nashorn suggestions

Nashorn/Hornisse are one in the same.

A rose by any other name is still a rose

Tony lee

Yes, Tony is correct.  Better listen to him... he is our God of SPG.

For the most recent release, I would go for either:

http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC6646

OR

http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA6386

The Dragon even comes with aluminum barrel! I am not sure of Cyber-Hobby does...

Looks like a beauty of a kit.

The Smart Kits are normally not as abundant in extras as the premium kits. They are quicker builds, usually lesser amounts of PE but almost always high quality kits. You really can't go wrong with either, unless you happen to stumble across one of their old kits thinking it's one of the newer ones.

ps1scw

 

The Hummel is indirect fire and the Nashorn is direct fire correct?  What role did the Hornisse fill?

The Hornisse is usually considered an early Nashorn. Besides a name difference there are some other minor differences.

Erik

Geist

 

ps1scw:

 

 

The Hummel is indirect fire and the Nashorn is direct fire correct?  What role did the Hornisse fill?

 

 

 

The Hornisse is usually considered an early Nashorn. Besides a name difference there are some other minor differences.

 

 

Erik

I believe the name was changed on orders by Hitler. He wanted something tougher.

I thought the Hummel was a 150mm sfh 15 howitzer and the nashorn was a 88mm pak 43

That's right Terry. The Hornisse/Nashorn were built on the same chassis alongside the Hummel on the same assembly lines.

AFV Club also has a modern-tooling Nashorn out that you may want to look at as well for comparison sake.

wbill76

That's right Terry. The Hornisse/Nashorn were built on the same chassis alongside the Hummel on the same assembly lines.

AFV Club also has a modern-tooling Nashorn out that you may want to look at as well for comparison sake.

Can't say with conviction, but I believe it comes with one-piece vinyls and not indies.

I built the "older" premium Nashorn several years ago. Mix bag of good and bad... You better have your big boy panties on to do it up right.

I have not build the newest Dragon or AFV Club kit but I hear from others that they build up nice. It is my understanding that the Dragon one was New Tooling all around which is good. The "premium" one I built was just an upgraded packaging of their old old old imperial kit.

It still turned out ok but took a lot of work.

K-dawg

I built the "older" premium Nashorn several years ago. Mix bag of good and bad... You better have your big boy panties on to do it up right.

I have not build the newest Dragon or AFV Club kit but I hear from others that they build up nice. It is my understanding that the Dragon one was New Tooling all around which is good. The "premium" one I built was just an upgraded packaging of their old old old imperial kit.

It still turned out ok but took a lot of work.

With proper painting and weathering, most any model can look good whether old or new tooling.

You did this justice K-Dawg. Who would've guessed this was an older kit?

Here's my WIP of the DML early Hornisse with Verlinden stuff thrown in. I think it came out pretty nicely. I only added in the Verlinden stuff for fun, mostly. It's a pretty accurate kit as is.

The Doog's Hornisse

tigerman

I believe the name was changed on orders by Hitler. He wanted something tougher.

I thought it was changed to align roles with type creatures; insects were self-propelled indirect fire artillery (Hummel-Bumblebee) and large mammals for self-ropelled direct fire anti-tank artillery (Elefant, Nashorn-Rhino). The Hornisse (hornet) was direct fire. They did the same with the Ferdinand and renamed it the Elefant.

Either way, guys, very nice builds. I'm impressed with the weathering.

Thanks everyone

Rob Gronovius

 

tigerman:

 

I believe the name was changed on orders by Hitler. He wanted something tougher.

 

 

I thought it was changed to align roles with type creatures; insects were self-propelled indirect fire artillery (Hummel-Bumblebee) and large mammals for self-ropelled direct fire anti-tank artillery (Elefant, Nashorn-Rhino). The Hornisse (hornet) was direct fire. They did the same with the Ferdinand and renamed it the Elefant.

Either way, guys, very nice builds. I'm impressed with the weathering.

Wespe/Wasp also would be indirect. I must admit that makes more sense. Now I'll have to look into it. 

