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1/35 Tamiya Cromwell Build Log Complete

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, June 27, 2014 4:23 PM

Thankee for the kind words. I'm loathe to take issue with my betters, but I think the issue of ISP bleaching anything beneath pigments is kind of abstract: you are, after all adding pigments. Nor do I think the amount used (really just to wet the brush) would cause harm to well cured surface. I've done a lot of comparisons with MIG's "Thinner for Washes" and "Fixer." The first is something very close to Tamiya A-20 Acrylic thinner, which is mostly ISP. It will fix pigments, but they can be removed with a stiff brush and water: they're also closer to the original color of the pigment. MIG Fixer will hold pigments for good and unless I need a nose transplant that stuff is turpentine. It fixes pigments for good and darkens the stuff a little. I find it very useful - the pigments set with "thinner" usually add the very top coats of a build up made with "fixer." Interestingly, the newest MIG web page advertizes "Thinner for Washes" as a standard thinner that could be used to make an acrylic wash - as you suggest. They have added acrylic resin as a fixer. That works nicely too, although any matte medium from Liquitex, Golden, Scenic Express or even Vallejo will do the same thing because any of the acrylic mediums are resins of some kind. Naturally MIG's rendition will top the chart in price, but there's be enough there to make many a tank. Can't encourage people enough to watch "Acrylic Weathering Techniques" on YouTube and listen to Mig J himself pontificate on using water based acrylics for all weathering. Because Com.Art fits the bill for washes or even filters, I've found I use very little enamel or oil based products any more. I think they remain best for some kind of shadows and streaking, but less of that stuff is more for me. (As noted I don't have a spray booth and have really learned to like modeling with almost no odor.

But I still haven't got the scale effect down right. I'm going to give any AFV some proper weathering and a good dusting because there were no clean tanks. I've found this process will always darken the kit a little so I've got to train myself to lighten the model more during the modulation stage.

Eric  

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, June 27, 2014 5:35 AM

Really a very nice job. I Like the weathering a lot. The foliage looks pretty convincing too--not an easy thing to pull off---one reason I've never done a model with it.

One thing I would caution against is using "ISP"---isopropyl alcohol?--for anything but paint thinning in some acrylics. I wouldn't use it to fix pigments; you risk bleaching the paint beneath it.

I was glad to hear you mention "scale" when weathering. I'm a HUGE proponent of "scale effect" painting, and employ it in my own modeling. I think your model came out great though; it looks "right".

PVI
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Posted by PVI on Friday, June 27, 2014 4:36 AM

Beautifully well done sir- the foliage and weathering job on that Cromwell are fantastic!

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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:12 PM

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:58 PM

DM

Thanks much for the kind words. Means a lot from you. Very glad for the link because I've got a Tasca Jumbo at home (along with a Tasca mid-43 standard M-4 and a German Lux) and it's pretty high on the list. Your build looks to provide some great info - something I usually find after making a blunder.

Eric

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:27 AM

My Gawd man,..... http://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/647/animated-frightened-smiley-image-0015.gif I absolutely love it. All that garnishment took it from good to great.

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                           Great stuff.

                 This looks good enough to eat.

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Posted by bufflehead on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:38 PM

Eric, that is one beautiful Cromwell!  VERY informative and inspiring information on Rinaldi's techniques...thanks for sharing it with us!  Its obvious your use of them worked out for you as the painting and weathering on the Cromwell is superb!    BTW,  he's one of my favorite modeler/authors and I love his work!  

Ernest

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Posted by JayF on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:42 AM

I love big heavy british tanks, and this one looks good !

Like everyone else said, your camo is amazing

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Posted by r13b20 on Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:00 PM

Eric, you are braver than I am. Very good camo. Nice build! Bob

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Posted by jibber on Monday, April 14, 2014 6:02 PM

Eric thank you for that info, thats a really solid technique there.

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, April 14, 2014 2:43 PM

Thankee for the kind words.

The kit is 1/35 - I was probably thinking of my last airplane. The netting was made with a Kendall Curity Gauze Sponge 12 Ply 4"X4" that I teased out a little to loosen the weave. I then soaked it into a green/khaki combo of Com.Art paints and the color proved secure. Some modelers used thin wire to attach it, but after looking at the stuff I simply stuck it on - carefully - using matte medium (close to a watered white glue) and tried to bunch it up along the top of the turret. I think the stuff was pretty heavy so it was probably only lightly connected to the front of the hull so I glued it on there also. I was able to tug strands away from the model after dry with a tweezers and wove in the thin strips of cigarette paper. The same technique allowed the insertion of clumps of foliage which all had fine stems because it was made with dried foliage. Whether it worked or not is for others to judge but it's closer to the real item than other techniques I saw (with one exception on Armorama of a terrific Firefly - but I think he screwed-up too by emulating a dense camo with a bucket of tape when I think in the real world it was just folded over a couple of times). Others modelers cut netting into small bits and intermingled it with masking tape or thin paper evoking a net that was folded up but not deployed. Here's a pic of the material used after coloring:

