Question--what color is this Jagdpanther?!

jthurston wrote:

dupes wrote:  Mansteins revenge wrote: ...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it... Hmmm...so is no chipping and no rust the new "accurate" weathering? Honestly, I don't know if I've ever seen the paint simply chipping off of a tank. But I still think it looks cool on a model if it's done right.

...I agree; I think more than chipping it is more attractive to model "scuffing"...this same arguement goes on in the Aircraft forum when it comes to the wing roots where pilots entered fighter a/c...my research tends to lean towards the paint being rubbed and scuffed, which discolors the paint (or in extreme cases wears it down to the aluminum), BUT DOES NOT chip it..I think this holds true for armor as well...

dupes wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote: ...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it... Hmmm...so is no chipping and no rust the new "accurate" weathering?

Blasphemy!

dupes wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote: ...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it... Hmmm...so is no chipping and no rust the new "accurate" weathering?

Honestly, I don't know if I've ever seen the paint simply chipping off of a tank. But I still think it looks cool on a model if it's done right.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it...

Hmmm...so is no chipping and no rust the new "accurate" weathering?

That process was called "hand-tinting" and it was very expensive -- not as expensive as the color films then available (and remember -- Gone With the Wind came out five years before this photo was taken, shot in Technocolor), but expensive to the point that you'd have it done for portraits almost exclusively. 

Color photographs existed then, and fade just like this pic shows.   

assuming that you are actually using Photo Shop or Paint Shop Pro, have a look at the histogram (I think you can also bring it up with an imported picture as well). It will tell you everything about every hue that's there.

gary

Im with Manny on this. Theres deffo some red brown around the top.

...Guy

I dropped this in Picture It and did an auto adjust. The top of the saukopf leans very much to green. I'd vote for dunkelgrun over dunkelgelb.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it...

which prooves it has been photoshopped!

This photo demonstrates a lot of the problems with trying to judge "accurate" colors from WW2 color photographs. Tonal shifts from the film/developing process, lighting, dust, etc. are all in play in this one.

It has all the characteristics of a late Jagdpanther in relation to the mantlet and barrel, which means it would've most likely been finished in a basecoat of Olivegrun and the dark yellow added over that along with the possibility of additional red-brown.

FWIW, there haven't been any documented cases of actual vehicles leaving the factory in '45 with the panzergray applied. The order in place for a short period allowed for the use of panzer gray "IF" they had it still on hand "AND" they didn't have sufficient stocks of Olivegrun and/or dark yellow.

Bertman's comment seems to be right on.  The mantel and "saukopf" do seem to be more grey than the color on the hull. 

You might also note the color compared to the GI's presumably olive drab helmet.  The tones are very similar, to my eyes. 

...one thing for sure, I don't see any chipping or rust on it...

 
From what I can see and judging by the surrounding landscape, the dirt /dust on the tracks and the impression that it's been there awhile.... looks like green with a lot of dust. But then again there does't appear to be any dust on top of the mantlet. Second vote is green & DY.

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