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US Army Air Corps GB - Deadline extended again to June 30, 2009

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US Army Air Corps GB - Deadline extended again to June 30, 2009
Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:21 PM

Hello all! 

The US Army Air Corps was the air arm of the United States Army from 1924 - 1948, when the United States Air Force officially came into existence.  This group build will be for any aircraft that flew for the USAAC during the time period of 1924 - 1948.  Rules will be simple:

1.  Must have flown with USAAC units from 1924 - 1948.

2.  Any scale is allowed.

3.  Simple OOB build or add to your build with scratch-built or after-market goodies.  Your choice

4.  Multiple entries welcome.

5.  Entries from other group builds are welcome so long as they fit within the rules here.

6.  Time frame: September 1, 2008 through May 8, 2009 (the beginning of war in Europe to VE Day).  Can join at any time.  DEADLINE EXTENDED TO JUNE 30, 2009

7.  And finally, have fun!

For a list of aircraft of the USAAC, visit this site:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_of_the_United_States  There are a lot of aircraft on this site that will not qualify for this GB. 

This is the badge I came up with.  If anyone has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions.

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the badge that Darth Trader created

Airman Kit Status
Jeffrey (new1) Revell 1/48 P-40B Tiger Shark Not started
IL2windhawk AmTech 1/48 P-40F 57th FS, 64th FS Mediterranean theater of operations Completed
Hans von Hammer Monogram 1/48 B-24J Liberator Scratched
  Pro-Modeler 1/48 A-26B Invader Scratched
  Monogram 1/48 SBD modified as A-24 Banshee (tentative) Not started
Aaron (sfcmac) Academy 1/48 P-36A Hawk Completed
Charles (Mucker) Hasegawa 1/48 P-51D Mustange Completed
lewbud Revell 1/72 P-26 Peashooter Not started
Matt (USArmyFAO) Monogram 1/48 P-61 Black Widow Not started
Rob (viper_mp) Academy 1/48 P-36A Hawk Completed
arki30 Hasegawa 1/48 P-38J Lightning Started
bspeed Hobbycraft 1/72 Beech C-45 Expeditor Not started
John (tempestjohnny) Academy 1/72 P-51D Mustang Completed
WarHammer Tamiya 1/72 P-47D Razorback Not started
BigSmitty AMT/ERTL 1/48 A-20G Havoc Scratched
  Tamiya 1/72 P-47D Razorback "Sleepy Time Gal" 5th AF, 58th FG Completed
Darth Trader Revell 1/48 P-38J Lightning Completed
  Hasegawa 1/48 P-40N Warhawk Completed
  Academy 1/48 P-47N Thunderbolt Possible
FeldMarSchall Model Monogram 1/48 B-17G Flying Fortress Started
Steven (Aggieman) Academy 1/48 P-36A Hawk Completed

The Squadron:

IL2Windhawk P-40F

Big Smitty P-47D

sfcmac P-36A

Darth Trader P-38J

Darth Trader P-40N

viper_mp P-36A

arki30 P-38J

Aggieman P-36A

Mucker P-51D

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Posted by arki30 on Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:06 PM
Uh, can we assume you mean May of 2009?  Otherwise the build time frame might be hard to achieve! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:54 AM
Ooops!  Further proof of the need to proof-read before releasing written work.  Thanks for the catch, yes, I did intend for 2009 and did not assume that everyone here has access to a Delorean with a flux capacitor.Wink [;)]
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Posted by new1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:22 AM

not sure how or where to do this... but i would like to join

i have the 1/48 Revell P-40B tiger shark

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Posted by IL2windhawk on Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:27 AM

My next build will be a P-40F, serving with the 57th FG in Africa.   I'd love to enter this GB with this kit, but as I understand it: this P-40F flew for the USAAF.   Is that somehow part of the USAAC?  Confused Confused [%-)]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:54 AM

 

I'd love to enter this GB with this kit, but as I understand it: this P-40F flew for the USAAF.   Is that somehow part of the USAAC? 

Actually, the US Army Air Corps became the US Army Air Forces in 1941.

http://www.aafha.org/aaf_or_aircorps.html

U.S. Army personnel have traditionally been assigned to branches: Infantry, Artillery, Air Corps, Quartermaster Corps, Corps of Engineers, etc. Branches were generally responsible for training and materiel, although their roles changed from time to time. Operational commands, such as combat divisions and corps, integrated personnel from multiple branches; e.g., Infantry, Artillery, Quartermaster and so on.
 

The Army Air Forces (AAF) came into being on June 20, 1941, six months before Pearl Harbor. As war approached, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall saw the need for a stronger role for Army aviation. Consequently they created the Army Air Forces with General H. H. (Hap) Arnold as its head. 

Army Air Forces attained quasi autonomy in March 1942, a few months after the we entered the war. Acting under authority of the War Powers Act, Secretary Stimson approved a major War Department reorganization. Army Air Forces and Army Ground Forces were made co-equal commands. Significantly, as Commanding General of the AAF, General Arnold became a member of the WW II Joint Chiefs of Staff along with the Army Chief of Staff (General Marshall), the Chief of Naval Operations (Admiral Ernest J. King), and President Roosevelt's principal military adviser (Admiral William D. Leahy).

