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Why 1/35 Scale?
Posted by amphib on Monday, February 25, 2013 6:11 AM

Can anyone explain why the model manufacturers have chosen a scale of 1/35 or 11/32" for their models when 1/32 or 3/8" scale would agree with some manufacturers of large scale railroad models. Yes I know the large scale railroad manufacturers are also using other scales but that is another story.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, February 25, 2013 6:17 AM

This question gets asked often.  The bottom line answer is that Tamiya started using the csale for motorized models in the early '70s.  They continued the scale with static models since they already had the molds and it took off from there.  Other companies used the same scale so their kits would be the same scale.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, February 25, 2013 9:48 AM

Monogram's use of 1/35 scale pre-dates Tamiya's use of 1/35 scale. Many now-defunct Japanese model companies copied Monogram kits and motorized them. Because of this, 1/35 scale was the established scale in Japan for motorized tank kits and Tamiya chose that scale because of the size required to house the motorization and batteries.

Tamiya did not begin manufacturing plastic models until 1959. By then, Monogram models already had a line of 1/35 scale military models that included the M48 Patton tank, M3A1 halftrack, M16 Halftrack (really a 2x.50 cal M13), M29 Amphibious Weasel, M34 2 1/2 ton truck, Infantry troops and a Jeep with 37mm anti-tank gun as early as 1956-58.

By the 1970s, Monogram switched to 1/32 scale to match the Renwal kits and the new Airfix 1/32 scale armor kits (probably the best 1/32 scale armor kits of the era were the 1976 Airfix kits). The kits released in 1/32 scale were the M4 Hedgehog, M4A1 Calliope, Panzer IV, Flakpanzer, Sturmpanzer, Jagdpanzer IV, M8 Greyhound, Sd.Kfz 232, M3 Grant and M3 Lee. Many of Monogram's previous 1/35 scale kits were reissued magically as 1/32 scale.

By the late 70s, Tamiya became the premier armor model manufacturer as the US and UK stopped making new military models in the 1/32-1/35 scale range. The Italian companies Italeri and Esci continued to develop the 1/35 scale line as well. Italeri's armor line still contains 1/35 scale armor kits from some of those now-defunct Japanese model companies.

About this time, Academy showed up and began releasing pirated copies of Tamiya's armor kits.

As to why Monogram originally chose 1/35, I haven't been able to find the answer to that question.

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Posted by T26E4 on Monday, February 25, 2013 11:08 AM

I never questioned the story about Tamiya and 1/35. Your Mongram timeline busts that myth Rob.  

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Posted by amphib on Monday, February 25, 2013 1:08 PM

Rob

Thanks for your explanation. It also clears up another mystery. Recently I picked up a kit for my grandson for a halftrack. It was a "shake the box" type kit that comes with a screw driver to assemble it. The box (which I no longer have) indicates that it is 1/32. But comparing it withe the Italeri halftrack it is clearly 1/35. Must be the old Monogram kit or some variant of it.

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Posted by TomZ2 on Monday, February 25, 2013 5:08 PM

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1:35 scale is the most popular scale for model military vehicles, with an extensive lineup of models and aftermarket parts available from a wide variety of manufacturers.

The roots of 1:35 as a military modelling scale lie in early motorized plastic tank kits. To accommodate electric motors and gearboxes, these models needed to be made in a larger scale. There were many companies making such tanks, but it was Tamiya's example that made 1:35 a de facto standard.

According to Shunsaku Tamiya in his book Master Modeler (page 63):

"After the success of the Panther, I thought it would be a good idea for us to produce other tanks from different countries in the same scale. I measured the Panther and it turned out to be about 1/35 of the size of the original. This size had been chosen simply because it would accommodate a couple of B-type batteries. Tamiya's 1/35 series tanks eventually got to be known around the world, but this is the slightly haphazard origin of their rather awkward scale."

Early kits in the scale, built around bulky motorization components, often sacrificed scale appearance and detail, but their large size and potential for intricate superdetailing appealed to hobbyists.

Over the years, kits have become more and more detailed and accurate, and nowadays there is a whole industry in 1:35 dedicated to offering aftermarket detail parts for kits. After a new kit is released, companies like Aber and Eduard usually make detail sets available for it, allowing modellers to replace kit parts with more accurate photoetched alternatives.

In terms of model range, 1:35 is typically limited to military land vehicles and figures. Some helicopter kits also exist in the scale, whereas large airplane kits are more commonly done in 1:32 scale. In recent years, there have been some aeroplane releases in 1:35 as well, typically of vehicles operating in close contact with ground forces, such as the Fieseler Storch liaison aircraft or the Horsa glider. The figures are usually designed to go with the AFV's thougg, and are largely based around World War II. World War I figures are unusual and pre-1914 figures are very rare indeed.

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1:32 scale is a traditional scale for models and miniatures, in which one unit (such as an inch or a centimeter) on the model represents 32 units on the actual object. It is also known as "three-eighths scale", since 3/8-inch represents a foot. A man is 2¼ inches tall (55 mm) in 1:32 scale.

1:32 was once so common a scale for toy trains, autos, and soldiers that it was known as "standard size" in the industry (not to be confused with Lionel's "Standard Gauge").1:32 is the scale for Gauge 1 toy and model trains. It was the scale of some of the earliest plastic model car kits. It is a common scale for aircraft models and for figure modeling, where it is called 54 mm scale, from the height of the human figure. 1:32 was used for equipment to match 54 mm toy soldiers for miniature wargaming and was common in scale military modeling such as tanks and armored cars until it was largely replaced by 1:35 scale.

