A CHALLANGE to all of you Tread heads.

smeagol the vile wrote:

I wasnt trying to knock karl's stuff, he was just one armor guy who made a recent deviation into scifi. I'm also not knocking other scifi stuff, not saying just what I linked is all there is, theres ALOT more, alot of you guys have mentioned some.  I just chose some that I thought would bridge the gap better then others (with the exception of gundam, thats just one of the most popular scifi/mecha subjects)  I thought that Macross would be really good bridge for people who build aircraft to cross, because, there half aircraft.  Ma.k well I thought guys like Manny, specificly, would take an interest in that, being a figure modeler as well.  Its not all those power suits, and some of them show more, or less skin then others (some manny might like, some arent even released yet, that blond figure I want it so bad, though I hate that paint job, what a darned cute smile) There have even been stides made to get either the scifi guys toward scale, or the scale toward scifi by bandai with their Gundam Hard Graph line. (you will recognise ALOT of these from builds going on in the scifi section) Then there are the things I didnt mention that could appeal to others, like this for example.  There are tons of scifi out there that isnt what people normally think when they think scifi kits (starwars, startrek, BSG, etc)  Just to throw a few more out there from my side of the universe    Five Star Stories (sort of the... high end staple of mecha modelers, sort of like... how to put this, dragon kits compared to tamiya, extremly detailed, resin parts, high skill level required kind of kits)   Patlabor (not necesserially as realistic as Ma.k can seem, but mechs are scaled down alot to be more realistic.  The kits, like this one, are in 1/35th scale)     Space Battleship Yamato (for those ship builders who like scifi, eh')     With me giving more examples and what not, if you find yourself interested at all, mosey over here http://www.hlj.com/top/Sci and take alot at what they have, you might be suprised how much is out there.

Against my better judgment, I have decided to post the following:

LOL.

That is all.

Josh

I wasnt trying to knock karl's stuff, he was just one armor guy who made a recent deviation into scifi.

I'm also not knocking other scifi stuff, not saying just what I linked is all there is, theres ALOT more, alot of you guys have mentioned some.  I just chose some that I thought would bridge the gap better then others (with the exception of gundam, thats just one of the most popular scifi/mecha subjects)  I thought that Macross would be really good bridge for people who build aircraft to cross, because, there half aircraft.  Ma.k well I thought guys like Manny, specificly, would take an interest in that, being a figure modeler as well.  Its not all those power suits, and some of them show more, or less skin then others (some manny might like, some arent even released yet, that blond figure I want it so bad, though I hate that paint job, what a darned cute smile)

There have even been stides made to get either the scifi guys toward scale, or the scale toward scifi by bandai with their Gundam Hard Graph line. (you will recognise ALOT of these from builds going on in the scifi section)

Then there are the things I didnt mention that could appeal to others, like this for example.  There are tons of scifi out there that isnt what people normally think when they think scifi kits (starwars, startrek, BSG, etc)  Just to throw a few more out there from my side of the universe 

Five Star Stories (sort of the... high end staple of mecha modelers, sort of like... how to put this, dragon kits compared to tamiya, extremly detailed, resin parts, high skill level required kind of kits)

Patlabor (not necesserially as realistic as Ma.k can seem, but mechs are scaled down alot to be more realistic.  The kits, like this one, are in 1/35th scale)

Space Battleship Yamato (for those ship builders who like scifi, eh')

With me giving more examples and what not, if you find yourself interested at all, mosey over here http://www.hlj.com/top/Sci and take alot at what they have, you might be suprised how much is out there.

Well, at the risk of being misunderstood.......

I limit my "sci-fi" to theoretical armor, like "WW3" or stuff from sci-fi movies. I once did a "landwasserschlepper" for the Fredonian Marines from a Tamiya 25th Chieftain hull and various odds and ends that was kind of neat. In all honesty, I need tracks to enjoy it. No tracks, no fun, for me anyway. There's a really cool hovertruck going on in the IDF GB that's kind of in line with my idea of sci-fi modelling. It really boils down to using my limited modelling time to the max. If I need a break from green stuff, I do some desert tan stuff.