 

Eric

 

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Posted by jibber on Monday, April 14, 2014 1:59 PM

Eric, it's hard to find a place to start, this is such a nice build all around. Love your detail in each step and the Tamiya sets are surely favorites. The shading, the pigments, the layers, and the netting and foliage is outstanding all in 1/48. I'm with Johan, I don't understand the technique for the netting but I'm going to do some research. Thanks for including this very cool tank here in Armor.

Terry

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Posted by JohanT on Monday, April 14, 2014 1:36 PM

Hi Eric,

Congratulations on your very convincing Cromwell!

Very nice blog!

Your research and background work, there is a story to be told and you do it very well :)

I don't fully understand how you did the netting, but I will get there ;)

Thank you for good advice on the pigments as well.

Thank you for sharing, looking forward to your next project :)

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:47 PM

These are dry pigments. Sennelier makes some of the best oil paints on the planet and sell the same pigments used in them to artists that like to make their own paints. The fine US paint maker Gamblin also sells them - as does the very ritzy Williamsburg company. These are the finest and best pigments available and cost far less than MIG per ounce. (Sennelier basic pigments are $11 for 140 grams; Gamblin $6 for 4 ounces.) Hats off to MIG if they can get modelers to buy a dozen colors of pigments (and charge very high prices) when you need at most five for weathering. What MIG calls "Thinner for Washes" is very close to Tamiya A-20 and ISP works too. It will help fix pigments on styrene but they can be rubbed off when dry - which is an advantage for many. MIG's "Fixer" is turpentine and that darkens the color a bit and holds the pigments fast. Matte medium is another very good "fixer." YouTube has a number of good videos taken from DVDs done by MIG and others on pigments, enamel weathering and acrylic weathering. Pigments are covered in each.

Eric

 

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Posted by Subhuman1 on Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:44 PM

Nice job, I like the addition of the foliage to the webbing, great improvised camo!

One question, you mention using Tamiya A-20 with your pigments, where these dry pigments (powder) and did you use the A-20 as a fixer?

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:34 PM

That's some nice work there. I really like the foliage and the weathering.

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1/35 Tamiya Cromwell Build Log Complete
Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:16 AM

1/35 Tamiya Cromwell MK IV

Paints: Tamiya, Vallejo Model Color, Vallejo, Golden mediums

Weathering: Iwata Com.Art acrylics; Vallejo Acrylic Game Washes; Ranger “Distress Crackle”, Sennelier pigments; various oils

Foliage: Scenic Express “Super Trees”; Scenic Express Matte Medium

Here's my rendition of Tamiya's splendid 1/35 Cromwell done for the Finescale D-Day Group Build. I do a plane-AFV-ship cycle and figure that if I don't push the envelope a little that I'll get nowhere with any of the genres. So I spent most of my time involved in painting and weathering techniques new to me that might be of some interest to others.

KIT: Short section here. A lot of armor buffs are not Tamiya fans, but even reviewers at Perth and Missing Lynx gave excellent review to the Cromwell. No disagreement from me. I found the detail quite good and the fit excellent. (I think this came out around 2000 and should not be thought of as one of the veteran models that once held electric motors. Part count was about 200 but there were none left over.) After the kit was over I remembered that I had the Eduard PE for the kit but, because I kept on the Normandy hood on the rear, none of it would have been visible. I measure the quality of a build on the amount of filler and CA required. I built this kit with Tamiya's liquid cement – and the complete lack of difficulties was almost hard to deal with. I've considered exchanging a couple of my other 90's vintage Tamiya armor kits for DML – no longer. Even the tracks (which I though had adequate detail as they stood) were no problem – the Cromwell was one of the few tanks having a full Christie suspension and had almost no sag. And I knew they were going to get some proper weathering. I had mud flaps for both front and rear to hide sins but left them off. This may be the best kit I've built.

Painting.

I let Mike Rinaldi act as the muse for this kit. Rinaldi's very interesting “Tank Art” volumes illustrate his impressive skills. You have to think on your feet though. In both volumes after introductory chapters he employs his battery of techniques at a series of individual builds. Rinaldi however hasn't reached the end of his road so tricks and tips were modified, changed entirely or eliminated depending upon the kit examined. So I felt free to pick from here and there. Although I think Mig Jimenez could make a wonderful tank with color crayons, Rinaldi's efforts are very impressive and he often marches to a different drummer. It wasn't always easy to keep up.

