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What do these German abbreviations mean?
Posted by JMorgan on Friday, March 13, 2015 3:26 PM

PzKpfw IV Ausf. H?

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Posted by iroquois1963 on Friday, March 13, 2015 4:08 PM

panzerkampfwagen 4 model H .

panzer = tank

kampf = fight

wagen = car

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 13, 2015 4:46 PM

PzK.pfw is, as pointed out, the abbreviation for panzerkampfwagen, the literal translation being Armoured Fighting Vehicle. The Ausf is for Ausfuhrung, or Model.

The PzK.pfw designation was only given to tanks.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, March 13, 2015 5:07 PM

Sdkfz:

Sonder Kraft Fahr Zeug.

Special powered travelling thing.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:48 AM

Panzer doesn't mean tank, it means armor. Tank was a ruse used by the British to disguise their new armored fighting vehicle by telling casual observers that the vehicle was a mobile water tank.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:54 AM

My Chevette's license plate read "Sdkfz-1" back in the 1980s, lol. I got it as a "custom" plate.

My Uncle Ted once asked me "What--did you get the most random assortment of letters you could think of so the cops can't remember it when they see it?" lol

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:17 PM

LOLS!

My father-in-law wouldn't have let you park in his driveway.

I had a little old BMW 1602 car with the plate FW-190.

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, March 14, 2015 5:29 PM

Shoulda put "P-51" on my Mustang....

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 14, 2015 6:23 PM

the doog

My Chevette's license plate read "Sdkfz-1" back in the 1980s, lol. I got it as a "custom" plate.

My Uncle Ted once asked me "What--did you get the most random assortment of letters you could think of so the cops can't remember it when they see it?" lol

My VW Rabbit had a totally random license plate number SR 747. I would often get asked what type of airplane it was. I guess the SR-71 and a Boeing 747 could be combined?

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:31 PM

Rob Gronovius

the doog

My Chevette's license plate read "Sdkfz-1" back in the 1980s, lol. I got it as a "custom" plate.

My Uncle Ted once asked me "What--did you get the most random assortment of letters you could think of so the cops can't remember it when they see it?" lol

My VW Rabbit had a totally random license plate number SR 747. I would often get asked what type of airplane it was. I guess the SR-71 and a Boeing 747 could be combined?

I'm picturing some sort of Lockheed Skunk Works SST, like the Concorde only jet black and much more badass Wink

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Monday, March 16, 2015 3:28 PM

GMorrison

Sdkfz:

Sonder Kraft Fahr Zeug.

Special powered travelling thing.

Actually, it's Special Purpose Vehicle.......

Just my two cents worth.Big Smile

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 16, 2015 3:33 PM

Sure, but mine is the literal translation of the elements of the compound word.

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:23 AM

Tag-along question: In what order did the German Ausf (model) letters go?

I am pretty sure it was not alphabetical.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:29 AM

iraqiwildman

Tag-along question: In what order did the German Ausf (model) letters go?

I am pretty sure it was not alphabetical.

I know the Panther D was the initial model to be followed by the Panther A but were there more examples of this? 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:37 AM

iraqiwildman

Tag-along question: In what order did the German Ausf (model) letters go?

I am pretty sure it was not alphabetical.

 

It was in most cases. The Panther and Tiger's were more exceptions to the rule.

In the case of the Panther it was D, A and G. For the Tiger, H, E and B.

I can't think of any others.

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Posted by T26E4 on Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:52 AM

The Marder III (ausf ∅, H, M)

The 15cm Grille (ausf H, K/M)

There are  a few books on these -- the ausf designation is probably discussed in those.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:11 PM

Ye, forgot those ones. Thanks Roy.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:17 PM

T26E4

The Marder III (ausf ∅, H, M)

The 15cm Grille (ausf H, K/M)

There are  a few books on these -- the ausf designation is probably discussed in those.

On the Marder, the H Stands for "Hinter" (engine in the rear) and the M stands for "Mitte"  (engine in the middle).

Same for the Grille.

As for the Panther and the Tiger,

The Panther D was sort of a "pre-production" variant, then the Panther A was actually the 1st "mass produced" variant.

The Tiger 1 was a similar situation also.

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, March 20, 2015 2:48 PM

that makes sense.  Thnx  -- didn't know that!

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, March 22, 2015 11:46 AM

Tiger I Ausf H stood for Henschel, the manufacturer that was in competition with Porsche for the heavy tank. That's why the version that has the suspension similar to the Elefant/Ferdinand was the Tiger I Ausf P for Porsche. The Ausf H was later standardized and given the designation Ausf E once it won the competition.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:09 PM

You have to remember this is the same culture numbered Beethoven's works "Opus" during his lifetime, Bach's as "BWV" and Mozart's as "Kerkel", both posthumously.

I knew a guy in a VW car club who was in the Wehrmacht, in telemetry, who was evacuated from Stalingrad a couple of months before it fell. He always maintained that they lost the war because of a 16 digit part numbering system that made requisition of things nearly impossible.

Probably not the real reason, but I found it amusing.

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:54 PM

That's more than amusing......it's downright hilarious. I think we're in the same situation here with our federal stock numbering system.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:00 PM

And I thought the 13 number NSN was bad.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:30 PM

So, of course, everything has both a NSN and a FSN

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:21 PM

Sign suggestion for your display at next show:

"Achtung!  Das model ist nicht für gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben.  Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen der hands in der pockets  und relaxen."

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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