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Merit 1/18th 88mm Flak 36 WiP (Completed pics Page 6)

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Merit 1/18th 88mm Flak 36 WiP (Completed pics Page 6)
Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:41 AM

For those who were waiting for this, sorry for the delay. I had hoped to start in in Nov, but as usual things didn't work out that way.

Finally made a start on the 88 yesterday. Looking at the kit, there is certainly room for some improvement. In the main, I need to make handles for the hand wheels, the kit ones are just small stub's. I also need to add some bolts in a few places, not sure how yet, I don't have a punch and die set, so going to have to try and make them by hand. The panoramic Telescope which sits in the recuperator is very poorly details. But this was covered when not in use, so I am going to try and make one of those.

The biggest issue is that the barrel has no rifling. So the two options are to try and rifle it or make a cover. I think option two is the most likely.

So far I have assembled the barrel and the cradle, I won't be putting the two together until after painting.

 This give an idea of how big this is, the barrel is over 10inches long.

 That's it for now. Going to try and add those missing details and start on the pedestal. 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:48 AM

1/18!!!!!!!!!  Is that a typo Mr. 1/72!  Wink

Great build Bish!  That thing is huge and I'll be watching this one for sure!

Eagle90

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:44 AM

Hey,thats great you started up,I remember when you got it,looking forward to this one

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:13 AM

Eagle, I know. Think of all the 72nd kits I could do with this plastic. But hopefully it will be worth the sacrifice.

Tojo, I have been itching to get at this one. Its not often I start a kit so soon after getting it, but as soon as I saw it, I knew I couldn't resit. It might not be upto the detail standard of a Dragon kit, but I think the size alone means it will be a site to see when done.

I hope.

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:17 AM

Wow,

you have my attention for sure.
Some details please - how is the quality? 

BTW, there is a 1:1 in the IWM in London for reference :)

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:51 AM

Glad to have you on board Johan. So far, not to bad. The bits which come up the side of the cradle and support the recuperate were ot a perfect fit, but nothing major. Certain things need attention, like filling holes and of course adding nuts and bolts. As I go along, I will get some close up of the areas that needed attention. I just wanted to get a quick post out there to kick it off.

All in all, its not a Dragon kit in regards to the detail. But the again, it is also cheaper than the much smaller 35th Dragon 88. I would say it is worth it.

Is there, I haven't been for a couple of years, I don't recall seeing it then, either I missed it or its a new addition. It would be nice to get down there and get some first hand pics, I just don't have the time right now. But thanks for the heads up.

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:55 AM

Thanks Bish Big Smile

I will see if I can dig out my reference pics from the NAS.

Happy new 2014 Toast

VBR

JT

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:13 AM

I'd appreciate anything you have. I have a few books, but there are not that many close up shots.

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Posted by jibber on Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:15 PM

Bish, I'll can't wait to see more, this AAG has been on my list for a while.

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Posted by T26E4 on Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:40 PM

Bish: have a look at these

svsm.org/.../88mm-Flak-18_aberdeen (Flak 18)

svsm.org/.../88mm-Flak-36 (actually a Flak 37)

www.primeportal.net/.../88mm_flak_gun (Flak 36)

www.primeportal.net/.../flak_36 (actually a Flak 37)

If you need help identifying the differences  btwn a Flak 18, 36 or 37 go here:

www.track-link.com/.../1203

It has a long errata list for well known 8.8cm Flak books, too

Roy Chow 

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:09 PM

Hi Bish,
Only had 5 pictures from the IWM London and they where taken with a mobile back in 2007...
I was trying to get the different materials to show like the stainless steel firing angle meter, the wooden handles of the elevation wheels, the brass lining of the loading slid, the bare metal of the breach.  

Here you go Cool:






VBR
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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:12 PM

jibber, in that case, I will make extra effort to point out any problem areas.

Roy, beauty, those links are brilliant, thanks. Even if they are not the 36, the guns were that similar they are still useful. And I have a good idea of which bits do and don't apply to the 36. Now I have seen it, I think the IWM one was there when I was, I just didn't take any pics Bang Head But those one are excellent. A nice pic of the hand wheels I need to sort out, and its at about the elevation I plan on doing mine, so I can see where the relevant handles and indicator should be.

Thanks, your a star.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:15 PM

Johan, brilliant, with those and the ones Roy just poste a link to, great detail on those handles, I didn't know they were wood. can't see that in B&W. I might leave the loading tray off, apparently some crews removed them.

If I don't get this right now, you guys can kick my butt all the way across the Pond.

Cheers guys.

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:17 PM

@ Roy - thanks - saved for future builds :)

VBR

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:19 PM

Johan, when you were there, do you recall is there was a German 20mm Flak gun near that 88, perhaps to the left of it.

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:34 PM

Not sure if that was/is a 20MM or not but this was next to the left of the 88.
Thought I had a couple but only one came up in the search.
The picture was taken for the same reason as above - interesting to see what the original "Gun-Metal" could look like.

//JT

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:36 PM

Ye, that's the one. I got a pic of that, wasn't sure if that was where the 88 is in your pics and maybe they had swapped them over.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 3, 2014 4:01 PM

Looking forward to more on this monster Bish, off to a good start.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, January 3, 2014 4:50 PM

Thanks Bill, glad to have you along.