Started the kit with Vallejo acrylic primer, stuff I really like. It probably does prefer an overnight cure (it's not needed) but I think it's worth it because when ready it's tough as nails and has the perfect texture for a primer. And it's easy on the nose – an important factor for me because I don't have a booth. I then coarsened the texture with glue/putty more than I normally would but, I'm glad to report, just a bit of it survived the entire painting/weathering procedure so I found the right amount.

Then came the modulation, but Rinaldi style. First was a blast of Golden carbon black of varying intensity over the entire kit – beneath the hull was turned to coal. I'll be doing this from now on because it really amplifies shadows later. I'm a color junkie and will squander hours looking for the right hue even though it rarely makes much difference. The target in question is “SCC15” the Brit rendition of olive drab which was similar but not the same as ours. Rinaldi wants the base coat done with Tamiya – I used a 50/50 blend of XF 58 (olive green) and XF62 (olive drab.) When thinned with Gunze Mr. Levelling Thinner Tamiya is the best paint on the planet to use with an airbrush and it laid down splendidly. Rinaldi advised using a water based acrylic for the modulation which in my world means Vallejo Model Color. (Odd really. AK, AMMO and I think MIG sell “modulation” paint kits that employ repackaged Vallejo Model Air. If you played it straight, no paint equals Tamiya at the light coat, thin viscosity, low psi airbrushing required for modulation. I assume these are commercial arrangements as Jimenez, Adam Wilder, Ian Hamilton and others have had connections with Vallejo in the past, although each calls for Tamiya for a base.) I used Model Color 889 (olive drab) and 924 (Russian Uniform) and progressively lightened for three coats with Model Color 971 (green gray or sky) and white. Here's what we were left with:

Rinaldi does not segment his builds into predictable categories – reminds me of ship building. So he's thinking of a major weathering step built into the modulation. He calls it “lacquer thinner reverse dry brushing.” The aim here is to take color off, not put it on. Now you can see why he wants water based Vallejo on top of solvent based Tamiya. You take a brush, dip into Tamiya lacquer thinner and remove almost all of it – nearly dry. Then start brushing delicately in areas that get wear. Rinaldi doesn't like a lot of chipping and wants to show wear by discoloration and I think he's right. I tried this on my last tank except that I used the Vallejo acrylic thinner he called for and – surprise – it took off Vallejo too quickly. (You could use it, but with even more care.) Vallejo, however, doesn't react quite the same to lacquer thinner – although Tamiya would. And slowly I started adding areas around the model that were discolored. This was a very good technique for a D-Day Cromwell because the tank would have been pretty new and allied tanks had more robust paint jobs than did German. But the grime, wear and dirt would have been there even after short use (D-Day vehicles would have seen extensive training exercises and had saw heavy action during the entire Normandy campaign). So if you look at the surface of the kit, especially near hatches, the engine etc, most of the dark coloration comes from “reverse dry brushing” and not staining.

Rinaldi doesn't use clear on prior to weathering because he wants a matte surface for filters and oils. Model Color are satin, but I thinned them with matte medium so we had a mildly satin finish. On Rinaldi advice out came from Vallejo Acrylic Washes. Great news for me. I've been using these products for basic washes for some time. (If anyone doubts the possibility of weathering a tank with no solvent products at all, check YouTube for the “acrylic weathering techniques” done by Mig Jimenez himself.) Rinaldi doesn't seem to like enamels and I don't either. Anyway, I thinned some Sepia Wash and used it as a filter. Did the same with black/gray. Worked great. The next stage I designed myself. First I gave the kit a good covering of Pledge/Klear and let it cure overnight.

With a nice satin finish it was time for decals. Decals and I are not friends and I was looking at dropping a star right on top of a ventilation fixture on the turret. My last build was a Revell Ju-52 which was great fun but had masses of irregular surface that needed decals. So I tried a technique pushed by Finescale editor Aaron Skinner and readied the target area with a puddle of Pledge and then dropped the decal into it which left me a little time to move things around. When it started to dry, I brushed the decal gently and it smoothed out very well and creates a kind of layer of adhesive under irregular surfaces. When dry, I used a hobby knife and cut around the curves in the part and the result was very satisfactory. Then I broke out the Com.Art paints for pin washes. These are acrylic also, but act very differently than standard model paints. The black and smoke colors I use are transparent and work well for a pinwash and panel wash. It's very easy to remove the stuff it there's too much. It also gives a kind of grainy texture that has me thinking of grime and lubricants. (I use “old oil” and gloss varnish to create oil stains.) And because it comes off, it's a good “aggressive” filter. I added a couple of different shades of green (some toward olive drab, others toward dark green) on broad surfaces. It's quite subtle. Then come the oils. Rinaldi uses oils a lot but not the way I'm used to. I've used oils to “dot fade” surfaces – put very small dots of oils on the model, wet a brush with spirits and pull down but don't really mix. Rinaldi uses it more like a paint. You use sepia, burnt umber, or yellow/black (that's mine – instant olive drab) and put it on to detract or emphasize a shadow and always look for a place to pull down for some streaking. It worked well. I finished the hull and turret with black, sepia and gray Com.Art streaks. I did some chipping, but very little. Here's what it looked like after the Rinaldi treatment and before pigments:

