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Dragon 1/35th Jagdpanther WiP

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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, May 4, 2015 9:51 AM

Thanks guys.

disaster, I rather like that pic myself, glad you like it. Though my favourite is the last one I posted, from the same end of the base but lower down. It makes me think of the sort of photo's a propaganda cameraman might get.

knox, thank you. I certainly don't consider myself a master model builder, but I am really pleased with the results I am getting. But most of that is down to the guys on here who are so happy to help with tips and advice. My model building, both aircraft and armour, has come on leaps and bounds in the last 7 years, far more than it did in the 20 or so years before. So if I can pass on a few ideas and a little inspiration, that's only right as I got so much from others.

As for being a scary bunch, its all that heavy metal that does it. Wink

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by knox on Monday, May 4, 2015 8:52 AM

 I hope you realize how inspired this piece looks to an average modeler like myself.  I may have said this before, but I think armor modelers are a scary bunch.  The collective wealth of knowledge, talent, patience, and the fact that I believe the willingness to deal with road wheels and tracks puts mental stability a little off center, makes for an intimidating mix :)   Beautiful build.                  knox

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, May 4, 2015 5:02 AM

 http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y435/100PercentVG/WORKSTATION/Animations/1_bigone110_zps5ba638cc.gif~originalGorgeous!

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/Bish_012/Jagdpanther/2015_04220010_zpslxx1bc1q.jpg~original

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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:21 PM

Suggestions like that are always welcome Karl, thanks again.

Thanks Johan. I have use that putty for Zimm before, but not that method of marking it. So with those 2, none working indy link tracks, and the weld marks for the removed tool brackets, that's 4 first's, not bad for one build I think.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:56 PM

Hi Bish,

You have brought this together in a very very convincing way!

How many new techniques did you deploy on this build, the Zimm, the trees....

Awesome work, thank you for your continues effort to share your work with us :)

Very Best Regards

Johan

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    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:35 PM

Bish, no problem--like I said, it was only a suggestion, and I like your reasons behind keeping what ya got. As I said, the whole scene is freakin' great the way it is!

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:44 AM

Thanks udel. I have a G2 as well, don't have to worry about zimm for that one. Hope to see some pics of yours soon.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by udel09 on Monday, April 27, 2015 10:28 PM

Bish- Looks great!  I have a Jagdpanther G2 in the stash and it has now moved to the top of the build list.

  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, April 27, 2015 2:21 PM

Thanks guys, it really is much appreciated, as are all the suggestions and advice during the build.

And thanks Karl. I just don't see the point of getting in a huff. I post these pics firstly so that other people can hopefully enjoy them, and maybe pick up a few ideas, but also so others cane give advice which all helps me improve.

As for the figure, ye, I do have that set. And I did give it some serious consideration to use one. But I decided it just didn't convey the story I was going for. I know the Germans did keep a look on the skies, but I wanted to give the idea of a vehicle tucked safely away where the crew could relax a bit and get their chores done, while the commander is away getting his orders, without have to worry about what was above. A few moments of respite during all the chaos in Normandy. And that figure at the side was very important from a personal perspective. When ever we used to park up our warriors, the first thing we would do is put the cam net up. But after that, it was down to me as the driver to take care of the vehicle before I sorted myself out, one of my jobs being to check the wheel and track nuts. So that figure is a little bit of me in the scene, if that makes sense.

I can certainly understand your point, and I know it might make sense, but I don't feel it would convey the image I am trying to get across.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by the doog on Monday, April 27, 2015 6:55 AM

Bish, that is a terrific scene! I think you captured a moment in time just perfectly. It has all the elements of a great composition. The model itself came out superbly. And kudos to you for having the spine to take critique, and to not stalk off in anger or just accept a mistake. You deserve all the credit!

I would offer only one more small suggestion. Dragon has a figure set called something like "Jabo's!"--basically it's a Panther crew in summer dress looking toward the skies checking for, or seeing airplanes. There's a great figure or two of a guy looking skyward. It might do a bit more to telegraph your narrative if you replaced the crew member there on the side of the JP with one looking up at the sky. I think the one guy us even shading his ryes. It would really set off the intent of what you're trying t o convey to the viewer. If you can't find the figure set, I believe I have it, and can donate a guy from it for you, but it's only a suggestion--not saying your. Did lacks anything without it. I think it's a home run!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dragon-Models-1-35-Achtung-Jaboi-Panzer-Crew-France-6191-NIB-/331320857627?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2443141b

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  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:44 PM

Oh, you finished it! [drooling]

That's .... .... .... beautiful.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:40 PM

Beautifully executed Bish!   Cool

I like the overall effect of the "pull through" scene, a very nice touch.

