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DML Pz III N w/ Winterketten Blog Complete 09-19-10

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DML Pz III N w/ Winterketten Blog Complete 09-19-10
Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 12:24 PM

I've got a 4 day weekend for the Labor Day holiday and what better way to spend it than "laboring" on a new build! The victim in question is DML's kit # 6606 Pzkpfw III Ausf N w/ Winterketten Leningrad '43 and will be done OOB as a nice little break from the super-detailing I did on the Wespe project.

Here's the kit...more to come at the end of the day when I post the WIP progress. Wink

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, September 3, 2010 1:26 PM

Oh boy, I nearly bought the same kit two days ago during my business trip... no kidding!  The owner wanted $55 for this kit.  So I opted for DML Panzer II Ausf B with interior for only $45.  I try to visit hobby/model shops every time I travel.  It will be fun as usual to follow your work especially the winter tracks...  

Have a 'labor free' weekend! Yes

Andy

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, September 3, 2010 1:39 PM

Andy I was going to give Bill a hard time with this one being a turtle top but since it's right down your alley i'll let him get by with it.Big Smile I'm such a nice guy huhAngel

Go for it Bill

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Posted by jetmodeler on Friday, September 3, 2010 3:36 PM

Yeah! another build from Bill.

Really looking foward to the build.

 

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Posted by hedorah59 on Friday, September 3, 2010 4:06 PM

I recently picked up one of these with plans for a straight OOB build. I will be following along quite closely!

Kirk

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, September 3, 2010 5:10 PM

Should be a good one Bill

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 3, 2010 6:07 PM

Anything w/ winterketten has got my attention...

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Posted by lespauljames on Friday, September 3, 2010 6:30 PM

lovely looking kit,  looking forward to the build, DML are too expensive for me though :P

good luck

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 3, 2010 6:53 PM

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 7:50 PM

I don't know if I can handle the stress of Mike's watchful gaze but will do my best! Stick out tongue Glad to see many of you are interested in this project, so let's get things started.

The build started where it usually does with DML kits, Step 1 deal with the assembly of the road wheels, idlers, sprockets, and return rollers. I didn't follow the step quite 100% since it also calls for the sprockets to be added to the final drive housings and for the idlers to be installed onto their mounts, those elements will be added later. I removed the mold seam on each of the road wheel and return roller halves with a sanding stick prior to their assembly. For the idlers, the kit includes PE inserts to accurately create the rims on the real thing and these inserts were added using liquid glue prior to the idler halves being assembled as directed.


Step 2 begins the work on the lower hull. The hull tub has three prominent stubs on the top edge that need to be removed to avoid problems later on when it's time to mount the fenders. The instructions never indicate this is needed so it's a good thing to take care of at this point vs. waiting until later. This step adds the side escape hatches and their hinges as well as the fender support brackets to both sides.

Step 3 deals primarily with the suspension elements including the torsion bars that are installed on both sides. It's important to insure the bars are aligned properly to avoid having the suspension go out of alignment, so you have to be careful to use the right parts for the respective hull side and make sure that the ends are properly keyed inside the hull to their install points to avoid issues. All of the swing arms were added without problems along with the front and rear shock absorbers and bump stops. The front hull plate, part D11, was also added and it's easy to overlook this if you aren't paying too close attention and are too heavily focused on the suspension process since the step shows it already in place. It's best installed before adding the B13/B14 inserts for the final drive housings to avoid space issues with its fit.

I also went ahead and added the final drive housings and idler mounts to both sides to round out the day's efforts. Even these aren't installed until Step 5, that step also calls for the installation of all the wheels, sprockets, and idlers so it made sense to get it out of the way now.

Day 1 of the 4 day Labor Day weekend has shown some good progress. Let's see what Day 2 brings!

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Friday, September 3, 2010 8:14 PM

Nice work Bill. I'll be following along on this one as usual! Big Smile

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, September 3, 2010 8:26 PM

JEEZUS Bill, you are the MAN!!!  Nate and I had talked about this kit, and your pending build of it, just the other day and here it is.

But, OK, I gotta ask - how do you know all this secret squirrel stuff about all the kits you build?  Like, 'There are three stubs on the hull that need to be removed in step 1, lest you arrive at step 163 and they cause the counter-balancing tortion control device to be fluxated into an oblong and obtuse paradigm.....' Whistling  Do the companies send you 'insider information'?  Do you have 'secret contacts'?  C'mon, man, spill!!!!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 8:58 PM

Thanks Nate, glad to have you on board! Yes

bbrowniii

JEEZUS Bill, you are the MAN!!!  Nate and I had talked about this kit, and your pending build of it, just the other day and here it is.

But, OK, I gotta ask - how do you know all this secret squirrel stuff about all the kits you build?  Like, 'There are three stubs on the hull that need to be removed in step 1, lest you arrive at step 163 and they cause the counter-balancing tortion control device to be fluxated into an oblong and obtuse paradigm.....' Whistling  Do the companies send you 'insider information'?  Do you have 'secret contacts'?  C'mon, man, spill!!!!

