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Dragon #6253 Tiger I Late Production-Complete 12-20-13

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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:05 PM

    Bill, looks like a good day for a Tiger.

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(Of course, any day is good for a Tiger)

Sherman-Jumbo-1945

"I never know what to expect here anymore."

 

 
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:45 PM

I hear you there DM! Beer Thanks for dropping in.

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Posted by Rambo on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:59 PM

I still want to get some of that Atak Zim it seems really easy to work with. The rest of the Tiger is coming along nicely too.

Clint

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:36 PM

Thanks Clint! Atak's the way to go IMHO. Not only do they typically include the zim panels but they also provide full resin replacement parts for things like the gun mantlet that would be very difficult to zim otherwise. Well worth the price to produce a zim finish. Wink

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Posted by bufflehead on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:36 PM

Dang Bill!  I had no idea you were building this kit!  I've had mine in the stash for 6 yrs....I think it was the 5th kit I bought when I returned back to the hobby.   I was too intimidated back then to build it and it still intimidates me!! Tongue Tied  Some day I'll work up the courage to attack it, but for now I'll live vicariously through your top notch blog!

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:45 PM

Hi Ernest! Glad you found it, still in the early stages yet so you're not far behind. Wink This one was also one of my early stash-building kit acquisitions that has been sitting patiently waiting its eventual turn at the bench. You shouldn't be intimidated by this kit, it's got options of either styrene or PE for most of the parts in question so there's no reason not to tackle it whenever you feel the urge! Beer Happy to feed your Tiger-fix needs until then though.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:21 PM

More progress in the hull details in this session. First up was the front Bosch headlight and platform. The kit part doesn't accommodate the addition of zim, so the little tab on the back needed to be notched at the top for it to sit properly. The kit-supplied pre-bent steel wire for its conduit falls into the same trap, so I replaced it with 0.5mm solder bent to shape and installed with CA gel.

Then it was time to work on the tools. I used the kit-supplied 'clean' tools for the most part, the only one that wasn't usable was the pry bar, TA2. That's because this is a generic tool set sprue and the pry bar there is a much shorter bar than the one used on the Tiger. Griffon PE clamps were used in place of the kit clamps because I find them easier to work with. For those tools with molded-on tool clamps, I removed their thick handles and replaced them with Griffon handles. The kit-supplied brass tube antenna holder was attached with CA gel to round things out.

The tools that attach to the rear hull were also dealt with, receiving Griffon PE handle replacements. The jack is a multi-part assembly and beautifully detailed but the handle has to be placed just so to line-up properly with the mount hole in the rear. I also cleaned up the large tow cables and prepped the cleaning rods. The rods had their solid ends drilled out with a #76 finger drill to create the 'female' ends where appropriate.

Next up will begin work on the turret.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:36 PM

I want MORE

I want more

Tex give us MORE

Tony leeWink

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:41 PM

YEAH!!  

Looking good Bill!  Thanks for the heads up on the parts that need mods or replacement due to the zim!

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, October 21, 2013 1:55 PM

Tony

careful what you wish for! Big Smile

BeerErnest

happy to be of assistance! It's not an uncommon thing for those little types of things to pop up since of course the kit designers can't know what the actual thickness of AM or DIY zim might be, so the parts are designed to fit without that consideration. Makes life just a little bit more interesting but that's all part of the process of adding mods anyhow. Thanks for the comments as always! Beer
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Posted by Bish on Monday, October 21, 2013 2:56 PM

Looking good bill.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Panther Ausf G 122 on Monday, October 21, 2013 3:06 PM

Nice build, watching your WIP.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, October 21, 2013 8:55 PM

Thanks Bish!

Panther G

glad to have you along as well! Beer
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:52 PM

Work moved on to the turret in the latest round with efforts focused on Steps 13 and 14 to build up the main gun and mantlet. The kit includes a metal spring to allow for 'recoil' but it's not essential and I left it out deliberately. I opted for the kit-included turned aluminum barrel. The small locking piece that secures the base of the barrel into the breech and recoil housing, part A9, is shown in the instructions installing upside down. The 'open' end installs down and not up, otherwise you can't get the recoil housing halves together.

The Atak set includes two different resin replacement mantlets that have the zim pattern, The 'monocular' sight version was introduced in April '44 so I went with that one. I replaced the kit coaxial MG34 barrel with a turned brass item from JB Models. I used a small amount of ApoxieSculpt putty to provide something for the brass barrel to hold onto and also blank off the open port since the JB barrel's base diameter was smaller than that of the kit part.

The rest of the gun was assembled per the instructions. The kit provides a choice of muzzle brakes but has the part numbers backward on the instruction diagrams. Parts A11-A17-A18 construct the larger type brake used before April '44 while parts E7-E10-E11 construct the smaller type seen after that date. I used the smaller type to match with the mantlet type selected previously. The brake has a 'D' shaped opening that has to be opened up to a full round opening to mate up with the aluminum barrel, so that was carefully drilled out with a small drill pit and pin vise.