The AAF expanded rapidly. It initially had two subordinate organizations, the Air Corps for training and materiel and Air Force Combat Command (replacing GHQ Air Force) for operational forces. As the wartime build-up proceeded, more commands were added -- Flying Training Command, Technical Training Command, Ferrying Command, the numbered air forces and so on. 

In the course of wartime expansion and reorganization, the Air Corps ceased to be an operating organization. All elements of Army aviation were merged into the Army Air Forces. Although the Air Corps still legally existed as an Army branch, the position of Chief of the Air Corps was left vacant, and the Office of the Chief of the Air Corps was dissolved. 

The Army Air Forces thus replaced the Air Corps as the Army aviation arm and -- for practical purposes -- became an autonomous service. All World War II Army aviation training and combat units were in the AAF. About 2.4 million men and women served in the AAF. Around 600,000 of these were members of other branches, such as Engineers, Ordnance and Quartermaster. (The official history published after the war is entitled The Army Air Forces in World War II.)

World War II Air Corps personnel had a strong sentimental attachment to their branch. The Air Corps had an aura about it that seemed to set it apart from other Army branches. Now, sixty years later, many WW II servicemen still proudly identify themselves as veterans of the Air Corps. However -- although the Air Corps was their branch -- they actually served and fought in the Army Air Forces! 

In honoring Army aviation in WW II, the most appropriate and inclusive identification is Army Air Forces.

Bottom line is that if it's an Army bird, it's a go...

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:53 PM

Thank you for the clarification, Colonel.

For purposes of this group build, USAAC = USAAF.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:02 PM
Put me down for a Pro Modeler 1/48th A-26B, Aggieman... Tentative Monogram 1/48th SBD modified to an A-24 Banshee may follow...

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Posted by mucker on Monday, July 28, 2008 11:55 AM

Steven:

I'm pretty sure my 1/48 Academy P-47N would fit the bill. I'd like to enter it into the GB if it does.

Charles

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Posted by Aggieman on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:13 PM

Charles,

Yes, that P-47N fits the bill.  Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

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Posted by lewbud on Monday, July 28, 2008 6:49 PM

Steven,

Would like to join, but have few irons in the fire.  Perhaps something from the interwar period will let you know when I know.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by lewbud on Monday, July 28, 2008 7:00 PM
 lewbud wrote:

Steven,

Would like to join, but have few irons in the fire.  Perhaps something from the interwar period will let you know when I know.

Ok, I know.  Revell 1/72 P-26.

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Posted by Aggieman on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:29 PM

Today I've finally decided on my build for this GB ... the 1/48 Academy P-36 Hawk.  Sure it's the big brother of the P-40, of which I've built 5 recently, but it's not a P-40!  It'll be a Pearl Harbor defender after I research the -36s that were assigned to USAAC squadrons on Pearl Harbor.  And I'll probably want to get a set of aftermarket decals as I've long heard that the Academy decals leave a lot to be desired.

I'm also leaving open the possibility of adding a second and perhaps third build for this GB, but those will only come as time allows.

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Posted by IL2windhawk on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:40 AM

Excellent.  I've always like the P-36.
Did any P-36s get airborne during the melee of Pearl Harbor?

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Posted by arki30 on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 7:56 AM
Aggieman, I'm in with a 1/48 Hasegawa P-38J.  It's been in my stash for a very long time and needs to get built!

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Posted by USArmyFAO on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:33 AM
If at all possible I have the Revell P-61 I would like to enter...

Cheers, Matt

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 7:01 PM
 IL2windhawk wrote:

Excellent.  I've always like the P-36.
Did any P-36s get airborne during the melee of Pearl Harbor?

Wiki says five P-36As got airborne out of 39, with a loss of one, and two Zero kills...  This ain't Army Air Force, but the P-36 was credited with Wildcat kills as well.  Vichy French P-36s scored on the US Navy during the opening of Operation Torch in N. Africa... 

http://www.aviationarthangar.com/fel02.html

 

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Posted by arki30 on Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:47 PM
Little more than a week before the start of this GB. Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:09 PM

Anybody know a good match for the gloss olive drab color used on the P-26 in the interwar period?

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:02 AM

Buddy, sorry but I don't have an answer to your question.  Still reeling over the loss last night I witnessed first hand in College Station.  Most displeased.

 

In other news, tomorrow is the first of September.  For everyone in this group build, it's time to start!  At least for those of us who are ready.  I for one am in the middle of two other group builds so my launch point will be delayed some.

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:22 PM
 Aggieman wrote:

Buddy, sorry but I don't have an answer to your question.  Still reeling over the loss last night I witnessed first hand in College Station.  Most displeased.

 

In other news, tomorrow is the first of September.  For everyone in this group build, it's time to start!  At least for those of us who are ready.  I for one am in the middle of two other group builds so my launch point will be delayed some.