Steven, maybe your choice of words could have been better, like using "enlighten" instead of "educate".  And I really find it hard to pick doog's work.

Model on, Garth.

Rob Gronovius wrote:

Dwight Ta-ala wrote: No Rob, I am not trying to pick a fight. Actually I have watched this thread from the start and tried not to reply but I am just trying to point out that he is not being very careful with his choice of words that is why he is somehow irritating some posters. The way words are used can often give them different meanings. (Take note of the "confused" smiley.)       I beg to differ. He basically says that he wants to educate armor modelers regarding sci-fi models. YOU, yes you, come up with the inflammatory notion that he means that modelers who are not into mecha are uneduated. He never implies that someone is uneducated in the general truncated sense when YOU used his word out of context. Just that he wants to educate you about sci-fi models. BIG difference between calling everyone uneducated (who isn't into mecha) and wanting to educate armor modelers about a subject they may not know much about. The worst you could extrapolate from his statement is that he assumes armor modelers are unaware of sci-fi models. If that notion insults you, you got personal issues.

Wow...my apologies then.

smeagol the vile wrote:

Wow, way to blow things our of porportion doog, it is nice, you did a very nice job on it I never said you didn't, but the majority of the darned thing is white and compared to the work you put into just painting and weathering some of your tanks that you finish in a week or so, its not the same.  I did watch your build with great interest, you did a great job rebuilding thos parts, but the colorscheme is just I dunno, disapointing, after we see what you can do even with just your hetzer tutorials.

I have to stick up for Karl here, I personally know him outside the forum and consider him a friend. Karl did an amazing job with this kit, he turned it from a peice of junk to a HUNK lol, the pictures do not do this kit justice, you HAVE to see it in real life to appreciate it's awesomeness!!! 

I'm not into Sci-fi, but I do like this tank (Goliath) from my son's video game Unreal Tournament.

Also, the warthog from Halo video games

I'd like to see some models come of these vehicles, but am unaware of any.

Dwight Ta-ala wrote:

No Rob, I am not trying to pick a fight. Actually I have watched this thread from the start and tried not to reply but I am just trying to point out that he is not being very careful with his choice of words that is why he is somehow irritating some posters. The way words are used can often give them different meanings. (Take note of the "confused" smiley.)

I beg to differ. He basically says that he wants to educate armor modelers regarding sci-fi models. YOU, yes you, come up with the inflammatory notion that he means that modelers who are not into mecha are uneduated. He never implies that someone is uneducated in the general truncated sense when YOU used his word out of context. Just that he wants to educate you about sci-fi models.

BIG difference between calling everyone uneducated (who isn't into mecha) and wanting to educate armor modelers about a subject they may not know much about. The worst you could extrapolate from his statement is that he assumes armor modelers are unaware of sci-fi models. If that notion insults you, you got personal issues.

I stopped reading this after about the 1st half of page one cuz i knew where it was going to go. And sadly it is still going.

So how long before we can go to the main page and NOT see A CHALLANGE to all of you Tread heads as the most recently updated post.

LETS BUILD SOME ARMOR

Smeagol.

I can see why you started this post.  The guys in sci-fi are, lets say, a bit intense ?

I am primarily an aircraft guy, with about 8 armour kits in the stash and two complete, since I rediscovered modelling in '05.  Group Builds tend to dictate what I build next.

I personally, find the Armour forum more interesting than others, not only because of the quality of the builds, but the characters that hang out here.  Pound for pound, I feel that there is more stimulating conversation, interesting debate and technical information here than in other threads.

Maybe you feel the same way ?  But, being sci-fi to the core, you want to start steering the conversation to sci-fi, so you can have the best of both worlds ?  Hang out with your buddies, but talk about topics that interest you ?  Cant have it both ways.

You tried something, it didnt work.  From what I can see here, even the tread-heads that have an interest in sci-fi arent going to drop everything for a mecha build.  Why not call it a day ?

Rob Gronovius wrote:

Now you're just picking words to start a fight. Read what you quoted. He's trying to educate armor modelers on the few sci-fi models that appear at shows. Although most sci-fi categories in the shows I attend normally have a good number of models, often times more entries than ships or biplanes.