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:15 PM

I've seen armor kits in 1/15 and 1/16 scale, but this is the first kit in 1/18 scale that I've ever seen!   Looking forward to seeing your work on this big gun Bish!

Ernest

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:23 PM

Ye, same here. From what I could find, Merit have a range of ready made models in this scale. This kit was originally by a company called 21st Century toy's (never heard of them) and the kit has a date of 2007. But doesn't seem like it was a big seller, I certainly don't recall hearing of it.

Been doing a bit more work tonight on the cradle and some other bits. There's quite a few seam lines to sand away. I think I may have solved the issues of the missing bolts. I have been told about some resin hex bolts as well as hex plastic rod, so going to order some of both.

I should have a pic update tomorrow.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:13 PM

Been doing quite a few alterations this week, lot more needed changing than I had expected.

A big thank you to Roy and Johan for those pics and links, they have been more helpful than you can imagine. Theres lots of stuff I would have missed without them, and while it would still be a good kit, those changes do make a difference. I am able to get pics of almost every inch of those 88's so am able to check everything.

Its very much appreciated. I will add some comparison pics of the real things so you folks can see what needs changing.

Firstly, the left side of the cradle. I am leaving the loading tray off as this was often removed in the field, and the kit one is missing some detail.

This is the kit piece before altering.

 And this is the finish I am aiming at.

 I removed the strip under the rivets, being careful not to remove the rivets. I will add some stripe later on, I have to get some more as what I have isn't wide enough. Also used sheet styrene for the netal plate and cut back the piece that comes out of the front. The circled handle had to be thinned as the pad at the bottom stuck out both sides and the whole thing was to thick.

And here the rest of the cradle, most of this side is complete.

On the other side of the cradle are two hand wheels. The handles are the main issue here. They should look like this. Its the item on the right with the wooden handle.

And the kit pieces look like this.

So the handles were removed and replaced with plastic rod. For the nut on the back, I used hex rod, its a fraction to small, but was the closet I could get. Got one done, working on the other.

 

 Now the gun barrel. You can see where I have filled in the back of the breech. The area circled will need filling if the breech is open. The breech block has two small tabs which allow you to open and close it without it falling out. But this mean it have to be fitted before the breech goes together. So I removed the tabs so I can add the block later. I am having it closed so don't nee to fill these in.

On the piece the barrel sits on there are 3 holes on each side which need filling. They go right through, so I added some bits of sheet styrene underneath and then filled. The styrene needs to be thin, I used .010. If its to thick, it won't slide onto the cradle. The circled area should have 3 hex bilts, same for other side. Will add these later.

Now for the major work, the platform. The main issue is the pivoting legs. The inside of the pieces that hold the legs is hollow, so will need filling is the legs are folded. 

I am having mine down, and its ok in that position.

But the fixed pieces don't close enough. I took all of the pins and other bits from the inside and sanded away some of the edges, but not to much as it will throw everything out. But there was still a gap that needed sorting and the rear of the legs slope down to much.

The pins that stick out of the pivoting legs can either be fitted in the locked or unlocked position, so you need to decide how you want the legs. If down like mine, the recesses in the fixed piece needed filling out or it pushes the pins forward.  The arm that locks the pin in place, on the right of the fixed piece, also needs some work. The bracket at the back is to square and needs rounding off a bit and round end at the pin needs thinning.

And here's the platform as it stands, you can see other parts I have changed, these are mostly just plastic blobs as they come.

And that's it for now. My main focus is to finish the platform and cradle and then star on the trailers.

This is my first time doing a WiP in this much detail. If I have confused anyone, please feel free to ask for clarity and for pics of anything you want close up's of. 

 

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Posted by garzonh on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:15 PM

Good progress, very nice adaptation and modifications to original model.

Keep updating..

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Posted by JimNTENN on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:31 PM

I have the Tamiya 1/35 '88' in my stash....have had it for forever. This may tempt me to dig it out.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:34 PM

Jim, that's a nice kit, I built it many years ago with a nice dio, unfortunately it didn't survive first contact with the now ex wife. Eagle is doing one in the Duck Hunter GB if you want to check it out.

garzonh, thanks, hopefully I can get another update next weekend. I am not expecting as much work to be needed on the trailers. (famous last words)

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Posted by JimNTENN on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:39 PM

Thanks, Bish, I'll check Eagle's build out.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:20 PM

Making good progress here Bish, I can see one of the downsides of a larger-scale model, when the details are off it really shows. You're making nice improvements to this one for sure. Beer

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:16 PM

Hi Bish,your really detailing it up,looking good,should be worth the effort

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:46 PM

Bill, your not wrong, it would be hard to get away with anything. On the plus side, its not so fiddly to sort out. I just have to keep reminding myself that things have to be thicker or bigger than I am used to.

Thanks Tojo

In regards to the origins of this kit, it defiantly is not new. On the bottom of the centre of the platform, it has the logo of 21st Century toys and the date 2007. This was while I was still out of the hobby and could be why I missed it.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, January 17, 2014 12:20 AM

Hey, Bish--can you put that cradle next to a tank model so we can get a sense of the scale of this big gun?

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