Decals/markings are easy to change.  I usually end up making my own as opposed to using kit ones anyways.

just saw a closeup art work of ACADEMY M60A2 from 3-32AR. OOPS, BIG OOPS.

3-32AR did not have A2s. 1-32AR in Friedberg 3de Bde had the first battalion and 3-33AR in Kirch-Goens 1st Bde had the other battalion in 3AD. 2-32AR and 3-32AR were also in 1st bde but had A1s. they used information from some museum that has one of these. guess i will have to make my own for C-16 3-33AR.

stikpusher

I am pretty sure that 11th ACR had A2s. I could swear that I have come across a few photos, but they could be mislabeled. But 2nd ACR is a big goose egg so far on my web searching.

I guess not... I saw the photos on this site and did not read it all the way thru...

http://www.eaglehorse.org/3_home_station/so_long_schweinfurt/so_long_schweinfurt.htm

looks like it will be a standard MERDC for the A2 when I finally get one...

But then its exposed to the elements and hazards, so more prone to damage and wear. ;)

stikpusher

Thrifty? Frugal? ;)

From a maintenance  standpoint, I suspect the Brit style is quicker & easier to change when needing replacement.

Ok, that sounds better, lets go with more practical.

Thrifty? Frugal? ;)

From a maintenance  standpoint, I suspect the Brit style is quicker & easier to change when needing replacement.

stikpusher

Reaper420

I just have a question guys, and please forgive my ignorance, but what are the wrappings around the barrel of the chieftain for? I've noticed a lot of modern British tanks, including the challenger have them as well? What function do they serve?

The Brits use a "soft" thermal wrap set up, essentially a insulation blanket of sorts held in place by straps. US, German, Soviet/Russian, and most other countries thermal sleeves are kept in place on the gun tube in a hard metal outer sleeve instead of the straps used by the Brits. Compare the gun tube on a M60A1 to that on a M60A3 or M1 (not A1 or A2). They all used the same 105mmmain gun, but the M60A3 and the M1 both had the thermal wrapped sleeve version.

In other words, we are to cheap to put it in a metal outer sleeve.

Reaper420

I just have a question guys, and please forgive my ignorance, but what are the wrappings around the barrel of the chieftain for? I've noticed a lot of modern British tanks, including the challenger have them as well? What function do they serve?

I am pretty sure that 11th ACR had A2s. I could swear that I have come across a few photos, but they could be mislabeled. But 2nd ACR is a big goose egg so far on my web searching.

Wayne, was that soda, or "soda"?

I remember Rob G. once posted something about there being something like138 places on an M 60 to open a bottle of beer.

Those look pretty cool to me Karl, nice to see a different scheme from the usual.

i don't think either cav unit had A2s. when i was in in the initial deployment 3AD had 2 battalions and 1AD had 2 battalions. we never called them Starships though i can see where it came from.

another tidbit. i was on range 79 at Graf watching one of the tank company commanders engaging a target over 2000m away. the HE round was so slow that, even with an automatic mechanical breach, he got the second round in the air before the first impacted. not very accurate but a hit at that range was on the top of the target and a definite kill.

must be having flashbacks from  sitting behind a truck earlier today and smelling diesel exhaust, 

GMorrison

Very interesting, Wayne. I am also getting in to Cold War armor. I really hope one or more of you get that A2 and build it here.

i have a stash of JGSDF, Korean, PLA, Bundeswehr, Canadian, IDF, even some Russian and American. lot of trucks and warwheels plus modern ADA. think i have more Bundeswehr than WW2 German.. assuming decent kit reviews i will get the A2 and use markings for C16 which was my tank.

PS you could fit 2 soda cans in each grenade launcher tube. just tie a string to the pop tab to pull it out.

GMorrison

Reaper420

I just have a question guys, and please forgive my ignorance, but what are the wrappings around the barrel of the chieftain for? I've noticed a lot of modern British tanks, including the challenger have them as well? What function do they serve?