Steven,

That's ok, gonna meet up with some guys after work that should have the answer if they're still sober.  Got to go to Kyle Field when I was at UH (and there was still a SWC) about 20+ years ago, and A&M probably won.  While yall won the game, you would have lost the mascot fight.  At that time UH still had a live cougar as a mascot, and they were walking Shasta out on her chains.  As they passed Reville, the brave but possibly stupid, definitely suicidal dog made a run at Shasta.  As Reville's handlers hurriedly scooped he/she/it up, Shasta sat down with look on her face that either said, I haven't had lunch YET!  or Oh look a Shasta snack.  They had to get her up on her wagon and bring her down to our end of the field. 

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Aggieman on Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:44 PM

That's a great story!  Sounds like the good old SWC, I really liked that conference.  Not to say that the Big 12 is a bunch of chumps but it was always good to be able to run one's mouth against neighbors who might have been UH, TCU, or Rice grads rather than the most unlikely situation where I might be neighbors with an Iowa State grad.

And yes, Shasta would have won that "duel".

There are lots of great stories surrounding Texas A&M in the SWC, most notably steer-napping Texas' steer and branding him with the score of the recent game, 13-0; and sips (Texas people) re-branding him "Bevo".

Or the MOB (Rice Marching Owl Band) doing a routine that made fun of Reveille and a bunch of the Corps of Cadets waiting after the game to pay back the MOB.

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Posted by arki30 on Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:15 PM
Yep, I'm in the same boat with several builds already in progress.  But I'll start this likely by the end of the month.

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:15 PM
 Aggieman wrote:

That's a great story!  Sounds like the good old SWC, I really liked that conference.  Not to say that the Big 12 is a bunch of chumps but it was always good to be able to run one's mouth against neighbors who might have been UH, TCU, or Rice grads rather than the most unlikely situation where I might be neighbors with an Iowa State grad.

And yes, Shasta would have won that "duel".

There are lots of great stories surrounding Texas A&M in the SWC, most notably steer-napping Texas' steer and branding him with the score of the recent game, 13-0; and sips (Texas people) re-branding him "Bevo".

Or the MOB (Rice Marching Owl Band) doing a routine that made fun of Reveille and a bunch of the Corps of Cadets waiting after the game to pay back the MOB.

The MOB was definitely one to watch out for.  At one time the Aggie band used whistles to signal formation changes in their halftime show, the MOB figured that out and the next time they met chaos was the order of the day for the Aggie Band.  Way before my time, but I would have loved to have seen it.  As a visitor, going to a game at Kyle field is a somewhat intimidating experience, especially when you get there and they've allotted two sections of seating (that includes space for the band) in a corner of the endzone.  We used to play our home games at the Astrodome, and it was amazing to look up and whenever A&M visited to see them standing and swaying whenever A&M scored.

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Posted by viper_mp on Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:29 PM
Hey, sounds like a great idea for a GB.  I wish I hadnt just finished my 1/72 PT-19 [as well as the 1:1 PT-19].  Anyway, if its good, put me down for the Academy 1/48 P-36A Hawk.  I may add to that later. 

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1/48 AMTech P-40F (USAAC GB)
Posted by IL2windhawk on Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:01 PM

Well fellas, it looks like I have the honor of posting the first progress photos.  I expect to finish my kit in a rather short time-frame, as it must be finished by the first week of October.  This build will be my annual model-airplane gift for Grandfather, who was a career pilot in the USAAF / USAF.  The majority of his WW2 flight hours were logged in the P-40F.



This AMTech kit is a rehash of the older AMT kit, with a big resin nose replacement that is more accurate.  I also bought a resin cockpit by True Details.  Strangely, it did not come with a resin instrument panel.  But that's OK, because I am building a closed cockpit and the kit panel is decent.  I also purchased a set of resin control surfaces that are much better-looking than those molded into the wings/tails.

There are some photos of the 57thFG, 64FS at the following link:
http://www.web-birds.com/12th/57/57th.htm

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Posted by Aggieman on Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:41 PM

Looks like you're off to a real good start on that P-40.  (I'm still suffering from P-40 overload as I completed 5 concurrent builds for the P-40 GB earlier this year, building all 1/48 kits - a couple of Bs, a C, an E and an N).

Rob, welcome to the GB.  I'll get you on the list shortly.

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Posted by arki30 on Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:20 PM

Nice progress IL.  The fit of the resin nose looks good which I'm sure is a relief, unless you had a lot of work to get it to look that way.

I've always liked the AMTech P-40s.  Nice kits at decent price.

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Posted by viper_mp on Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:42 PM

 arki30 wrote:
I've always liked the AMTech P-40s.  Nice kits at decent price.

 

LOL, I have a stash of them,  no boxes though.  Just bag kits and a stack of decals.  and one set of instructions....  [hint- I know where the remaining stockpile is]

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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, September 5, 2008 1:30 PM

Rob:

Do you know what the status is on the resin nose for the F?  I have several, but if it wouldn't get me sideways with the owners of the rights I'd make a mold and cast more.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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