definite.
  • Moskit
    • CF-104, No.104815, in standard combat camo.
  • SuperBear
    • Revell 1/72 Spitfire Mk Vb from 401 Sqn - PO Donald Morrison's YO*A BS119 with the experimental camo scheme.
  • Max Power *** HE'S BEING PRESSURED TO JOING BY MANY FORCES!!!!

 The roll remains open:

Please remember to post as much information about your particular plane and squadron as you can find.  There is a wealth of info at http://www.rcaf.com/ on all the planes, squadrons and general information.

 

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 11:45 AM

Poppie,

I'm already starting a conversion of the old Airfix Anson MK 1 to a MK 5 - do you think this will be allowed? Seeing as how I've just started it (sanding, filling but haven't glued any parts together as of yet).

Cheers
Dave

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 1:37 PM

401 SQUADRON OPERATIONS RECORD 19 AUGUST, 1942

(The following is the Squadron Operations Record for the Dieppe Air Battle of 19 August, 1942 in which 401 squadron participated.  I'll be doing one of my RCAF Group Build projects based on one of these pilots, most likely P/O Morrison who I met in Toronto.  I've copied the Record out and posted it for your enlightenment and enjoyment, so, enjoy.  Poppie)

R.A.F. Form 540         OPERATIONS RECORD BOOK      SECRET

Unit or Formation: No. 401 Squadron, R.C.A.F.

Lympne, Kent 18-8-42

                ..........G/C Potts and W/C Thom briefed all pilots of 133 and 401 Squadron for big commando raid by Canadians to "Jubilee" giving maps and detailed instructions. Utmost secrecy to be maintained, everybody all keyed up and raring to go.

Lympne, Kent       19-8-42

Weather: clear until 04:00 at 07:00 high cloud drifting in from South, heavy haze over channel during morning, no wind. Looks like ideal weather for big show. 04:54 Squadron at readiness.

Weather: Dawn broke clear with heavy ground haze, clouding over a 0800 hrs. 7/10 cumulus 700 feet Dieppe, clear over Target at Abbeville, wind 5-10 M.P.H. from South.

Briefing: 24 B.17E to rendezvous over Beachy Head at 23,000 feet, 64 and 401 Squadrons escort 25,000 feet 402 Squadron at 27,000 feet and 611 Squadron at 28,000 Feet. Route and timing:                Over Beachy Head at 10:00 hours, cross French Coast at Cayeux at 10:12 hours, and over target (Abbeville Aerodrome) at 10:18 hours.

The Squadron to have freedom of action after escorting bombers out of French Coast, 64 Squadron to escort B.17E's home.