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:29 PM

Nice finish on this one Bish! The trees and camo are doing their job properly when it comes to the photos. Big Smile Always a challenge to get the light in but the pics look good from here. Yes

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  • From: Louisville, KY
Posted by pordoi on Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:10 PM

Bish,

Don't have a lot of time tonight to comment, so I'll just say  YesBow DownYes

Don

  • Member since
    December 2003
  • From: Colorado
Posted by psstoff995 on Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:06 PM

Wow! Awesome little scene, the trees really came out well. Looks well camouflaged

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by jibber on Sunday, April 26, 2015 5:23 PM

Thats beautiful work Bish, your dio's are really expressive and that Jag is so impressive. Fantastic weathering and paint, the figures and trees are done perfectly and all the time and effort has really paid off.

Well done Bish

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:40 PM

Time to wrap this one up. To finish off the vehicle, I sprayed some AK interactive effects, starting with Dark earth, then earth then earth mixed with a little dust effects. Along the side skirts, I sprayed upwards with a fine spray at a low pressure.

 

Then it was time to bring everything together. The base was covered with celluclay, while still weight I used the vehicle to make an imprint of where it would sit. I also used some spare track links to make impressions behind the vehicle.  The base was then covered with an assortment of ground cover and the trees were finished off. Once all set, I then added some left over celluclay into the vehicle tracks, the vehicle was then pushed into place, being held firm by the celluclay, and behind it I added some more ground cover and used the spare tracks links again to leave the impression where the vehicle had driven into place. The figures were added, all masterbox, along with a tool box and a few water bottles. I would have liked to add a couple of jackets hanging up on the vehicle, but unfortunately I don't have anything suitable and I am not even sure if there is anything on the market like that. I think I might have to look into seeing if I can make my own, now there's a challenge.

Overall, I am really pleased with the finish of the vehicle. I am rather happy with how the trees have turned out as well for a first attempt. But of course there is room for improvement. Doping three for a first attempt might have been a bit ambitious, but I wanted to give the impression of the Jagd hiding away from the prying eyes of allied aircraft while the crew did some vehicle upkeep.

So here are the final pics. One problem I had not considered was the problem of trying to get good pics with the trees blocking the light, but hopefully it gives a good impression of a vehicle hiding in a wood.

Thanks all for following along and for the great feedback as always. And especially thanks for Karl for the perseverance. It would have been all to easy just to throw your hands in the air and say fine, do it your way.

All comments welcome as always.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:15 PM

Thanks Bill. I just got it wrapped up today so going to post some pics later.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:06 PM

Looks like everything is coming together nicely Bish! JP's looking like it's ready to play in the dirt/mud for the scene and the trees are also looking good. Hat's off to you for that alone, always a challenge to get trees to look realistic! Beer

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    January 2013
Posted by jibber on Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:52 AM

Fantastic job Bish, I'm loving everything on it, the closer I look the better it gets. All the detail especially  on that Zimmerit has really paid off. I know its only a part of the build but those tracks and wheels are especially nice.  

Terry

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, April 20, 2015 3:46 PM

Thanks guys.

Disaster, believe me, its always appreciated.

I was a bit worried about the tree's, I know the woodland scenic stuff is mainly designed for small scale railways and doesn't always work in larger scales, mixing it with other stuff does help.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 19, 2015 8:53 PM

Got nothing but good things to say about it, Bish! And that tree looks so real I wanna climb it!

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, April 19, 2015 6:14 PM

Great,

 Good enough for me!

                          http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/happy/im-happy-smiley-emoticon.gif only trying to help.

    

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:37 PM

Thanks disaster. I have actually used the Vallejo steel on those areas. On past builds I used the Xtracolour steel, but wanted to try an acrylic one as the xtracolour doesn't stand up to oil washes. The Xtracolour has a much brighter silver finish, but I do think the Vallejo gives a much better rendition of the appearance of the worn surface of the track, at least how I remember it. It just doesn't show very well on the pictures, but it is there, honest Wink

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: On my kitchen counter top somewhere in central North Carolina.
Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:30 PM

 http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/yellow-hd/embarrassed-smile-smiley-emoticon.gifFor this fine quality build, the silvering shine associated with the inner road wheel/track contact area, along with the wear/silvering where the track guide horns would rub against the back of the outer road wheels would be a big plus - even a dirty panther would show at least slight evidence of that; however, it's your choice.

