Well, I think the 12.8 is cooler looking. Do I need a 'real' reason though?

No, I've already gone through the "real" reasons, primarily wherever or not the Waffentragers in question have a Friul counterpart. Just go on the aesthetic qualities.

12.8cm Waffentrager:

modelcrazy

12.8cm Waffentrager:

 

Just to run this by you really fast, the PaK 44 wouldn't count for an artillery GB, would it?

Moff

Just to run this by you really fast, the PaK 44 wouldn't count for an artillery GB, would it?

No sorry, anti tank gun.

What's a Waffletiger??

Darn it, are there no AT GBs?

I'm going to have to go with the 12.8 too.

I admit, I had to google it to see what it was. Curse you Moff, now I have to buy another model for the stash! 

M. Brindos

What's a Waffletiger??

 

Certain people think that "Waffen" sounds like "waffle". Hence "Waffle Maker", "Waffle Tractor", and so on (I don't get "Waffle Tiger", though, since the Waffentrager was not based off the Tiger. However, you'll notice that no one jokes about the Waffen SS. 

hogfanfs

Curse you Moff, now I have to buy another model for the stash! 

 

Apparently I'm good at doing that. 

Soory about that. Had all of my upper teeth removed this morning and I was a little loopy earlier.

So these are based on the 85(t) chassis? This sounds intriguing.

M. Brindos

Soory about that. Had all of my upper teeth removed this morning and I was a little loopy earlier.

So these are based on the 85(t) chassis? This sounds intriguing.

 

Ouch, sorry about your teeth.

Like I said before, they are based off the 38t, but some have too many wheels. The wheels look like 38t wheels, but there are too many (twelve wheels on the 12.8 PaK 44 Waffentrager as opposed to eight wheels on the Pzkpfw. 38t). I don't know if that would be considered the same chassis or what.

Again, sorry. [85(t) ???] Trying to keep my thoughts straight.

So which models should I be looking up to see what this thing looks like? Excuse my fuzziness. lol

I assume the Krupp Steyr has an 88mm?

And the 12.8 of course has the 12.8cm monster gun...

I have to wonder how well that worked. I read about an attempt to mount a 90mm gun on an M18 Hellcat. They had to put the tank destroyer in neutral to fire the gun and the whole vehicle rolled backward over a yard/metre with the recoil. 

PS: Ouch Mike, hope you feel better. I had one front tooth knocked out by an airbag when I was in an accident about a year ago- not fun at all.

That is quite a gun for such a small chasses.

Mike,
I've had 2 teeth pulled, 1 at a time. I can't imagine what you’re going through. You have my sympathy sir.

M. Brindos

Again, sorry. [85(t) ???] Trying to keep my thoughts straight.

So which models should I be looking up to see what this thing looks like? Excuse my fuzziness. lol

 

Mike, it translates as Weapons carrier. Essentially, the bare basics of a vehilce with a gun, usually an existing AT gun, stuck on top.

38(t) refers to a Czech tank that the Germans took into service.

38(t) was the German designation, the (t) reffering to its country of origin, in German of course.

@Gamera: 

I assume it is an 8.8, if you compare it with the Tiger it looks like the same gun. And as far as recoil goes, wouldn't that be what the artillery-style ground clamps/legs are for?

M. Brindos

Again, sorry. [85(t) ???] Trying to keep my thoughts straight.

So which models should I be looking up to see what this thing looks like? Excuse my fuzziness. lol

 

M. Brindos

Again, sorry. [85(t) ???] Trying to keep my thoughts straight.

So which models should I be looking up to see what this thing looks like? Excuse my fuzziness. lol

 Here's doogs take on it.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/144480.aspx?page=1

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Moff

@Gamera: 

I assume it is an 8.8, if you compare it with the Tiger it looks like the same gun. And as far as recoil goes, wouldn't that be what the artillery-style ground clamps/legs are for?

 

Right, you'd probably need the spade in the back. Although with the photo Bish posted I'd be afraid firing from the side like that would flip the whole thing over! 

Thanks for the link there DM, I sorta remembered Karl doing something like that but three years ago- I can barely remember what I did yesterday... 

Gamera

Right, you'd probably need the spade in the back. Although with the photo Bish posted I'd be afraid firing from the side like that would flip the whole thing over! 

 

Another question for everyone...if I were to add figures to the Waffentrager, what branch of the service should I add? Sturmartillerie, Panzerwaffe, what? I'm sure by 1946 the Germans could have cared less about appearances, but just as a starting point, what would be the correct branch or sub-branch of the military for the Waffentragers?

Bish

I would go for Anti Tank units. Rose pink, same as tank crew.

 

Sorry, could you clarify there? What is rose pink? 

Rose pink is the Waffenfarbe colour worn by panzer troops, AT troops and other. Sorry, I assumed that what you were trying to find out for the figures as that would be the main indication of the branch of service.

Or are you thinking of the actual uniform colour, as this would be different.

Just to elaborate on what Bish said (hope I'm not stepping on any toes!) the uniform as a tank destroyer unit would be a tank uniform but in field grey instead of black. The piping or trim on the collar tabs would be pink.

Or so I understand, Bish or someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

As far as I know, that is correct. Same uniform, but field grey.

Affirmative, thanks to all three of you.