Action: S/L K. Hodson reports: Left Lympne at 09:35 hours with 14 a/c (two spares) made rendezvous Beachy Head at 10:00 hours., orbited for 12 minutes awaiting bombers. Joined up with bombers between Dungeness and Beachy Head at 10:12 hrs., crossed French Coast at Cayuex. Medium heavy flak was encountered from French Coast to Abbeville, and intense heavy flak over target, accurate for height, bursting close to bombers. Bombers turned left after bombing and left French Coast over Berchs Ner. Very accurate bombing results wsere observed on target, many direct hits on administrative area and echelon at N.E. corner of aerodrome, and some scattered hits to South on runways. No. 401 Squadron turned left when bombers reached coast having met no opposition from enemy fighters on the run in over target or coming out with bombers.  All bombers returned safely. S/L Hodson took squadron south inside the coast towards Dieppe, maintaining height at 25,000 feet, then turned and dove toward Dieppe. Yellow Section lost contact with Red Section. Over Dieppe at 10,000 feet S/L saw FW190 and closed to 50 yards on E/A starboard quarter astern, coming in from below and gave a 3 second burst cannon and M/G from range of 200 yards but observed no results, E/A continued on dive to right - S/L broke off and Red 2 F/S Zobell followed E/A down to 6,000 feet and gave a 3 second burst cannon and M/G from range of 200 yards but observed no results, E/A continued on dive as Red 2 broke off and rejoined Red 1. One F.W.190 claimed as damaged by S/L Hodson. After this encounter with F.W.190 S/L Hodson setting course for base, saw 4 Twin-Engine bombers coming in from North, 10 miles from Dieppe, and 2 miles off the coast. These were unescorted and were thought to be friendly. S/L turned to investigate and identified them as Do.217's and closed to 50 yards dead astern on nearest Dornier and gave 4 second burst cannon and M/G, saw cannon shell explode with flash in tail assembly, and many strikes along fuselange as S/L broke away.  This Do.217 claimed as damaged by S/L Hodson. Red 2 F/S Zobell reports after encounter with F.W.190 S/L said over R/T "Okay, we are going out" when I saw 4 plus Do.17's. The C.O. picked one, I picked another one, coming in from above and behind, starting firing at 300 yards, giving short burst then closed to 20 yards giving a long burst of cannon and M/G, observed strikes in fuselage and wings. E/A did steep right turn and leveled out. I broke away and came around and made another attack, closing in to 100 yards and fired a 4 second burst cannon and M/G from above at E/A starboard quarter astern, saw many hits on S/B tail assembly and fuselage. This Do.217 claimed as damaged by F/S Zobell. Zobell had to break off attack as was fired on my unknown aircraft and was hit by M/G through rudder, wings, and through Perspex and in reflector sight, receiving eye injury and he brought his a/c back to the base. Red 3 F/S S. Coburn reports: I saw 4 plus D0.217 coming in from N.E. We were at about 5,000 feet. I azattacked one from range of 200 yards from port quarter astern, closing to astern, gave a 3 second burst cannon and M/G saw red flashes and strikes along S/B fulelage and tail. I came in again from port side on this D0.217 giving a 2 second burst from port quarter astern from range of 200 yards but observed no strkes on this last burst. I saw fighter aircraft closing in, headed into them when I noticed they were Spits so broke off and returned to base. Two Do.217 claimed as damaged by F/S Coburn.

Yellow 4 F/S R.D. Reesor reports our section lost Red in dive towards Dieppe, over thi town we saw at 11,000 feet several single F.W.190. Yellow 3 P/O D.R. Morrison went into attack, made quick half roll. Il followed, he ended up 150 yards behind a F.W,190, strikes from dead astern hitting tail plane and fuselage. E/A went straight up, a piece about 10 feet long, and smaller pieces fell off starboard side, and a great stream of black smoke came off enemy a/c. Yellow 3 and I went into cloud at 7,000 feet. I ended up below cloud, lost Yellow 3. I then climbed up through cloud found Yellow 3 going slow for home and could not make R/T contact, he appeared to be hit, came down to 1500 feet and ran into Dearie 1 and 2. Yellow 3 caught on fire, saw him bale out and gave "mayday" several times from 500 feet, saw rescue boats within ½ mile, P/O Morrison got into his dinghy and hoisted flag, as I was running short of fuel, I returned to base. I consider this E/A destroyed by P/O Morrison. Yellow 3 P/O Morrison has since been picked up but has not yet returned to squadron . Pilots returning to base from Dieppe reported town was covered by smoke. Blue Sectionlost contact with squadron and F/S E. Gimbell leading section accompanied by 6 B.17E's back to English Coast. He gave a very accurate description of flak and bombing results over target, which coincided with S/L report.

Those taking part in this action were:

Blue

  • 1. F/S E. Gimbell
  • 2. P/O H.Westhawer
  • 3. F/S Sinclair
  • 4. P/O T. Ibbotson

Red

  1. S/L K. Hodson
  2. F/S M. Zobell
  3. F/S L. Armstrong
  4. S/P L. Armstrong

Yellow

  • 1. J. Whitham
  • 2. S/P J. Chapin
  • 3. P/O D. Morrison
  • 4. F/S R. Reesor

Enemy Casualties:

1 Do.217                 Damaged               S/L K.Hodson

1 F.W.190              Damaged               S/L Hodson

1 Do.217 Damaged               F/S Zobell

2 Do.217 Damaged               F/S Cosburn

1 F.W.190              Destroyed             P/O Morrison, D.F.M.

Our Casualties:

1 Spitfire IX           -  P/O Morrison - baled out - safe

1 Spitfire IX           -  Category "B" - F/S Zobell - slightly wounded

Second Sortie 13:25 hrs

Weather: Heavy ground haze and smoke over Dieppe. & 7/10 cloud at 10,000 feet.

