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1/35 Jagdpanzer IV L/70, 3rd PLACE. State IPMS

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:16 AM

Neat idea, essentially you have reverted the bread back into dough form.  I remember my mom teaching me this when I a youngster, though she had no special name for it - old European recipe for play doh?

The only thing I'd suggest is be mindful of the sandbag form, as one end should be tied off.  You can get away with the 'pillow' shapes when they overlap, but on those that can be clearly seen both sides, should introduce that extra detail on a few.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:02 AM

Bish, my friend.

Yeah, I really like how they look., plus you can model them into anything. Dont have to buy a resin or plastic sandbag kit specifically for a kit or model. make as many as u want/need for basically free.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:57 AM

Missile, you are more than welcome, I hope it is useful for you.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:55 AM

Sackgasse. completely right, this has been in use for decades. As you mentioned, they last forever!!.

They do not shrink, create mold. smell or anything.

Yes, it varies from country to country, some call it, cold clay, salt clay, cold porcelain, etc..

On the tall grass, I may have called it wrong, it may be wheat or something else that tall...I like your suggestion on using branches ,  yes I will use some....in another dio...but now these are so tied by the wire that it is going to be a nightmare to take them off....so I will just leave them...lets call it experiment 101. Big Smile

I found a photo of something similar being used.. in Montecassino. See the ones next to the tree.

Thanks for taking the time on the comments, they are appreciated and helps me improve.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:43 AM

GMorrisson, dont worry, trust me, once sealed it does not smells like bread, feels or looks like bread. Is solid as a rock...give it try.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:42 AM

Rbaer, yes, they do not shrink that much...it is not noticeable at least from what I experienced.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:41 AM

Karl, yes, this is a very common handcraft there are tons of videos on youtube.

Is not that I invented this, but just remember I may use this technique while eating a subway. Who has not played with the bread crumbs in making a dice.

I really think this is the best way to make sandbags, again NON toxic or awfuol chemical smells. Even if someone eats it by mistake, Im sure is safer than someone accidentaly eating epoxy.

You can then paint it, sand it, etc..

Thanks Karl for your comments !! yes, I may submit this tip to FSM... already had 2 published Embarrassed

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  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:35 AM

Oldgoat, yep, give it try...it works very well for sandbags

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:46 PM

Those sandbags do look good. And thanks for the explanation.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Missile on Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:34 PM

Great build. Thanks for the dot filter demo and the cheap sandbags demo. Will have to try them both on an upcoming build.

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Posted by Sackgasse on Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:09 PM

Funny, we have "Trolldeg" which is a similar thing:

Wheat Meal

Salt (loads, this is also called salt doe)

Water

White Glue

Food Oil

I think I have some Chrismas Tree decoration that I did back in the late 60ies and be assured they do not attrack any attention by the house cat, fly or mice.

Never thought of bringing this into plastic modeeling but you are right of course, great idea :)

Very good job with the JP, the tank looks great after the dot filter.

And the sandbags look convincing.

Not 100% convinced by the tall grass though. maybe use some tree branches?

Zack

Happy Modeling! Cool

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:25 AM

Oh Hugo! At least put the thing in a sealed clear case. Otherwise the mice WILL come for you!

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Dripping Springs, TX, USA
Posted by RBaer on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:14 AM

I just learned something totally new. I'd be willing to bet that with vaseline in the mix, shrinkage would be minimal.

Apprentice rivet counter.

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 7:01 PM

Ahh, so....I see. You are basically infusing the bread with glue in order to stop any aeration which might cause a biological reaction later on. IN effect, neutralizing it. Very interesting. The idea of molding them over the actual tank by using cellophane wrap is very cool.

Very brave too, lol. I don't think I would try it though because of bad experiences in using food products as modeling substitutes. Thank you though, sincerely, for taking the time and effort to detail and photograph the process! That's what this forum is all about!

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Posted by OldGoat on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 7:00 PM

Nice, I'm going to have to try that.

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Posted by garzonh on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:44 PM

Sure Karl, here you go, my friend.

OK, so here is the recipe....this technique is used  a lot, specially by women and children since its a very safe and non toxic material, cheap, and that will last forever. In Mexico is called "migajon" or bead crumbs.

  1. Materials: 
    1. white bread. You can also use whats left from the inside of baguettes, just make sure is plain white bread.
    2. Two tablespoons of baby oil.
    3. Two tablesppons of white glue, I think is also called wood glue.
    4. One teaspoon of vaseline
    5. One shot of lime...you can  actually have two and have a shot of tequila... Beer

By tthe way... I'm using expired bread. There are stores in Mexico where they sell almost to expire bread (1-2 days) at 50% off.

So, cut all the sides of the bread. you only need the white stuff.

Then cut again the bread to make smull chunks of bread.

Then with your hands, jus grind it to make a finer bread...I guess you can use the mixer but I have not tried it. it should look like this afterwards:

Now, add the lime juice, baby oil, white glue and vaseline...