Boyd, unfortunately I'm not privileged with any kind of insider info from the manufacturers or secret contacts...if I did I would then have to kill you after you read this post! Propeller I've previously built DML's Pz III N sPzAbt 501 N. Afrika and so know some of the pitfalls that are already in this kit to a certain degree since they are almost identical to each other. That and the combination of looking ahead in the instructions (standard practice with every build I do) and conducting test fits usually help me anticipate where there might be trouble...isn't a guarantee though. Sometimes I run into a problem through direct experience and then I usually do my best to fix it and then relay that in the build log thread so others can avoid the same problem in their builds when the time comes. That's all there is to it really! Big Smile

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, September 3, 2010 9:08 PM

wbill76

 

 

Boyd, unfortunately I'm not privileged with any kind of insider info from the manufacturers or secret contacts...if I did I would then have to kill you after you read this post! Propeller I've previously built DML's Pz III N sPzAbt 501 N. Afrika and so know some of the pitfalls that are already in this kit to a certain degree since they are almost identical to each other. That and the combination of looking ahead in the instructions (standard practice with every build I do) and conducting test fits usually help me anticipate where there might be trouble...isn't a guarantee though. Sometimes I run into a problem through direct experience and then I usually do my best to fix it and then relay that in the build log thread so others can avoid the same problem in their builds when the time comes. That's all there is to it really! Big Smile

Nope.

Sorry Bill, I'm not buying this explanation.  In fact, I think it is pure BS.

But I know the real reason....

 

I think you're a Jedi.....Hmm

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 3, 2010 9:23 PM

Good initial effects......repete over!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 11:36 AM

Boyd, too bad ther isn't a "waving hand" smiley for the forums..."this isn't the model you're looking for". Wink I'm sure Steve (disastermaster) could scare some up for us out of his bountiful supply of smileys though if we asked nicely!

Mike, fully intend to do so today...more to come as the mission unfolds. Wink

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, September 4, 2010 12:30 PM

Should be fun to see a whitewash scheme.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 4, 2010 12:40 PM

More pics!

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 8:29 PM

Eric, I'll try not to disappoint!

MR, hopefully this next update will satisfy your demand! Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 8:30 PM

Progress on Day 2 made great strides and I managed to get quite a bit done. Picking up from yesterday with Step 4, I assembled the rear hull plate and installed the mufflers, tow points, and trailer tow bracket. The trailer tow bracket was a feature added in Sept '42 and the instructions indicate this is an option in the small sub-assembly box and you should use part B29  if you don't want this feature on your vehicle. I used a pin vise to deepen the already hollow exhausts to add to their look. The top four fins/tabs that are parts A6/A5 are a little tricky to fit just right due to the fact that they have a very small contact area on the plate and test fits are crucial with the lower hull tub to get them in the right alignment to avoid problems in Step 6 when the plate is permanently installed into position.

Step 5 calls for all the road wheels and running gear to be installed so that was skipped for now since all that will be added after the hull has been painted.

Step 6 installs the plate from Step 4 and I highly recommend you do this step immediately after Step 4 to avoid possible fit/alignment problems due to the fin alignment I mentioned above. The plate is a snug fit and the fins have to line up perfectly with slots in the hull tub for everything to work out right...and if your fins have set up in the wrong position, it can result in a major headache.

The step also calls for the installation of the rear smoke candle rack in the form of parts B10/11 however if you decide, like me, to mount the turret smoke launchers then the rear rack needs to be omitted. The turret mounted launchers were also a Sept '42 feature so if you go that route you also need to not use part B2 for the angled rear hull overhang plate and use part B28 instead. B2 has the bolts for the rear rack molded on while B28 doesn't...a minor detail but since the kit includes both plates it's possible to maintain that consistency even though the instructions don't indicate any of this as an option.

This step also installs the rear air vent deflectors and the PE mesh screens for those vents. The mesh sits on small raised square tabs so I used CA gel to secure them in place, making sure they were flush to avoid fit problems with B2 or B28. I also needed to use small amounts of putty around the idler mount housings to close up a gap on both sides there, easily done with some Squadron white and a little sanding.

That led to Step 7 which begins work on the fenders starting with the left side fender first. The instruction diagrams incorrectly indicate you should install the small marker lights P2 or A8 but this is an anachronism for the N since those lights weren't installed after June '42 and the fender doesn't actually have the mounts molded there despite what the diagram shows, so just ignore this in the instructions. I installed the Notek light, the fender support brackets, spare wheel mounts, tool box, and rear mud-flaps as instructed. I opted to use the kit-supplied PE part for the rear mud flap latch hook and also added the small PE strip that fits over the air intake cut-out. Since I'm going to be doing this in a whitewash scheme, I left off the fire extinguisher and jack for the time being and will add those along with all the other tools and jack block later.

Step 8 deals with the right side fender and it received similar treatment as the left. Again, the tools were left off until later and I added the antenna tray, opting for the style that had the front foot pointing backwards vs. forward.