Briefing: Patrol over Dieppe at 23,000 feet with freedom of action.

Action:  S/L Hodson reports: Squadron airborne from Lympne at 13:25 hours, set course for Dieppe, orbited over Dieppe for 30 minutes, then returned to base. Ground troops had withdrawn when we arrived over Dieppe and convoy had traveled some 40 miles away from the French Coast. During patrol the following combats ensued:

Red Section: Red 1 S/L Hodson Red 2 P/O T. Ibbotson saw 2 F.W.190 ahead. They turned right and dove, we followed. I fot in a short burst from range of 300 yards astern. E/A did quick flip, followed and gave another short burst. E/A did another quick flip and dived away. No claim made.

Blue Section: Blue 1 P/O G. Murray reports: saw 6 plus F.W.190 and overshopo, I then made a left hand turn and got on the tail of another F.W.190 and closed within 25 yards and opened fire from 10 degrees port above astern with a 2 second burst cannon and M/G from 50 yards dead astern and saw strikes on fuselage and wings.  E/A took no evasive action and continued down. I had to break off attack as a F.W.190 opened fire on me from astern. I did climbing turn having followed E/A down from 18,000 to 12,000 feet. This E/A is claimed as probably destroyed by P/O G.Murray. I called section together at 15,000 feet when 4 F.W.190 bounced us, did steep turn and E/A broke off and got on tail of one from range of 300 yards dead astern closing to 200 yards and gave long, continuous burst of M/G only as cannons failed, saw strikes on wings. E/A dived into cloud. I broke and returned to base. This F.W.190 claimed as damaged by P/O G. Murray. Blue 2 P/O H Westhaver reports: Followed Blue 1 and observed F.W.190 over Dipeep at 22,000 feet. Dove down out of sun. I opened fire from range of 150 yards with a 2 second cannon and M/G from dead astern, cannon ceased to function. E/A started to climb, caught him at 24,000 feet, and gave a 3 second burst with M/G only as cannon ceased to function, from range of 100 yards dead astern, saw strikes in tail and trailing edge of wing on port side. E/A flipped over and spun away. This F.W.190 claimed as damaged by P/O Westhaver. Blue 4 F/S A.L. Sinclair reports: saw 4 F.W.190's at 18,000 feet dove with section and picked out a F.W.190 below which was trailing section, opened fire from range of 300 yards, closing to 250 yards giving a 5 second burst cannon and M/G from dead astern. E/A slide off to right and down. No claim made. Yellow 1 F/L J Whitham reports: 5 miles off coast over Dieppe we were at 15,000 feet. Saw 2 F.W.190 below, took section down. Yellow 3 and 4 out corner, I overshot and climbed into sun, followed by Yellow 2. Yellow 3 and 4 continued after F.W.190. Yellow 2 Sgt M. Buckley failed to climb steeply enough and I saw 2 F.W.190's attack him. I called him to break, he did a gentle weave and F.F. overshot him. I circled above waiting for him to catch up and saw 2 more F.W.190's attack him and warned him to break again. He did not take violent enough evasive action. I dove on rear F.F.190 attacking Yellow 2 but E/A had fired on Yellow 2. He went down and crashed into sea without bailing out. We were then at 4,000 feet. I went into a steep right turn using full top rudder and throttle, and the two F.W.190's turned as tightly as I did and then they broke and I pounced on the tail of one F.W.190 and opened fire from range of 50 yards cannon and M/G from port quarter to dead astern giving E/A a 7 second burst, saw strikes all down port side and wings, and into engine, also cannon flashes, pieces came off fuselage and engine poured black smoke. E/A went into shallow dive towards sea, two miles off shore. This E/A claimed as probably destroyed by F/L Whitham. I then climbed up sun to 25,000 feet and met Blue Section reporting 6 E/A below at 12 o'clock, led them into attack. In my dive I ran past a F.W>190 and gave 3 second burst with cannon and M./G from closing to within 10 yards, almost colliding with E/A. Saw many strikes along fuselage. This F.W.190 claimed as damaged by F/L J Whitham. Yellow 3 F/S Reesor reports: In combat with F.W.190 over Dieppe, Yellow 2 and 4 attacked 2 F.W.190's. Yellow 3 gave several bursts cannon and M/G from astern at range 500 yards but makes no claim. He saw Yellow 4 S/P L. Armstrong get hit and go into spin. Pilot baled out and was seen to get into dinghy. Yellow 3 came down 1os and circled S/P Armstrong when he appeared to be uninjured as he waved. He was in the water about 8 miles off the coast at Dieppel