And now, just mix with your bare hands...just as if you are making cookies or a cake...keep mixing...you know it is done when you get the same kind of texture as cookie dough...also your hands should be clean without any residues....you can add more white glue if its not "stiking"... DO NOT USE WATER!!.

you can use this modeling bread to model anything!!....if its too much and you dont use it...just put it in a sealed container like a ziploc bag...and put in fridge,,it could last upto 10 - 15 days so you dont have to hurry on using it.

Now,, how do I made the sand bags...

Roll the dough and make worms...the "fatter" the worm, the bigger and "sandy" the bags will be. I used my tank to figure out a "human" manageable sandbag.

Now use a popsicle stick and push down the roll , this will flat down the roll.

Now with the same stick, cut the sandbags with the side, this will make nice bags...

While the dough is still soft, I posed the bags in the tanks and make also a pile and line, use your imagination and thinking how a heavy bag would conform to the surrounding and gravity. I used a plastic sheet to protect the tank.

I used the tip of the Xacto tool to make the texture of the bags..,before cutting into smaller pieces.

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Finally, dont move them..let them air dry for 24 to 48 hours..

I then made a mix of white glue and water 50-50 to make a wash...use a brush and apply the wash over your pieces. This is why I used a plastic bag to protect the tank. It will serve as bonding agent and a final sealer. After another 24 hours, you can then move the pieces...this subassemblies are easier to manipulate and paint. 

I painted them with a primer of dak and red brown with the airbrush, then used raw umber oils and made a wash and applied, finally I made a lighter oil color of the base and gave some highlights...

There you gooo..... non toxic modelling clay and very very cheap. Of course I would not recommend using it as dio ground base, but it is very useful for this small type of things,

I also made a couple of rocks I will use in the dio.

Yes

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  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 6:07 PM

Yep Ixion...I know what u mean...my dio however is a "last stand" setting...so no need to drive at that point of time...howver thanks for pointing that out.

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Posted by Ixion on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:15 PM

Don't block your driver's vision port though! Blind Fold

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:08 PM

garzonh

Hi Jack.

heheh...yep I got carried away....again...damn.... when will I be able to build a OOB with no weathering??

And yes, there are lots of additives but no, Im using a proven technique.

OK, so it looks great, but in the spirit of what this forum is about, I ask you to share this "bread" method. If nothing else, convince me that you're not crazy for taking this approach. Propeller Seriously though, I'm sure everyone following this thread wants to know. Smile

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Posted by garzonh on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:04 PM

Hey...so here they are...I finished the sandbags...the front line of bags will be used on the dio as well as the ones stacked up. I like how they look and it cost me probably 10 cents to have around 40 to 50 sandbags, which you can pose, paint as you want.

Again, made with bread....!!  NO, it will not rot or create mold...they are hard as a rock and sealed forever.

Let me know if you want to see the step by step recipe....Geeked

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:53 PM

Hi Jack.

heheh...yep I got carried away....again...damn.... when will I be able to build a OOB with no weathering??

And yes, there are lots of additives but no, Im using a proven technique.

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:19 AM

Looking good, creative juices certainly are a flowing.

Interesting idea about the bread, but who knows with all the preservatives they add theses days?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:34 AM

heheh... dont worry Karl, trust me....it will aaaaalll be OK.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, June 29, 2015 7:47 PM

Interesting and very creative, Hugo! The paint and weathering really look good!

I have to tell you with absolute seriousness, DO NOT make sandbags from bread! You should never, NEVER use organic materials for modeling--stuff like baking soda, spices, etc. I can almost guarantee that your sandbags will wind up as "yeast bags" in a few months or less. Also, they will attract insects and bugs. Use putty instead. It's just not worth the risk!

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  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Monday, June 29, 2015 7:12 PM

Helloooo everybody.

OK, so I have decide how I want my dio...but first, I have to finish the tank. So, It is now completed!!!...almost.. Indifferent I'm in the process of doing some scratchbuilt sandbags made from.. bread... yes..bread. So far, they look good, Im waiting for it to dry to start painting them.

I finished the weathering and also scratchbuilt barbed wired, and attached it to the tank with more wire. Let me know if you want to know how to make one.

The purpose of the wire is to prevent infantry from escalating from side, plus a more a psychological mean look...also created some improvised tall grass attached to the tank for some cammo...

Hope you like it.... Embarrassed ..sorry for the bad pics...

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:01 AM

tojo72, thanks!..I've done so much more progress and looks even better. My wife said "it is too whitey.." so I took some off. I hope to have some recent photos by end of this week.

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:59 AM

feldgrau23, so sad.... well, for me I'm not really that attached to them. I would really like to donate them to museums or such, but there are really not many "war" museums in Mexico and my building skills are not so that good enough as to export them.. I have thought on selling them online...but also the prices to get at least the cost of the goods would be too high for here. Im really running out of space so not sure what will be of my collection.

So, what did you do to them?

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:06 PM

nice job on that oil dot fading,looks real good

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Posted by Raualduke on Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:21 PM

Looks great. Nice job

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Posted by feldgrau23 on Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:41 AM

garz not on here but I might have one on my laptop. The more I think about it I hope I didn't toss the model when we made our last move. Due to moving into a smaller house I had to get rid of some of my builds. Hated to do it but unfortunately it had to be done.

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