                 You say tomatoe and I say tomatoe.Nuff said ? The newest Dragon kit is probably the best.Check Pvt. Mutt's build,although not recently updated,shows options not ever seen.I.E. the additional gun shield armor.Not an expert myself but one of my favorite subjects.Dragon kit #6165 is a pretty one,the anniversary boxing comes with some brass and I believe is more accurate than most.I've built three and they are well detailed,pay close attention to the instructions.Look up Doogs Nashorn.Very informative.Build one and you are hooked.

                                                            Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Guys- I have learned something here... thanks! 

I have this old DML kit Nashorn #6001.  Is it the first or second kit released by DML?  I know it is old... brought it for only $25 via evilBay BUT it came with three sets of PEs and LionRoar aluminum barrel! 

Has anybody built Nashorn #6001? 

Since their WW2 series numbering begins in the 6000 range, it would be the first kit excluding their older "Imperial" series which were reboxes of the Gunze Sangyo kits with plastic parts replacing the GS white metal pieces.

The Nashorn kit #6001 was not highly regarded and panned by pretty much everyone back in the 90s. Here is a corrections/tweaks post that will help should you decide to go ahead and build it. At $25, you did not spend the money wisely; kits #6165 and 6166 are marginally more (found one #6165 for even less on eBay right now) expensive and are much higher quality kits than the old #6001.

http://ampsnz.hobbyvista.com/reviews/Kits/kits1.35/WWII/Germany/SPG/Nashorn/nashorn.htm

As for pronouncing "tomato", you'd have thought after the Dan Quayle spelling bee debacle in the 90s, that'd be one word most Americans could at least spell correctly regardless of pronunciation.

I built good ole 6001 way back when it came out.  It was the first WWII 1/35 kit Dragon did,  I think the Soviet T-70 was the first armor kit.  Hey, it had faults, but it sure beat scratch building the thing on a Italeri kit.  I did a few very small things to it, didn't have a lot of references, a few Japanese photo books with good interior shots.  I still have it, and even though I've built 3 of the newer issues, I still keep it out and in good shape.  For 20 years old it still looks okay.  Heck, it even placed in a local IPMS contest here way back when.  I still have one kit not built just for the memories.  I did sale off another one when then newer ones came out.

I love the Nashorn.  I was first introduced to the beastie by the Avalon Hill game PanzerBlitz back in 1971.  Used to play those games a lot.   Anyway, the long range and attack factor of that unit was marvelous.  Yeah it's defense factor was bad and movement was average, but you had to be really not paying attention to lose it in battle.  I suppose you could sacrifice it, but it would be like losing a queen in chess, as well as the Hummel and Wespe.   So when after 20 years when Dragon did it, I snatched it up and started to build it.  I haven't gotten the AFV club kit yet, are there any advantages to it?  I did notice it has vinyl track.  I prefer Dragons magic track, but other than that any differences?

Doug

Doug, here's a link to a similar question asked about 4 months ago on Missing Lynx. I should help you decide which one is better for you. http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1301955571/Nashorn+kits

Thanks Rob, that answers my questions.  I'll probably get the AFV club one anyway, just to have everything Nashorn

Doug

Thanks Rob... you have been helpful!  Like I said my purchase came with three sets of brass PE and aluminum barrel so I think it was a great deal.

I will look around for a good deal for better Nashorn DML kit on eBay.  I opened the old kit #6001 tonight and it looks pretty outdated with low count of part which was untypical of Dragon kits...

With any luck, those sets can be used on a nicer kit. It would seem a shame to waste nice AM stuff on a subpar kit.

Andy, The kit I built was 6414 the Premium version. It was basically an updated tooling of the original one. It was a real mixed bag of good and bad. The air vents on the sides were provided in photoetch to replace the HORRIBLY over scaled kit plastic. However, the PE parts were not easy to work with and were vastly UNDER scaled. So i split the different using the PE box and scratch building the armored slats from suitably thick styrene. I added a huge amount of weld beads around the kit and just did some general updating from photos of the vehicle previously on display at Aberdeen.

Probably the most problematic thing was the colored photographic instructions... they were miserable.

The newest Dragon Nashorn is a sure enough ground up kit. As far as I know there is nothing in common with the original.

That's a lot of brass Andy. You could try selling it all as a package or individually, then go after the Smart Kit.