Sauadron returned to base at 24:50 hours. Those who took part in this action were:

Blue

  • 1. P/O G. Murray
  • 2. P/O H Westhaver
  • 3. F/S E Gimbel
  • 4. F/S A Sinclair

Red

  1. S/L Hodson
  2. P/O T. Ibbotson

Yellow

F/L J Whitham

F/S M.Buckley

F/S R. Reesor

S/P L Armstrong

Enemy Casualties:

1 F.W.190 Probably destroyed - F/L J.Whitham

1 F.W.190 Damaged - F/L J Whitham

2 F.W.190 Probably destroyed - P/O G. Murray

3 F.W.190 Damaged - P/O G. Murray

1 F.W. 190 Damaged - P/O H. Westhaver

Our Casualties:

1 Spitfire IX - S/P M. Buckley - Missing

1 Spitfire IX - S/P L. Armstrong - Missing

3rd Sortie 16:50 hours

Action:  S/L Hodson reports squadron was airborne at 16:50 hours with 10 a/c set course for Beachy Head and patrolled over convoy for 30 minutes. No E/A were encountered. We saw first ships of convoy nearing English Coast and last ships about 30 miles off.  All our aircraft landed undamaged at 18"05 hours.

Aircraft Type and Number

SPITFIRE                   BR628                     F/O  J. Whitham

    "                          BR981                     S/P  J. A. Chapin

    "                          BS119                     P/O  D.R. Morrison

    "                          BS177                     F/S  R.D. Reesor

    "                          BR986                     F/S  S.C. Cosburn

    "                          BS107                     S/P  L.J. Armstrong

    "                          BS172                     S/L  K.L.B. Hodson

    "                          BS120                     F/S B.M. Zobell

    "                          BR982                     F/L  H.J. Merritt

    "                          BR623                     P/O  M.A. Westhaver

    "                          BS157                     P/O  G.B. Murray

    "                          BS176                     F/S  E.L. Gimbel

    "                          BS180                     F/S  A.L. Sinclair

    "                          BS104                     P/O  T.M. Ibbotson

    "                          BR981                     S/P  J.A. Chapin

    "                          BS157                     S/P M.H. Buckley

    "                          BS177                     F/S  R.D. Reesor

 

 

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by moskit on Monday, March 31, 2008 1:57 PM

Count me in for a 104 to match a print I have up in my office. My first attempt at a GB.

Cheers

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 1:57 PM
 DaveCS wrote:

Poppie,

I'm already starting a conversion of the old Airfix Anson MK 1 to a MK 5 - do you think this will be allowed? Seeing as how I've just started it (sanding, filling but haven't glued any parts together as of yet).

Cheers
Dave

We can bend a lot of corners by saying that there were undoubtedly guys flying the Mk V that started flying the Mk I and their 'aura' from RCAF days lingered on like a fine cologne.

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 3:28 PM

Thanks Poppie,

I noted that you've broken it down to bombers and fighters in the listing and I guess the reason I asked RE: Anson MK V is because, well, the trainers were there too in the RCAF :)  (plus the Anson MK5 was built in Canada *yay*)

Thanks again for organizing this!