Time to look at the wheels and tracks. A while back I did a kit in the style of Tony Greenland who was one of the leading armor modelers about fifteen years ago. Tons of dry brushing, subtle metallic great emphasis of clean build. The guy made incredible models. But, outside of shading, he ignored weathering saying he modeled tanks but not the mud they fought in. It was about this time that Jimenez, Wilder and some others began the “Spanish school” which made evoking the “mud they fought in” a central part of AFV modeling. All to the good in my view even if it leads to some excess especially (again in my view) in chipping and shading. (Who's to say. A fine modeler on Armorama said the “real world” was boring and enjoyed putting WWII into technicolor. Rinaldi, to my eyes anyway, makes some of the most realistic armor models I've seen.) But Greenland and the Spanish agreed that the above the hull and below it should be treated as almost different models. And so I did.

Although the wheels were not put in place until late, they were painted carbon black like the entire tank below the fenders. (Made it easy to paint the black – I was actually painting the green instead.) A light base was put on but everything was very dark. Pigment time. I really like Rinald's approach to pigments. (It's actually very close to that used by Mig Jimenez in his acrylic weathering video noted above.) A kind gent on Armorama gave me a link to a 4X4 club in Normandy so I get get a nice look in modern color at the dirt and mud colors in the battlefield. Normandy is one of the most fertile areas in the temperate zone so the soil runs toward a lush brown. It's hot there in July but soil would be denser than that in the Ukraine. So we're looking at a dense soil that wouldn't look like wet mud but would certainly be visible. I used burnt umber, sienna and ocher Sennelier pigments (cut with some MIG Panzergrau) to build up a pigment surface underneath. To do this you use “fixer” - turpentine would do fine, but I had some MIG and used it to make progressive layers of different hues. To make things interesting you throw in some “fixed” with ISP (that's what MIG's “thinner for washes” is) – gives a different texture and color. Used something very similar on the wheels but also employed some acrylic resin as a fixer. Each wheel was weathered individually, one thing the camera doesn't pick up as well as I'd like. Along the way each got additional pinwashes, acrylic washes and oil washes. I painted the tracks with earth color acrylics and then built up a pigment layer. I wanted it to fill in most of the empty space but not to look like coarse mud. The photo below gives you an idea of what I was thinking of:

After the pigments went on I was pretty happy with the build. It was very tempting to call it a wrap especially as I'm looking a ship for the next project and they're never easy.

But couldn't leave it well enough alone even though many Cromwells fought with no additional camo of any kind. However, I was interested in the webbing wove with the “hessian tape” that appeared on many Brit photos. (Everyone used webbing of some kind.) There are lots of photos of the stuff and some brave attempt by modelers to evoke the effect by intermingling tape and bits of webbing. Unfortunately those techniques don't capture what the stuff looked like – but what did it look like? Best to start with what is for. From what I can tell the webbing has used above all to cover the vehicle while at rest to protect it from air reconnaissance or artillery spotters.

Sometimes it was left partially in place while the vehicle was running and then it broke the surface and created a camouflage effect. Here's a description I got from a kind gent on Armorama who apparently served with British forces in the Cold War:

“Having used many of these old 'soccer' style nets still being issued back in the 60's, we were often having to 'revamp' the scrim as the older nets, especially in WW2 were very spartan (thin) when it came to the strips provided within a new net. The added scrim strips were cut from old Burlap/sacking or undyed issued rolls. Then they were painted/dyed different colors and weaved into the netting to help and compliment the lackluster original. The key was that nothing was issued weaved in a universal straight line but in many twists and turns, almost cartwheel or zig zag style. Thickness was accomplished by folding when wrapping the net around the vehicle.”