Step 15 adds interior details that I skipped since I'm not showing any of the turret hatches open. Step 16 addresses the turret roof, I chose the roof style used after June '44 and added the hatches and other details. The clear periscopes were left out for now since they can be installed into their spots from the turret underside later after painting.

Step 17 assembles the turret but before I could do that, I needed to add the zim. The Atak set includes the choice of small or large ridge patterns panels and I opted for the larger patterns often seen on Tiger turrets vs. the smaller pattern used on the hull. Panels were added using a combination of CA gel and liquid glue since the curves of the turret put a little more stress on the panels in terms of the surfaces they needed to conform to. Strategic use of some smooth-jaw clips helped get everything to stay put until the glue set. The Atak set provides a replacement resin escape hatch as well as zimmed parts for the view ports on the turret sides. The view port parts aren't the same size as what is molded on the turret, so the turret ports were carefully sanded down until the resin parts sat flush with the zim panel. Then just a little bit of white putty to join everything up to round it out.

Turret roof was then installed in place and the rest of the details added in the form of the spare track holders, the rear turret bin, and the MG AA mount.

Test fit with the hull showed that I needed to adjust the placement of the shovel clamp installed earlier to allow it to clear the bottom of the mantlet. Otherwise everything else played nice.

Next up will be starting the paint work.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:58 PM

Looking impressive Bill.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:00 PM

Sweeeeet!!!  The Dragon kit and Atak zim is going together very nicely!  But what are those "white" spots on the zim?  Different glue?

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:28 PM

Nice clean construction BillYes

I'm ready for some color.

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:56 PM

Eric

thanks as always!

Ernest

the Atak sheets vary slightly in thickness/translucence, so the 'white spots' you're seeing (if I understand correctly) are areas where the sheet is a little thicker and adheres slightly differently to the underlying surface as a result. Some of what you are seeing is the result of different glues as well but mostly it's the thickness difference.

Tony

me too! Wink
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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:43 PM

I guess I always thought the white spots were a result of no glue in that spot. I learn something every day.

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 Eric 

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Posted by IBuild148 on Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:45 PM

As always Bill things are looking stellar. Yes

IBuildOne48

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LSJ
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Posted by LSJ on Monday, October 28, 2013 1:45 AM
I am truly amazed... After coming back to the game after 30 some years, it's an absolute joy to see things like this.. Craftsmanship on a level I can only dream of. And a wealth of information in how to build (and patience) in this thread.
And as an amateur historian I am very happy with the precision to historical correct details.


Lars
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, October 28, 2013 12:38 PM

Tigerman

It's one factor or the other, sometimes both! Wink

IB

thanks for the comments

BeerLars

the hobby has changed a lot in the past decade, no question about it. Welcome back to the hobby and thanks very much for the kind words. Always glad to hear a build of mine provides helpful info to anyone else looking to build the same kit.
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Posted by Chazzer on Monday, October 28, 2013 5:52 PM

WOW!!! This is one great build and an absolute "clinic" for modelers.  I am proud to be following this. Damn, it's good to be back and see this. Thanks for this!!!

ChazzerBlack Eye

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  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Monday, October 28, 2013 6:12 PM

Hey, very nice, its the kind of pictures used to make on "how to...." book or magazine.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, October 28, 2013 7:50 PM

My pleasure Scott! Wink

Garzon

, I always try to provide as much info as possible in the build logs, glad you find it helpful! Beer
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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:22 PM

Hi Bill,
Super blog as always Bow Down

Your comment about having to cut the side zim panels to allow for the mudguards to sit correctly made me think...(don't laugh Stick out tongue)
Got the same ATAC set and I was simply going to cut it off under the mounting brackets. I was not sure if they would have ever applied zim under the side skirts...but they sure did.

The brackets where high enough to allow for a good connection even with the coat applied.
If I am not mistaking the skirts are bent in an U shape at the top allowing for some flex when the bolt goes through into the threaded bracket hole. Need to check tiger1.info.

Very good fix - the cut is not visible at the missing skirt.

Very nice progress - thank You for sharing! 

Very Best Regards
Johan 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:27 PM

No worries Johan, I went through the same thought process myself and considered the same solution! But, as you discovered, the zim goes all the way down the hull. On the real vehicle the mount points were raised out from the hull enough to allow the fender panels to sit properly once attached but Dragon designed theirs to sit flush to the hull, so that's why the surgery and putty work was necessary for them to sit correctly.

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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:57 PM

Thanks Bill!

And I was wrong - no U bend but still some flex...

tiger1.info/.../Side-skirts.html

Very Best Regards

Johan

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:07 AM

Bill, is there room for one more passenger on this bus?

Looking very good, and great tips along the way.  One question about the second use of glue on the zim sections, do you have a special tip on the liquid glue bottle, or some other dedicated tool to apply it?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:46 PM

Of course Jack! Glad to have you along for the ride. As for your question on the liquid glue, I typically will use the bottle's built-in brush to let the glue flow via capillary action under the panel. For smaller pieces, I use a smaller ordinary paint brush to do the same trick. HTH! Beer

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