Cheers,
Dave

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 3:39 PM

No problem Dave,

The 'fighters/bombers' language was poorly choosen.  I was hoping to encourage dual builds given the length of this GB. I forget now, but, what was the 'civilian' plane that the air force used to ship guys about in comfort? The army (yes, I served in all 3 services) shipped me out to Shilo Manitoba in 1961 and I couldn't believe that I was flying in an armed forces aircraft - luxury!!!! Wahoo. For the life of me I can't remember what they used to transport civilians back then.  Anyway, when I remember, it would be included as well - anything that carried the RCAF roundel is in.

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 3:48 PM
 Poppie wrote:

No problem Dave,

The 'fighters/bombers' language was poorly choosen.  I was hoping to encourage dual builds given the length of this GB. I forget now, but, what was the 'civilian' plane that the air force used to ship guys about in comfort? The army (yes, I served in all 3 services) shipped me out to Shilo Manitoba in 1961 and I couldn't believe that I was flying in an armed forces aircraft - luxury!!!! Wahoo. For the life of me I can't remember what they used to transport civilians back then.  Anyway, when I remember, it would be included as well - anything that carried the RCAF roundel is in.

hehe.. umm.. lemme see.. not the Northstar (aka C-5 / DC-4)? or the DeHavilland Comet? Big Smile [:D]

I'm glad you're including transports etc. - mmm.. this is a long enough group build that I might decide to tackle the soon to be released Revell Germany 1/144 C-17... there's a couple of them sitting out at Trenton. It would be neat to organize some research trips for those of us in the Ontario area for photos and such - we have so much available to us within a 2 hour drive either way.

Cheers,
Dave

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 4:02 PM

FIELD TRIPS:

That's one of the ideas that I've got tucked away in the back of my head. Glad to see we think alike.  I'm 10 minutes away from the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum and would gladly host a trip.

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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  • From: Hamilton, Ontario
Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 4:13 PM

Hey Summit,

If your looking for Sqn's that flew the Tiger Moth, I think you'll have better luck if you look at the Elementary Flight Training Schools (EFTS) - they all had Tiggers.  Here's a list of the bases that had them:

British Commonwealth Air Training Plan

No. 1 EFTS - Malton, Ontario
No. 2 EFTS - Thunder Bay, Ontario
No. 3 EFTS - London, Ontario
No. 4 EFTS - Windsor Mills, Quebec
No. 5 EFTS - Lethbridge, Alberta
No. 5 EFTS - High River, Alberta
No. 6 EFTS - Prince Alberta, Saskatchewan
No. 7 EFTS - Windsor, Ontario
No. 8 EFTS - Vancouver, British Columbia
No. 8 EFTS - Boundary Bay, British Columbia
No. 9 EFTS - St. Catherines, Ontario
No. 10 EFTS - Mount Hope, Ontario
No. 10 EFTS - Pendleton, Ontario
No. 11 EFTS - Cap-de-la-Madeleine, Quebec
No. 12 EFTS - Goderich, Ontario
No. 13 EFTS - St. Eugene, Ontario
No. 14 EFTS - Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
No. 15 EFTS - Regina, Saskatchewan
No. 16 EFTS - Edmonton, Alberta
No. 17 EFTS - Sidney, Nova Scotia
No. 18 EFTS - Boundary Bay, British Columbia
No. 19 EFTS - Virden, Manitoba
No. 20 EFTS - Oshawa, Ontario
No. 21 EFTS - Chatham, New Brunswick
No. 22 EFTS - Ancienne Lorette, Quebec
No. 23 EFTS - Davidson, Saskatchewan
No. 23 EFTS - Yorkton, Saskatchewan
No. 24 EFTS - Abbotsford, British Columbia
No. 25 EFTS - Assiniboia, Saskatchewan
No. 26 EFTS - Neepawa, Manitoba
No. 31 EFTS - DeWinton, Alberta
No. 32 EFTS - Bowden, Alberta
No. 33 EFTS - Caron, Saskatchewan
No. 34 EFTS - Assiniboia, Saskatchewan
No. 35 EFTS - Neepawa, Manitoba
No. 36 EFTS - Pearce, Alberta

Hope this gives you a lead or two, or three.  Google them by #EFTS and you'll find a few sites.  Some even have pictures!  Poppie

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
  • Member since
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  • From: Shakopee, MN
Posted by Reload on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:50 PM

 Poppie wrote:
 shipped me out to Shilo Manitoba

Now home to 2nd Bat PPCLI.....much to the dismay of some.