Step 9 is a very simple step, it assembles the engine deck hatches and armored vent covers. 


Those are then used in Step 10 to assemble the rear engine deck along with all their hinge points. Those hinge points are small and have 2 contact points to clean up on each so you have to be careful to avoid them getting eaten by the carpet monster. The lifting eyes were also added along with the side intakes and their PE grills. The grills were added using Gator Grip glue around the edges to avoid glue potentially clogging the screens and I pre-bent the small bolt tabs to insure they would sit flush against the deck once installed. I used small amounts of liquid glue and pressure with the tip of a wooden toothpick for those tabs to avoid a potential CA mess.

The step provides the choice of mounting the tow cables in their holders or just the empty holders and I opted for the tow cables in position. The cables were cleaned-up and are only dry-fit now, they will be removed and painted separately and permanently installed later on.

Step 11 is another simple step, this time dealing with the roof of the fighting compartment. The option is provided to install the angled shot deflector, part A24, and since this feature wasn't fully phased out until Oct '42, I decided to add it to my vehicle in keeping with the other Sept '42 features I'd been adding. If you decide not to install it, you need to remove the 4 small mount pins molded into the roof, something the instructions don't indicate to do but is obvious to figure out on your own. The three lifting eyes were also installed to round out the step.

Step 12 deals with the hull glacis plate and installs the front crew access hatches. There are two holes that need to be opened up from the underside to take the base of the Vorpanzer armor in a later step, this was done with a pin vise and micro-drill bit. The armored brake vent housings were also added along with the front headlights. I opted to fit the black out covers vs. the clear lenses also provided as parts M1.

Next up will be the rest of the upper hull and tomorrow may also see work start on the turret, have to see how things go!

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 8:48 PM

You have it in the crosshair now!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by IBuild148 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:15 PM

Bill (Armor Guru) and OOB???

There is something about that sentence that doesn't sound right.Hmm

I say he breaks down by Monday and adds at least 1 AM part either from his stash or buys one.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:28 PM

Once again, Bill, it's so cool to read your blogs and learn all the mistakes in the directions BEFORE we have to mess up our models! You keep earning and justifying your title; "The Man", lol.

Better stop now; some people will think I'm "in your corner", ha ha...Whistling...Big Smile

(Looking good, btw--love these winterketten tracks!) Hey, btw, you're going to hate the clean-up on those winterketten if they're the same moldings as the ones I used on my "Bigfoot Brummbar"--they have those nasty knock-out marks in every darned link. I didn't see you mention if you were going with AM tracks--could you really be using the kit tracks?!

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Posted by lespauljames on Sunday, September 5, 2010 4:46 AM

professional clean building as ever Bill! are you going for hairspray on this one?

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:32 AM

Nice work, Bill. Those molded tow cables look very good. Smile

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, September 5, 2010 9:58 AM

Hey Bill,

What a great looking kit! I love your blogs so this kit will no doubt be going on the Christmas list!

The WinterKetten look most impressive - I wonder if Friul do Winterketten?

Best of luck Bill, no doubt this will be a superb build as usual Toast

ATVB

Ben Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 11:35 AM

Thanks Mike, Day 2 went very well...Day 3 may actually see all major construction completed...have to see how it goes. Wink

IB, not going to buy any AM for this baby but you may be right about something coming out of the stash...even if it is just an AM antenna. Big Smile

Karl, the neat thing about circular places like these Forums is that there aren't any corners! Wink I always try to document any potential problems or issues, especially when building a brand-new kit like this one, so others can have a more enjoyable build or at least know what they're getting into! Always glad to hear that process is helpful. I will indeed be using the Magic tracks and they do have some clean-up in terms of ejector marks and such but not nearly as prominent as the older links DML had put out in their Imperial Series StuG F and F/8 kits.

Thanks James! Since I work with enamels, the hairspray technique is off-limits for me. I haven't decided just yet how beat-up I'm going to make the white-wash on this one and that in turn will ultimately influence my final decisions as to techniques.

Nate, have to agree that DML did a good job with the cables. Virtually all of the knock-out nodules are on the retaining brackets vs. the cables themselves so a little care in the clean-up is all that's needed to preserve their detail.

Ben, considering it's a "winter" setting kit, having it on the Christmas list seems very appropriate! Big Smile I do believe that Fruil produces a set of Winterketten for the Pz III/IV family but not 100% sure on exactly which set you would need.

Day 3 is under way...Wink  

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:05 PM

Sorry Bill

Friulmodel #ATL 19 (SHORT horns)

Fruilmodel #ATL 83 (LONG horns)

Tony LeeSmile

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:20 PM

Bill,

Ya gotta love those Pz III kits.  They are about as close to shake-n-bake that Dragon has come yet.  Very nice work on this one.  I'm sure you know about this but ABER makes an amazing aerial that compared to the stock one, makes it look like irrigation piping.

Cheers

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:27 PM

I know it is hard.....Let me help!!

Our minds are one.....we will OOB...resist the urge to add AM

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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