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Oil dot filter on olive drab
Posted by JerB on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 7:59 PM

Hi guys,

im just curioues what colours you guys use when doing dot filters on olive drab? I was thinking yellow ochere, brown and white. I have also read that you can use blue too?

any sguuestions would be awesome

Jeremy 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 8:33 PM

Yes,those are all good to use

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:47 AM

Yes, I use dark brown, yellow and white. I have not tried blue yet, but sounds very interesting, and I will try it next time!

Also, and I apolgize if you already know this, apply a protective overcoat of your painted surfaces before you do the dot filter. Ideally, if you don't like the results, you can remove and start over. 

 

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Posted by BorisBaddenov on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 8:58 AM

JerB

Hi guys,

im just curioues what colours you guys use when doing dot filters on olive drab? I was thinking yellow ochere, brown and white. I have also read that you can use blue too?

any sguuestions would be awesome

Jeremy

 

Sorry for the noob question -- but what is a dot filter?

 

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 9:06 AM

I think it's easier for you to see a video than try to explain it with words:

Hope this helps.

 

EDIT: This is not the defacto video on Dot Filters. I just picked this one randomly, there are many on Youtube. 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 10:12 AM

BorisBaddenov
...what is a dot filter?

Latest weathering fad that gives an unrealistic, yet very artistic finish to your model.Tongue Tied

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Posted by BorisBaddenov on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:38 PM

hogfanfs

I think it's easier for you to see a video than try to explain it with words:

Hope this helps.

 

EDIT: This is not the defacto video on Dot Filters. I just picked this one randomly, there are many on Youtube. 

 

Ahh.. ok - that was very helpful thanks.  

 

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:27 AM

I like using it over solid colors like OD, Panzer Grey and German Yellow. It helps to break up the monotone solid color as with my Porsche Jagdtiger in German Yellow.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:39 AM

Or like my recently completed Yamato Turret.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:02 AM

I disagree that "gives an unrealistic" finish.  Perhaps if overdone, but when done well, it's as effective a technique as other techniques are to achieve their ends, like pre-shading panel lines.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:06 AM

the Baron
like pre-shading panel lines

Another recent, artistic fad.  Have you ever seen a panel line on an actual aircraft or vehicle that is darker than the surrounding panel?  I served for almost 24 years on actual military vehicles and helicopters and I never saw one that looked like the pre-shaded panel line technique.  If you want to be artistic with your finishes, that is fine.  Just don't claim they are realistic at all.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:01 AM

HeavyArty
Another recent, artistic fad.  Have you ever seen a panel line on an actual aircraft or vehicle that is darker than the surrounding panel?

Ok, here ya go.

Admittedlty overdone at times but yes, yes I have. I was around aircraft as well.

What's next? Oil canning?

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:54 AM

the Baron

I disagree that "gives an unrealistic" finish.  Perhaps if overdone, but when done well, it's as effective a technique as other techniques are to achieve their ends, like pre-shading panel lines

 

Ditto It's fine when done in a subtle way  and not overdone as you said. We all have our techniques so use whatever works for you.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, January 21, 2021 10:57 AM

modelcrazy

Or like my recently completed Yamato Turret.

 

Looks great Steve.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, January 21, 2021 11:22 AM

I do sometimes. I use earth tones for olive drab- generally tan, brown, and a straight (non OD) green. 

The results either look overdone or I thin it to the point I can't even see the results. So I kinda moved away from doing it. 

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, January 21, 2021 11:54 AM

Actually current US navy aircraft do weather to a point where they take on a look like the preshading technique so popular today.  And the dot filtering technique does add life to a monochrome finish.

But I agree that the current weathering styles are often overdone.  A friend had an up-close look at an operational T-72 back in the 1990s, and commented that modelers frequently apply overdone or non-existent weathering.

That being said, I feel a balance between artistic and realistic is the way that appeals to me.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:51 PM

modelcrazy
Ok, here ya go.

These are not what I am talking about.  That is realistic panel weathering and dark lines where the joints are.  Most of the time, pre-shading gives the panel unrealistic dark edges with a vastly lighter centers of each panel.  To me, that is not realistic.

To each their own though.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:48 PM

modelcrazy

 Ok, here ya go.

That one is a gate guard and not an operational bird.

 

the one below is a computer image

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:14 PM

I suspect that this is a computer image as well. Thunderbird aircraft are always pristine. And look at the aircraft number on the intake...

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, January 22, 2021 8:38 AM

Well of course they are Confused. Can't tell real from computer anymore (that's scarry)! I do have some pics somewhere, ones that I took that show my point however, I believe Artty and I are actually on the same page.

Many modelers way overdo it. Black basing, which I use for shadows and motling, blacking the panel lines, which I don't do unless they are control surfaces and dot filtering, which I do only when I need to add streaks, are valid methods of weathering. Just not all the time and the motto "if you think you need a little more, you have enough" works.

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 22, 2021 10:09 AM

HeavyArty
 
the Baron
like pre-shading panel lines 

Another recent, artistic fad.  Have you ever seen a panel line on an actual aircraft or vehicle that is darker than the surrounding panel?  I served for almost 24 years on actual military vehicles and helicopters and I never saw one that looked like the pre-shaded panel line technique.  If you want to be artistic with your finishes, that is fine.  Just don't claim they are realistic at all. 

Personally, I don't preshade, either.  I just don't agree with your blanket statement that either technique is unrealistic.  It really depends on the subject and the modeler.

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 22, 2021 10:11 AM

modelcrazy

...Many modelers way overdo it...

Exactly.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 22, 2021 10:27 AM

Let’s see if the “403 Error” bug strikes again on this reply attempt. 

I don’t know how prevelant dot filtering is on aircraft builds, but on armor builds, it is one of the current “go to” weathering techniques along with chipping. And it is WAY overdone in most cases by both the masters and the copycats. It looks like they are making their builds out to be old outdoor museum pieces that have been ignored for years, or range target hulks. Real operational military vehicles rarely end up in such condition. At least not in standing regular armies. But we are just going over the same ground again, and again regarding this subject on FSM for years. 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 22, 2021 11:45 AM

Yes

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, January 22, 2021 1:01 PM

Yes stik.

I do some modified and limited dot filters on some aircraft, specially the later Tomcat schemes that got extra filthy.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 22, 2021 2:24 PM

Carrier aircraft are a different breed for weathering. When they are not flying, or in the hangar deck for major maintenance, they are on the flight deck out in the sun and sea salt spray. Often in climates and weather conditions that are less than gentle. Now NATO and Warsaw Pact aircraft on the other hand could often spend a good deal of their life span out of the weather in a hardened shelter away from the ravages of nature.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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