 

Poppie - I have figured it out. I am for sure doing a Westland Lysander, and I have done alot of Spits latley so I want to go woth something different.  

 A PBY 5A CANSO flown by

24 Jun 44: Consolidated Canso A, RCAF s/n 9754, aircraft "P" of No. 162 (Bomber Reconnaissance) Squadron operating from Wick, Scotland with Flight Lieutenant D.E. Hornell and crew, sank U-1225 at 63-00N 00-50W.

David Ernest Hornell, VC

He was 34 years old, and a Flight Lieutenant in No. 162 Squadron RCAF during the Second World War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.

On 24 June 1944 on sea patrol near the Faroes in the North Atlantic, Flight Lieutenant Hornell's twin-engined amphibian aircraft was attacked and badly damaged by an enemy German U-boat; nevertheless he succeeded in sinking it and then with superhuman effort managed to bring his aircraft down on the heavy swell, blazing furiously. There was only one serviceable dinghy which could not hold all the crew so they took it in turns in the water. By the time the survivors were rescued after 21 hours, Flight Lieutenant Hornell was blinded and weak from exposure and cold. He died shortly after being picked up and was awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross.

 

I am trying to email the 400Sqd to see if they can help me with my search on the Lysander.

Brent

PS - I still can't get on the RCAF web site..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

1 VP - PPCLI 89-92 A Coy RED DEVILS

 I mean, I had fast motor cars and fast motor bikes, and when I wasn't crashing airplanes, I was crashing motor bikes. It's all part of the game. — Sir Harry Broadhurst, RAF, 12 victories WWII

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Inland Northwest
Posted by Summit on Monday, March 31, 2008 6:03 PM
Wow ! Thanks Poppie for the leads, that is some head start. Thumbs Up [tup] Just for grins I think I will start with the closest from where I live and work from there.
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Hamilton, Ontario
Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 6:20 PM

Brent,

The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_canso.html which just happens to be about 10 minutes away from my front door just happens to have a PBY dedicated to Hornell in its holdings. Check out this URL for more info on it and be sure to 'click' the 'photos' button as they have 15 gorgeous pictures of PBY's, and CWH's PBY in particular, that are worth looking at.

Now, for a small nominal fee, I'd be willing to peddle my butt up to Mt Hope and garner any and all photos that you might like for this build.  Just let me know. I'm up there on a regular basis as that's where the local IPMS chapter holds its monthly meet.  I'm going to post a list of CWH's holdings for the guys and anyone can ask me to get photos and such for them.

Maybe you can get on the RCAF site by using this URL http://www.rcaf.com and going direct from here.  Poppie

 

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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    February 2008
  • From: Toronto, Canada
Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 6:46 PM

 Poppie wrote:
Now, for a small nominal fee, I'd be willing to peddle my butt up to Mt Hope and garner any and all photos that you might like for this build.  Just let me know. I'm up there on a regular basis as that's where the local IPMS chapter holds its monthly meet.  I'm going to post a list of CWH's holdings for the guys and anyone can ask me to get photos and such for them.

Poppie,

I'd go with you for no extra charge Big Smile [:D] - if it wasn't for some family things to take care of this past weekend, I was about to go up to Mt Hope to snap away at the Anson.  I'd be happy to shoot as many aircraft as people would like info on - I think my 200mm lens with a 1.4x lens extender should do the trick (I am a wedding photographer on weekends during the "wedding months")

For example; here's a shot of the fuselage (mainly) of the Tiger Moth @ the CWH (sampled down for web viewing):

Cheers,
Dave

  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Hamilton, Ontario
Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 6:47 PM
 moskit wrote:

Count me in for a 104 to match a print I have up in my office. My first attempt at a GB.

