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No, I did laboriously sand down the raised portions of the fenders to allow the radios and the ventilator duct on the roof of the gun compartment to fit. I think the fix is to buy the Griffon PE exterior details with brass fenders so that you don't have to do that difficult sanding job. My other big problem was that the R&J Lower Hull Resin Interior changed the dimensions of the gun compartment interior ever so slightly so the Griffon PE interior didn't quite fit exactly. Finally got it all together, but OMG! My recommended solution? Get the R&J drop-in resin driver compartment and then use the Griffon gun compartment interior and the Griffon exterior with brass fenders together. The CMK Pz IV resin engine worked out just fine. I guess this is what you have to call "hard earned" knowledge, but I sure don't see myself doing that job over again. Not in this life-time!
And here are some views of the finished product. Still need to add some fine lines to the rust marks, but thought I better snap a few shots before the commander antenna got snapped off:
As you can see I did get the PE vent ducts on the roof to fit over the radios. Next time buy the Griffon exterior PE detail set with fenders. Also, next time buy a PE commander antenna set. The ones that come with the Dragon mid-production 'Brummbar' with zimmerit are fragile as heck. Will they last a week? Wait and see!
Here's the interior of my DML Sturmpanzer IV mid-production "Brummbar":
I used three after-market kits: The CMK Pz IV J resin engine (shouldn't really be much different than the G in the mid-production 'Bear'), the Griffon full gun compartment PE interior that Tony used, and the R&J Enterprises resin driver's compartment and drive train. I suspect that the former changed the interior dimensions of the gun compartment just enough to make fitting the Griffon interior into something of a modeling nightmare, but I finally got all of it in there. My advice? Only try to add on 1 or 2 after-market items to an existing kit. That way you can concentrate on getting it perfect instead of just surviving the process and getting it done.
I used three after-market kits: The CMK Pz IV J resin engine (shouldn't really be much different than the G in the mid-production 'Bear'), the Griffon full gun compartment PE interior that Tony used, and the R&J Enterprises resin driver's compartment and drive train. I suspect that the former changed the interior dimensions of the gun compartment just enough to make fitting the Griffon interior into something of a modeling nightmare, but I finally got all of it in there.
My advice? Only try to add on 1 or 2 after-market items to an existing kit. That way you can concentrate on getting it perfect instead of just surviving the process and getting it done.
IOWs: You got the gun compartment to fit above the radios without sanding down the raised portions of the fenders? My DML Brummbar is the one with built in zimmerit. Was yours one with bare metal and no zimmerit? I got my gun compartment to fit properly above the radios too, but not without a lot of difficult labor and sanding. Almost done with the beast. Will post pics of it in a couple of weeks, Tony. Fitting a CMK Pz IV Ausf J engine, the Griffon PE interior, plus an R&J driver's compartment interior with drive train proved to be a Herculean labor since I suspect the R&J stuff changed the dimensions of the chassis just enough to make the fit extremely problematical. Sure looks like you did it!
Not in the best condition these days, but here is the Saumur Brummbar's gun. You can still see traces of the Elfenbein paint;
These radios?
Tony lee
Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys
Having just finished a DML mid-production Brummbar with zimmerit and a full interior, including driving compartment and engine, I'll tell you one thing Tony: If you don't sand down those raised sections of the side fenders, the radios will never fit above the Griffon shell cabinets. I believe that's Griffon's way of compelling you to buy their exterior PE set, or else their interior won't fit right. A word to the wise!
Hilary Doyle had a look inside the Brummbar at Saumur about 20 years ago. The gun had been overpainted in green, apparently by the French postwar, but a lot of that paint was wearing off and you could see that the gun, mount and control wheels had originally been Ivory like the interior walls.
I'm sure that the breech block interior would be left in bare metal, as you can't risk paint flakes getting into the barrel; the tolerances are too fine. Also, if there's one external surface of the breech block with moving parts on it, e.g .levers, that would not be painted either. That was the rule for German tank guns.
David
Very interesting JohanT: that cover on the tranny plus the steering wheel. Nothing like the Pz IV interior I got from R&J Enterprises. The main gun support beam that comes in the Dragon Brunnbar kit doesn't even seem to be there in the real McCoy. I'm getting the Griffon fighting compartment PE interior detail set and I don't think it includes the same driver's periscope equipment depicted in you picture either. Sounds as if you wanted to model a realistic interior, you'd have to scratch build it yourself!
Having been a shotgun shooter for many years I wonder if the barrels on the Brummbars would dirty up with powder ie gunpowder residue like shoguns do?
If so a bore painted like the one shown in the Sturmtiger photo (metallic/shiny) but with some black/sooty pigment laid on the bore would work well and would take the edge of that shine. It's hard to find any images though?
Imo some soot/burned powder residue applied lighty but evenly would be the way to go.
ATVB
Ben
On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.)
JohanT,what you have there is the breach of a SturmTiger. Very good pics though.
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The picture bellow is supposedly the interior of a Sd.Kfz.166Off-White or Elfenbein.Very Best Regards
Best I can do. I mixed Tamiya Deck Tan with Flat White. Just enough Tan to give it that off white color.
Tony Lee
Dear Pvt Mutt,
If I send you the parts will you paint it for me? Does look like you've got a few hundred parts that don't come in the box. Very nice.
However, can't really see the breach. Just stumbled on a photo of the interior of a Panzer IV: the interior is a very beat up white but much of the gun is clearly metallic.
Eric
A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.
He he he!
No problem Karl!
I hadn't yet seen a Brummbar with cammo until I Googled 'Brummbar' and found some decent photos. All the one's I'd seen modelled up to yesterday were done in plain Dunky and you rarely see them on the WWII documenteries so my bad: it seems I was pretty wrong saying use plain old Dunky!
Cheers buddy,
Sorta like this:
I need to finish this one of these days.
Hinksy I went for off white (Ivory), black for the seat and the exterior was monotone Dunkelgelb. Most Brummbars that you see will be in Plain Dunky. Best of luck buddy, ATVB Ben
I went for off white (Ivory), black for the seat and the exterior was monotone Dunkelgelb. Most Brummbars that you see will be in Plain Dunky.
Best of luck buddy,
Secondarily most Brummbars had camo. I have extensive photo coverage of the Brummbar and only the prototypes seems to have been bare Dark Yellow. Such a large, slab-sided vehicle needed camo to break up the silhouette.
Sorry, Ben!
Hi Eric,
I built a Dragon Brummbar varian' - the one with Zimm - a while ago. Even though it didn't have interior detail as such the gun was fully reproduced even though it would never be seen.
Doing Dragon Brummbar. It doesn't have much of an interior but the entire gun is reproduced - even has a chair for the gunner. Thinking about leaving the hatches open because there's something to see, however humble. Assume general interior color is off-white. Stumped about the gun. The barrel and mantel will be exterior color. How about rest of the beast that's inside the vehicle? Flat metal of some kind? More off-white? Exterior color? Advise appreciated.
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