1:32 is now considedered to be the 'Normal' scale for agricultural models such as Britains or Siku

1:32 is a useful scale for scratch modelling or railways. As well as standard gauge gauge 1 using 45mm/1¾" track, narrow gauge modellers use 0 gauge (32mm - 1¼") track for 42", 1m and 36" gauge originals. Also H0/00 track at 16.5mm is used to represent models of 2'/60 cm gauge railways.

Today, 1:32 is associated with slot car scale. A standard for tabletop rail-racing in the mid-1950s, it was adopted by the original slot car manufacturers, Victory Industries and Scalextric,

And YOU trust Wikipedia ???

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, February 25, 2013 8:41 PM
Reminds me of the Allstate commercial with the French model, bonjour!
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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, February 25, 2013 9:19 PM

Rob - The internet never lies..... LMAO

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:02 AM

I have always found it strange that Revell (the original Venice, Calif company) chose 1/40 scale for their military vehicles and Monogram chose 1/35 with Aurora chosing 1/48 and Renwal using 1/32. Yet the two companies that chose established aircraft scales (Aurora & Renwal) both went under but Revell-Monogram still exists.

There was probably a perfectly good reason why those scales were chosen. Perhaps that scale made the unassembled kit fit the companies' respective standard sized boxes or that scale was the limit of that companies' technological abilities. Might even have been random.

I've collected a few of the motorized copies of kits based heavily on early Monogram armor kits. They were rather interesting.

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Posted by vonryan on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:42 AM

60's 70's Monogram was 1/32. don't know what it is now? thought it was picked up by Revel ? don't buy anything that's not upper class kits T'HB'D'T'B'AFV' crap that's almost everything lol

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:21 PM

If you read my first post, Monogram started with 1/35 scale kits (before Tamiya ever made a plastic model kit) then they switched to 1/32 scale. Revell and Monogram merged into Revell-Monogram (now just Revell) but remains located in Monogram's original location.

If you look at Revell's online store ( www.hobbyshipper.com/.../wsr600p ) you'll see three original Monogram armor kits labeled as their correct scale; the M48A2 in 1/35, SdKfz 232 in 1/32 scale and the M4 Hedge Hog in 1/32. Since Monogram used both scales, many modelers think all their kits are just one scale or the other, usually assuming the older kits are 1/32 scale like their later 1970s kits.

Also listed are two of the Renwal armor kits Revell obtained in the early 1980s.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:11 PM

Thanks guys, interesting read!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:43 PM

Going to store away HO/00 = 2' narrow gauge in 1/35 in my noggin.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:53 PM

Great info all around----much education to be had here for the scale modeler!

I'm just glad they didn't pick a bigger scale---god only knows where I'd store all my built models!

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:49 PM

If you've ever seen any of the old Revell 1/40 scale stuff, that scale is probably a better scale size-wise. It's larger than 1/48th but smaller than 1/35.

To be honest, the mainstream armor modelers will be 1/35th scale for the duration of the hobby's existence.

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:05 PM

Rob Gronovius

If you've ever seen any of the old Revell 1/40 scale stuff, that scale is probably a better scale size-wise. It's larger than 1/48th but smaller than 1/35.

To be honest, the mainstream armor modelers will be 1/35th scale for the duration of the hobby's existence.

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:47 AM

Some very interesting info has been presented here on the history of scale. Yes

There is one scenario I can think of that could change the scales we build in, and that would be 3D printing.  In that situation, the kit is "printed out" in the scale desired by the buyer - of course size would be limited by the capacity of the printer.  From what I understand though, this technology has a ways to go before reaching the quality we see in many of today's kits.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:59 AM

As a child, the first tank kits I built were the Aurora 1/48 scale ones. I've always had a fondness for it. When I entered the Army in 1987, I discovered 1/48 scale Bandai kits and loved them. I've bought almost every Tamiya, Skybow, AFV Club and Hobby Boss 1/48 scale armor kit. My 1/72 scale armor collection is extensive, well into the hundreds of kits.

But I know the standard scale for armor modeling will forever be 1/35th.

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Posted by tankboy51 on Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:50 PM

When I started modeling back in the late fifties, I didn't buy kits based on the scale.  I just built what I liked, which was everything.  Really , everything.  My paper route and Ice cream cart business paid well. LOL.  By the early seventies I decided I liked the new Tamiya armor kits best.

The early Bandai 1/48 kits were cool as well.  However as more and more Tamiya became available I became more discriminating and came the conclusion that 1/48 and 1/72 scale tank tracks just didn't look right, and I liked the options 1/35th offered.  I still have a large stash of Bandai kits.  I have slowly been selling selected ones to friend who likes that scale and sometimes does a great job of converting some of them.  Some of them are the original ones with the swastika on the boxes, before Bandai took them off.  I think I paid under five bucks apiece for them back in the early seventies.  I also still have a small stash, pun intended, of 72 scale kits.  I build them off and on for fun.

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Posted by T26E4 on Monday, March 4, 2013 8:14 AM

"From what I understand though, this technology has a ways to go before reaching the quality we see in many of today's kits."

Ummmm  no.  Have a look here:

Hotchkiss suspension replacements:

www.shapeways.com/.../ets35

Detail parts for M4 Shermans & variants:

www.shapeways.com/.../MMCDesign

www.network54.com/.../New+test+parts

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, March 4, 2013 2:03 PM

Wow!... those do look good.  With those prices though, a complete kit would be extremely expensive.

My reference originates from a previous thread on the subject:

3D Printing and Modeling: What's in the future for us???  where a forum  member (Pande2112) working in the field made said statement.   He'll have to explain it himself why he thought that, or those links illustrate  how  far the technology has advanced in the four months since the posting???

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