Cheers

Hey Moskit,

Welcome aboard.  Seeing as this is your first attempt at a GB, why not try something simple, like this 104   thats parked up the street from me at Canadian Warplane Heritage.  This is the 'write up':

"CF-104 bearing number 104758 served with 439 Sabre Toothed Tiger Squadron, and is painted in the colors of one of several aircraft during the 439's stay in Europe. The distinctive yellow and black (tiger) stripes represent the squadron's entry into the NATO "Tiger Meet."

We just want to see how good you are with an airbrush. eh eh ehe  ehaw ha

Now is this a challenge or is this a challenge?

I couldn't do this one with a Crayola Crayon on Newsprint!  Just imagine yourself flying into battle dressed in this.  Or were you thinking more of something like this:

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Hamilton, Ontario
Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:07 PM
 DaveCS wrote:

 I'd be happy to shoot as many aircraft as people would like info on - I think my 200mm lens with a 1.4x lens extender should do the trick (I am a wedding photographer on weekends during the "wedding months")

For example; here's a shot of the fuselage (mainly) of the Tiger Moth @ the CWH (sampled down for web viewing):

Cheers,
Dave

David my son, methinks you have just volunteered your free weekends away. That is one beautiful shot.  I parked my 200mm when I went digital - just lazy and cheap.

Hey, maybe we can strike up a small business deal.  I just "happen" to be an ordained priest who finds himself with extra work during "wedding season".  The rest of the year I just do funerals - nobody talks back. Course, there's no repeat business either.

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Toronto, Canada
Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:23 PM
 Poppie wrote:
David my son, methinks you have just volunteered your free weekends away. That is one beautiful shot.  I parked my 200mm when I went digital - just lazy and cheap.

Hey, maybe we can strike up a small business deal.  I just "happen" to be an ordained priest who finds himself with extra work during "wedding season".  The rest of the year I just do funerals - nobody talks back. Course, there's no repeat business either.

*LOL* (no repeat business.. too true!!) Poppie.. you'd be surprised how cordial I am to all officiants - but I can imagine because I've met some photographers that are, well, less than cordial Big Smile [:D]

Extra work huh.. you don't say ! Smile [:)]

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm hoping to have some free time in a couple weekends and I plan on getting up to Mt Hope - hopefully by then we'll have enough interest in folks requiring some shots of the great aircraft they have up there (including the Mynarski Lancaster). I'll be in touch and we can go from there!!

Cheers,
Dave

  • Member since
    August 2007
  • From: Shakopee, MN
Posted by Reload on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:23 PM
 Poppie wrote:

Brent,

The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_canso.html which just happens to be about 10 minutes away from my front door just happens to have a PBY dedicated to Hornell in its holdings. Check out this URL for more info on it and be sure to 'click' the 'photos' button as they have 15 gorgeous pictures of PBY's, and CWH's PBY in particular, that are worth looking at.

Now, for a small nominal fee, I'd be willing to peddle my butt up to Mt Hope and garner any and all photos that you might like for this build.  Just let me know. I'm up there on a regular basis as that's where the local IPMS chapter holds its monthly meet.  I'm going to post a list of CWH's holdings for the guys and anyone can ask me to get photos and such for them.

Maybe you can get on the RCAF site by using this URL http://www.rcaf.com and going direct from here.  Poppie

Thanks for the link Poppie. From what I have read, that PBY is actually done in the paint shceme Hornell's was, acording to a web page I was reading. I will see what I can find through your links, but if you are itching for some camera time.......I of course I wouldn't complain......LOL

Brent

 

1 VP - PPCLI 89-92 A Coy RED DEVILS

 I mean, I had fast motor cars and fast motor bikes, and when I wasn't crashing airplanes, I was crashing motor bikes. It's all part of the game. — Sir Harry Broadhurst, RAF, 12 victories WWII

 

  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Hamilton, Ontario
Posted by Poppie on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:32 PM

CANADIAN WARPLANE HERITAGE MUSEUM:

Hey all you lucky RCAF GB'ers.  Dave has just volunteered to get us some photos of CWHM aircraft - didn't you Dave.  Dave?  You there Dave? Oh dear..........

