Panther F (any info about camo marking??)

I don't believe that the Panther F ever became completed. They had a few turrets and some incomplete hulls by wars end. I would paint it in late war camo. One book I have "Osprey's Panther book" has an artist impression of one in overall dark green. Sorry I do not have more info about markings.

you could paint the Panther F in any colour theres a picture of Hitler looking at a Kingtiger ( i think) with a Mild steel or wooden prototype in the back ground but there were none in Berlin
you could base it at the M.A.N factory

The prototype for the Panther II use to be at the Patton Museum.

I am assuming it is still there.

Any colors for German Armor during April/May 1945 would work as far as I am concerned.

yeah the Panther 2 hull is in the Patton musium and a Panther F turret is in the Bovington tank musium (well whats left of it)

As far as i know, only one panther II was completed before the end of the war, and it had a Panther G turret mounted on it.

My references show that if there were any Panther Fs completed, they would have been deployed to the defense of Berlin. I am making an educated guess that they were probably painted in red oxide, with yellow, and green sprayed over to make a camo pattern. I would also guess that they would have had no markings on them at the time.

Since the panther II that dragon depicts was never made, you can use your imagination there. As far as the panther F, no one could prove you wrong as long as you use a logical paint scheme.

Hope this helps,
edog

Check out JHULKs signature for his (in)famous E-100 with his imaginary "Berlin Ambush" (grey on grey) scheme. It's terrific, and very logical.

My refs indicate there were no F's finished (only some turrets) and only one completed Panther II hull, as Eric (edog) said. The allies put a Panther G turret on it and shipped it to the States.

While Panther II's were intended to see production they never actually made it that far. There were, however, two prototypes made in 1944 and one of these, fitted with a Panther I turret, was delivered by MAN in 1945. It is this prototype that currently resides at the armor musuem( George Patton Armor Musuem I think?) at Fort Knox! The fate of the other prototype is unknown. The following information is from the "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of WWII" by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary Doyle. Good book in paperback, meaning I could afford it!

So I think it would fair to say that any Panther F/Panther II color scheme would be at best somewhat speculative in nature. Although you can look at late war color schemes and choose one that you like the best. Whose to say it would have existed or not. BTW I recent built the DML Panther II kit. I chose a hard-edged, three-color scheme of a dark-yellow with olive-green and red-brown. I used Silly Putty to mask off the paint.

Hope this helps!

Glenn

Ok, here is the official word from Jentz, and Trojca:

Jentz and Trojca both agree that two Panther IIs were ordered for testing. They both agree that only one was completed but was outfitted with a panther G turret. They also agree that it is possible that this prototype saw combat.

Jentz states that a few Panther F hulls were completed and fitted with G turrets. Trojca agrees with Jentz on this point, BUT Trojca states: “it seems probable” that a few panther Fs were completed by Daimler-Benz and that they “allegedly” saw combat in Berlin. Jentz seems more skeptical. There are however pictures of a prototype of the Panther F from 1944.

This info comes from Sd.Kfz.171 Pz.Kpfw.V Panther and Germany’s Panther Tank, The quest for Combat Supremacy

Here is a link that describes almost word for word what Germany’s Panther Tank, The quest for Combat Supremacy states. After all, the book is one of the references used for the site.

http://www.geocities.com/desertfox1891/pzpanther/pzpanther.htm

Anyway, in conclusion, whatever color you would like to paint the tanks will work, since there seems to be no concrete evidence that either tank saw combat. And I didn’t meant to get nit picky, just wanted to let you guys know what my references said. By the way, I would love to know what references you guys are using.

I'd say sky is the limit for camo especially considering that in 1945 the Germans ran out of certain paints and even resorted to using Panzergrey as a base again. Might be fun to futuristically choose your own scheme.

My info came from the two Osprey Panther books.

Bill

Hi everyone,

thnx guys for sharing info anyway..
53 ryders, i also have the book too..but still less information for me..
edog, i could'nt open the link that u give (can open it's like erroer & unavailable).. i think the wrong one...
tigerman, is there any alternative color beside panzergrey?? how bout put some redbrown also as well on camo??

First off, welcome to the "Dark Side" Kingtiger332. I'm sorry, I think I confused you. I meant that the Germans used basically anything near the end of the war as a base. They used Red-oxide, Olive green, panzergrey and probably dunkelgelb as well. Their supplies were limited. So yes, they could have used red brown on grey. I even saw dunkelgelb (dark yellow) on grey in a line drawing of a late war Jagdtiger. Kind of cool. Probably not accurate, but who can verify this? Good luck. Have fun with it.

im working on a DML's panther F for the panther build, according to my research when the factory personnel were interogated after the war they were never asked about the panther F nor did they volunteer any info, so its possible that a few were finished but probably not likely. also towards the end of the war the panzer grey color was an authorized replacement for dunklegelb (dark yellow color) at the factory which at the time was using red oxide as a primer. so just for fun i painted mine red oxide, green and panzer grey camo. hopefully ill have some pics up before the 1st. basically its one of the few german afvs that u can paint however u want because nobody can prove u wrong or right! so have fun!