So the stuff could be very loose or supplemented with extra cloth and turned into a gigantic sock. I think this Brit Sherman gives a very good look at what we want. Ditto with a post-war museum Comet:

As noted I wasn't impressed with the attempts to evoke the webbing. So I thought I'd put some webbing on the turret sides and the front so it would act as a camo in areas visible from the front and some of the side – areas I would have wanted distorted in Normandy where Tigers, Panthers, Panzer IV, Stugs, anti-tank guns, Panzerfausts and Panzerschrecks were found in abundance. Two web sites advised not using medical bandages so I bought some webbing from Verlinden. The stuff would work okay for a diorama, but the weave was so lose it disintegrated when cut. So I found a good medical bandage and soaked it in Com.Art and the results were perfectly good. I found it was easier to attach the web first and then apply the “tape” instead of doing that first. The nets would have been hung on wires or something that stuck out. I used matte medium for an adhesive because it was clear, matte and held on the webbing. However, it also allowed me to pluck out some threads to weave in the “tape.” Tamiya masking tape was recommended but I found it hard to maneuver and instead used very finely cut strips of cigarette rolling paper (haven't used that stuff in a few years) which is thin but very rugged. I painted it khaki before application but found it simple to touch it up with another shade that was darker than the netting but lighter than the tank. Sounds simple. Took three days. Here's what we had:

We could have called it a wrap here. But having already obscured a pretty good job of weathering with the web, I thought I'd obscure the web with foliage. Very few modelers put this stuff on. It is not easy, but especially in Europe where there were so many good places to hide, foliage of any and all kinds were used by all parties. (It was hardly unknown in Russia. The Germans had even greater reason to employ it if it could hide their vehicles or positions from Sturmoviks or feared allied “Jabos.”) I don't know how much good it would have done a tank in the open, but action during Normandy was frequently at point-blank range when units literally collided. In addition, for better or ill (mostly better once the allies learned to handle it) allied AFVs often found themselves on the defensive during one of the frequent and nasty German counter attacks. Foliage ran the range from zero to things almost bizarre. (I found a photo of a Panther disguised as a barn very effectively.) Here's a Cromwell crewed by nature lovers:

There's a boatload of foliage products created for model railroad fans and other craftspeople. There are also many ways to scratch a bush or tree. I didn't find anything I really liked. Instead I squandered $30 on two lifetime's supply of “Super Trees” by Scenic Express. You can check the stuff on YouTube but briefly it is dried arctic moss. Although I could have done things more rapidly, I took a couple dozen small pieces of Super Tree and primed them gray. Then I dipped them in a wash of ISP and India Ink, an idea I picked up on YouTube. Then I evoked leaves with coarse turf from Woodland Scenics. It took to Com.Art colors very well but I found it was too green. That wasn't necessarily bad. Normandy was one of the world's most fertile places and it was high summer. I've been looking at bushes and trees very closely the past few days and the range of greens – even on the same bush - is bewildering. I'd guess that tank crews used thick branches of large bushes instead of cutting branches off trees. Anyway I used three shades of green but found “burnt grass” to be the most convincing and it is the majority. I also used some ground herbs that looked like branches with drying leaves. All of this was glued with a dynamite product from Scenic Express that everyone should buy – SE “Matte Medium.” It's like a thin but very matte white glue. I thinned it and it would work great as a matte varnish or for changing the hue of any satin paint. For $5 you get 16 ounces – 5 gallon buckets are available for clubs. (Wonder what they do at those clubs?) Anyway, you get bits and pieces jammed into the webbing. Once that's accomplished you can simply glue in little bits of this and that anywhere. I intentionally left areas uncovered. I figured the gunners would want to see. I could think of no reason to put the stuff on top of the vehicle – indeed, an allied vehicle probably wanted that white star visible. Getting things started is tricky, but once you've got a base, things move quickly. Indeed, if I wanted I simply put large branches on if I wanted them and take them off it they bored me. The stuff behind the turret below is now off.

Overall I think the stuff looks pretty good. I've got a small army of late war German armor in the stash and I'm thinking of ways to emulate evergreens. I'm also going to get some leaf like material from Scenic Express – I would have liked it here, but this took long enough as it was. And I've some left over and it might come in handy.

Lastly I mixed some more pigments in with Tamiya A-20 thinner and gave the whole tank a little final dusting. I know a lot of modelers like to do that as an integral part of the weathering, but I think dust does a good job of emulating dust. And because it's thinned with A-20 it's easy to get some off. But there is no such thing as a tidy tank. Every tank at the front was dusty – every one.

Well, I threw everything at the wall and I hope some of it stuck. The one mistake I made, not for the first time, was not adjusting enough for scale. Weathering almost always darkens the vehicle. I don't think the problem is severe but I wish it was a little lighter. Live and learn.

Pics below.

Eric

 

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