Anyway, Dave and I both live close, (I'm very close) to CWHM and able to get photos for anyone who may want them. I've compiled a list of CWHM holdings, most are flyable, some are static - the Hurricane is a fiberglass shell only - we lost the original in a fire a few years ago, but if I can help with a photo or two, or if you speak real nice to Dave, (who just 'happens to be' a professional photographer) between us we should be able to get you what you want.  Here's the Warplane URL  http://www.warplane.com/index.html and here is a list of their holdings:

Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum

Fighters

  • Fairey Firefly Mk 5
  • Supermarine Spitfire Mk XVI
  • Hawker Hurricane (Shell Only)
  • Hawker Sea Fury

Bombers

  • Avro Lancaster
  • Bristol Bolingbroke
  • North American B25-J Mitchell
  • Consolidated PBY 5A Canso

Trainer & Transport

  • Avro Anson IV
  • Beech D18S Expeditor
  • Cessna T50 Crane
  • Douglas DC-3 Dakota
  • Grumman G-44A Widgeon

Army Co-operation

  • Westland Lysander III
  • Auster Beagle

Trainer Single Engine

  • Boeing Stearman PT-27 Kaydet
  • deHavilland DHC-1 Chipmunk
  • deHavilland 82C Tiger Moth
  • Fairchild PT-26B Cornell
  • Fleet Finch
  • Fleet 21K
  • Fleet 60K Fort
  • North American Harvard IV
  • North American NA-64 Yale

Fighter Jets

  • Canadair CF-104 Starfighter
  • Lockheed T-33 Silver Star
  • deHavilland Vampire
  • Lockheed CF-104D Starfighter

If we can be of any help, give us a shout.  Poppie

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
  • Member since
    August 2007
  • From: Shakopee, MN
Posted by Reload on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:44 PM

I found a picture of the CWH Lysander.

THis is the scheme I am going to do as well. I LIKE IT!!

Brent

1 VP - PPCLI 89-92 A Coy RED DEVILS

 I mean, I had fast motor cars and fast motor bikes, and when I wasn't crashing airplanes, I was crashing motor bikes. It's all part of the game. — Sir Harry Broadhurst, RAF, 12 victories WWII

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Toronto, Canada
Posted by DaveCS on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:53 PM

Brent,

If you're looking at the Lysander; I'd like to get some shots for myself - I've got the Airfix kit that I'm going to do as a III (it's a MK II kit) and there is, to the best of my knowledge, no MK III kit in 1/72 so I'd love to get some photos to add to the build. I'll be sure to snap many when I get out there - I'm in Toronto so it's only about an hour away from my place - and I've got lots of memory for my 5D's (24 GB).

Cheers,
Dave

  • Member since
    August 2007
  • From: Shakopee, MN
Posted by Reload on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:58 PM
 DaveCS wrote:

Brent,

If you're looking at the Lysander; I'd like to get some shots for myself - I've got the Airfix kit that I'm going to do as a III (it's a MK II kit) and there is, to the best of my knowledge, no MK III kit in 1/72 so I'd love to get some photos to add to the build. I'll be sure to snap many when I get out there - I'm in Toronto so it's only about an hour away from my place - and I've got lots of memory for my 5D's (24 GB).

Cheers,
Dave

Dave, I think I found the pic above. When you are there, I would love any pictures that you take. Especialy some nice head on shots of the motor, and of the serial numbers under the wings........those should be interesting to paint....Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Poppie - I won't be adding any store bought details, but can we scratchbuild our own? Such as wiring harnes and the like?

I am going to be doing 1/48 for both my models Westland Lysander in CHW colors, and a PBY -5A in  Hornell's markings. Please update in honor role.

Thanks Awfully O'l Chap

1 VP - PPCLI 89-92 A Coy RED DEVILS

 I mean, I had fast motor cars and fast motor bikes, and when I wasn't crashing airplanes, I was crashing motor bikes. It's all part of the game. — Sir Harry Broadhurst, RAF, 12 victories WWII

 

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