In the last couple of days I saw on some modeling website, which now I cannot remember where, someone's version of a Panther II. It was painted entirely in primer red-oxide. It had various production remarks located all over the chassis. It was an interesting look and certainly believable considering the state the German war-machine was in during those final days! If I can find the website I'll put it out for you all. Maybe someone else has seen this model?

Glenn

Glenn

Hi Hunter, welcome to you too. That would be cool to see your model in that scheme.

Thnx guys for information, it may worth for referencing first... i'll try to study it first, before painting...

Hunter, which killing marking ur u using..? maybe we can share our project bout this tank...
im goin to use tanks killer..

I found the website that displayed the Panther II in red-oxide primer. It's on Hyperscale!
You can go to www.hsgalleries.com/pantheriisb_1.htm to find it! This is from their 'Whats New' column dated January 21, 2004.

HTH!
Glenn

Kingtiger: The ausf F never went beyond prototype stage , A bit late in the war for it ! As a matter of fact only a protoype turret was ever created , a bit narrower than an ausf G with thicker armour and range finders on each side , they were also going to try to mount the bigger 88mm KwK gun , however that never happened ! So answer to your ? after that long winded answer, would probably be late war ambush like the kings had.

Funny how you go from one source to another , you get different answers on subjects my 1st response from encyclopedia of German tanks of WW2 heres something about the ausf F from achtung panzers site (no colour pics however) http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm#panther

confuseee guys... thnx all for info ...

so the camo from DML offering still got history background (berlin 1945) or does the tank regiment realy-really exist during that time??

Nice links Glen and Shawn. Wouldn't it be interesting for a company to produce the VK3002, the German copy of the T-34? Something different, kinda cool.

[b]Tigerman:/b] If anyone would do that , it would be DML, they love that odd stuff ! Thank god for DML Or we would be modeling nothing but tigers and panthers , and shermans ( not that those aren't way kool mind you !)

DML has leapfrogged Tamiya in my book. I never thought I'd say that. Tamiya still puts out great kits with great finishes, but DML offers a broader range of subjects and packs more value(pe parts, indy tracks) and color directions(Panther A kit)! All at a more affordable price. They also are producing more it seems and Tamiya just seems to be putting along. I thought Tamiya, after producing their Marder kits, would have came out with a Hetzer by now. Maybe a Grille. What's up with them?

Tamiya has some real nice stuff too , but I do think they are going more of an RC route now ( which makes more money I am sure !) Some of DML's kits have such crisp details ( that was not always the case believe me , they put out some crap at one time , sinkholes galore!) They still do have to do something about those nasty tracks GGGRRRRRRR!!!!!! ejector pin marks , and always where you don't want to try to fix em'!

Perhaps nothing better exemplifies Tamiya's future than their releasing those expensive die-cast models. LOL I mean, how many purists are going to be snapping those up? I think this was brought up in another thread awhile back, but you could buy a kit and superdetail it with pe and am parts and save a ton of money. If this is their direction, they had better watch their rears!

Well, if my kit count is any indication, I have probably 4 (or 5) DML kits for every Tamiya kit on the unbuilt shelf. Seems like everything I buy (or want to buy) lately is a DML kit, along with a couple of Academy kits. I've got almost every Tamiya kit that interests me, with the exception of the Tiger I Initial, Marder III and Wirbelwind.

But, on the other side, DML is having a real problem with getting mistakes printed in their instructions. Virtually every DML kit I've seen has at least one misprint. Many have more (look at the Nashorn, Early). Some of them pretty serious.

Off the soapbox!

I've heard, probably pure speculation and wishful thinking, that Tamiya will "flood" the market with new kits soon. Time will tell. (That's all I need, to have a bunch of "must have" mega-expensive Tamiya kits vieing for my money with all the "must have" DML kits!! lol)

Just wonder if Tamiya means "flooding" the market with 1/72 braille to counter Dragons move into that scale.

Could be, Eric. Who knows. That would be quite a departure for them, though. If Dragon just tightened up their documentation a bit, they couldn't be beaten in 1/72. Well, that and making their sprue attachment points a little smaller, and maybe fewer! lol

Bill

Anything but Olive Drab!!!