 This wear pattern is a distinctive feature for the Panther series and would be a simple yet distinguishing addition to your Jagdpanther.        

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 Very convincing results. I like it a lot.

                                                                            

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:08 PM

Thanks guys, it got there in the end.

Johan, I see that kit comes with the two piece barrel. Interesting, I have the late version, but not this one, I do want to get all three, but thought I would have to get an AM barrel. Thanks for that.

Any plans to build it.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    April 2005
  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:04 PM

Hi Bish,

This is coming down very nicely!

Excellent job all over and very inspirig.

Had a faint memory that a JP was washing arround somewhere in the stash and found thi

Looks as if I purchased this back in 2011 while working in Taiwan.

Thank you for sharing.

Very Best Regards

Johan

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:44 AM

Camo and weathering went down real nice.

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 19, 2015 8:40 AM

I have had a couple of issues to deal with in the build which have put me back a bit, hence the delay in an update. The first was self inflicted and shows one of the draw backs of using oil washes over an enamel paint. I failed to do a proper job when adding the future coat and I completely neglected the rear decks. So when I added the oil wash, the whole deck peeled and had to be stripped and completely re painted. That the second time this has happened, so hopefully i'll learn the lesson this time.

If any of you follow Bill Plunk's build's, much of what follows might look familiar. While doing my armour builds over the last few years, I have been trying different approach's to achieve the results I am after. A few builds ago, I settled on using the same approach as Bill, with a few tweaks. I have found that method to be easy to follow and remember and it does bring great results. I have had to refine things a bit, my last couple of armour builds were more heavily weathered than I had planned. So I have now ditched the over all spray of thinned dark yellow to blend the camo in and used a much thinner over all wash, and the end result is looking to be just what I was after.

I won't go into great detail on the stages as Bill has done it before and does it better than me, but I will say that the main differences are that I do one dry brush before the future coat and oils, and I use oil paints instead of enamels for the wash and dot filtering. My pugments are also a bit heavier and I often add some mud, but keep in mind I am building a dio not a stand alone model.

So, what did I actually get done. After the paint and markings were on, I did one dry brush using MiG oils. This was followed by an over all wash of raw umber, and finally I have the right level of thinner to paint ratio to avoid getting a to heavily weathered finished. This was followed by a dot filter and a pin wash.

 The tracks also got some attention with a dry brush of Vallejo steel followed by a raw umber oil wash. 

 I then moved onto adding some pigments. I used MiG pigments mixed with water and a drop of washing up liquid, the excess is later removed with a stiff

 The same was done to the lower hull and road wheels.

 With this done, I fitted the wheels and tracks, added the side skirts, which had also received an oil wash and dot filtering, and started fitting the tools.

 

Now I just need to add the last of the tools, finish and fit the exhausts and touch up some of the tool brackets before the final weathering.  This will be some more pigments, a little mud and some streaks and dirt using AK effects fluids.

The other issue I had was with the trees. I needed to bulk them out with branches and twigs to attach the foliage to. My first thought was to use sea moss, but it really didn't take to be glued to the branches. I did try drilling holes into the branches, but keeping in mind these are made of metal wire, that didn't work either, which I realised after breaking one of my brand new drill bits. And even if it did, it was going to take an age to do the whole thing.

I was on the verge of leaving the trees and maybe using them for a future build, but then I stumbled across a build on the IPMS Stockholm site. Funnily enough, it was of a Jagdpanther of the 654th, and the guy had used rubberized horse hair, of which I have quite a bit, and then added the foliage to that. So, I gave that a try. He had clearly added his trees to the base after the main assembly and painting but before adding the horse hair, but I wanted to try one out off the base first, just in case I didn't like it. Of course, mine didn't turn out as good as the ones in the pics, funny how that always happens isn't it, but I do like it, though I think I added a bit to much horse hair. Once its fully secure, I will thin it out a bit and tidy it up, as my other half said, it does look a bit straggly.

For the foliage I have used some herbs and woodland scenic fine turf.

Sorry for the cluttered pic, but this was done in the shed to avoid to much mess in the house and avoid moving it around to much.

 Then this morning, this and the two bare trees were added to the base. I had to patch up and spray the large tree again. I did think this morning that if I want to use tile grout in future, it might be worth adding the wire frame to the base and then adding the grout, as most of the damage come from handling and moving it around.

 

I will be adding the celluclay later today, then while that's drying I can touch up the trees and start adding the horse hair and foliage.  

I need to try and get a move on with this as I would like to take the completed dio to the next model club meeting, a week on Tues, so I need to pull my finger out this week.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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