No Rob, I am not trying to pick a fight. Actually I have watched this thread from the start and tried not to reply but I am just trying to point out that he is not being very careful with his choice of words that is why he is somehow irritating some posters. The way words are used can often give them different meanings. (Take note of the "confused" smiley.)

Well yeah, of course it's real.  We can see it on the internets...

Oh, it's real all right.

Note that the officers are positioned as far away as they can be, and both still look very nervous.

It is real.  

Huxy wrote:

Smeagol.. About the signature photo.. I read the cameramans own experience on the internett someplace (Can't find it again, it annoys me!) and that is a costume a German soldiers put on. It was just for the heck of it. I think they found it, or got someone to make it..  There are other pictures of it aswell---Pretty funny

I still think it is a real wolf...notice how they are holding it on either side so it won't run...

Smeagol.. About the signature photo..

I read the cameramans own experience on the internett someplace (Can't find it again, it annoys me!) and that is a costume a German soldiers put on. It was just for the heck of it. I think they found it, or got someone to make it..  There are other pictures of it aswell---Pretty funny

And going over to sci-fi, as some of you may have noticed, I build Warhammer 40.000. Check my signature if you haven't!

I do like it because it gives a sense of realism. Most of the stuffs aren't exagerated, and much do give lines from WWII, WWI, and some modern. Plus, it got a storyline. Games Workshop, ForgeWorld and the Black Library prints a wide range of storybooks, telling stories. most of these are neither exagerated.

I like the Warhammer story. Mainly Warhammer 40K.

Even my dad (A real WWII die-hard) said that "Warhammer isn't really that bad. The models are very well detailed and they do have some sort of authenticy!"

-Lasse

No, I've moved more times in the last 27 years than states you've lived in, and built models don't tend to travel cross country and overseas well. I wish I had hung onto many of the classic kits I built while in college and in my early years in the Army. Kits like the Black Hole's Cygnus, Buck Rogers' Starfighter, Revell Dune kits and the old Entex Message From Space series of fighter craft got junked during moves in the 80s. At least I was beyond the BB gun and firecracker stage.

I remember reading about Ma.K back while I was in college in the early-mid 80s. One of the English Literature courses I took was Science Fiction English. My college (Hofstra University) had one of the larger libraries in the NY metropolitan area and carried both classic and new science fiction material. Way back then, there were some nicer hobby shops that carried all sorts of interesting and unique kits. Having grown up on AMT Star Trek and Aurora's TV show models (Seaview, Flying Sub, Invaders UFO, Spindrift, Voyager), I was interested in the kits as they appeared in the late 80s.

I think the first two kits I built from that series was the Fireball and the Nutrocker. If I were to guess, it would have been in 1985-87, my last couple years in college, but before I entered active duty the summer of 1987.

smeagol the vile wrote:

I supose that its a Yeti manny...

Yeah, or a big, albino wolf...it is sorta scary---more scary to me than the soldiers...

Read what I wrote, I use the word show as in model show, i.e. contest, not show as in TV, film or movie.

I would dare say I built a Ma.K kit long before you were able to use an X-acto knife.

I supose that its a Yeti manny...

As far as the educated thing, im trying to educate, as in teach, inform, help you learn, about something you do not know, see?  

(rob, there not ALL from shows, the Ma.k was designed specificly for models actuially, its sort of odd.)

I noticed there were more scifi then biplanes and ships, but the biplanes and ships were so much nicer.  I blame the fact that the latter two are so darned hard (all the rigging on biplanes and such)

Now you're just picking words to start a fight. Read what you quoted. He's trying to educate armor modelers on the few sci-fi models that appear at shows.

Although most sci-fi categories in the shows I attend normally have a good number of models, often times more entries than ships or biplanes.

smeagol the vile wrote:

Thats all im trying to do, educate you guys on what you probably wont ever see besides that tiny little table at the end of the juding hall with 3 or 4 kits on it.

So you mean that modelers like me who are not (and probably never will be) into mecha are uneducated?