It's a thermal wrapping. It reduces the IR signature, and I think it probably somewhat absorbs radar return.

the thermal shrouds on the barrel spread out the heat. if the gun is over the back deck the bottom of the tube will get hotter than the top, likewise hot sun on top. this will affect accuracy bu causing gun droop though at 2000m with an APFSDS round going 5000 fps the distortion is probably insignificant.

HeavyArty

hard stripe

I was not there but have seen form others that  where that the 150mm (?) scared the hell out of the enemy but the terrain beat the hell out the 551 & maintaince was a nightmare.

Yes, the Sheridan did not do well in Vietnam or after.  Its gun was the same 152mm gun/missile launcher as on the M60A2.  A good concept, just way ahead of its time.

yes the third road wheel would leave the ground. and the recoil really screwed up the missile system. but 232 of them on line firing 152mm canister would clear a path in the jungle easily

Reaper420

I just have a question guys, and please forgive my ignorance, but what are the wrappings around the barrel of the chieftain for? I've noticed a lot of modern British tanks, including the challenger have them as well? What function do they serve?

Thanks, guys, glad you dig 'em! :)

Karl, really nice. I don't think they are too big. You split your in thirds vertical, the one in the photo (who knows if it's accurate) has a single split 50/50. I think you did really well, it looks like it should and the colors are right on.

I kind of miss the old days when a Squadron "in action" book was a valued possession, you went to the library or museums and counted on restorations. But the www is an incredible learning tool.

Very interesting, Wayne. I am also getting in to Cold War armor. I really hope one or more of you get that A2 and build it here.

stikpusher

While the M60A2 may not have lived up to expectations, it was operational, for longer and in greater numbers than many "panzer" subjects.

I can't wait for the A2. I was in the second tank battalion in Europe to get these; 3-33AR 1st BDE 3AD in Kirch-Goens. I got there in January '75 and we were issued our tanks in August at Vilseck. They were different and had a lot of potential but the army, at least when i was in, kept the battalion together (with cross attaching from 3-36 INF to form combined arms company teams) instead of splitting the A32s up to provide long ranch overwatch the the A1 units. Loading the missile was fun to watch and the M-85 HMG in the cupola was mounted upside down with right hand feed, also amusing to watch.

Trumpeter SA-8 GECKO which should be as big as the SS-23. SPIDER and both Dragon and Trumpeter are coming out with a HEMMT PATRIOT.

so 3 on the buy list plus the Takom twin 128mm FLAK and the Tiger Model AMX-10RC. guess i better sell some planes, boats, and ww2 stuff.

Sweet! Yeah, good ole pre Internet... It's amazing how much information we now have at our fingertips...

Bish

stikpusher

Bish

While these ain't my cup of tea, its certainly nice to see some more modern stuff. Even I think there are a few to many Tiger's and the like.

C'mon Bish... doesnt this scheme call out to you?

I don't know what those guys have been putting into the Tea, but I want some.

That would be pretty cool GM, please keep us posted if you go though with this.

Good ole Berlin! Yeah, an M38 would be perfect.

Thank you, Gino.

Stik it's for my diorama.

http://www.senzafili.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Checkpoint-Charlie-Oct-1961.jpg

GMorrison

Thank you green army men. The round fendered one (or two).

You want the M38A1 or M38A1C by AFV Club (or Skybow, same kit) then.  They are pretty readily available on eBay and other sites.

M38A1

AFV Club boxing

Old Skybow boxing

M38A1C w/106mm RR

AFV Club boxing

Old Skybow boxing

Thank you green army men. The round fendered one (or two).

hard stripe

I was not there but have seen form others that  where that the 150mm (?) scared the hell out of the enemy but the terrain beat the hell out the 551 & maintaince was a nightmare.

Yes, the Sheridan did not do well in Vietnam or after.  Its gun was the same 152mm gun/missile launcher as on the M60A2.  A good concept, just way ahead of its time.