m-60 patton model?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Able M60: That is incorrect. The first M60's had the M48 turret. The prototype was basicly an M48 turret on another chassis. The picture you have is of an M60A3. Notice the commander copula, its the M19 copula. The M48A5 had the M1 copula and most models didn't have a copula because the M2 was put in a pintle mount. Also the M48A5 had the M68 105mm Rilfe Cannon, same as the M60.

The picture above is not an M60A3 but an M60A1. Note the lack of the crosswind sensor and the thinner main gun tube indicating the lack of a thermal shroud. Some of the identification points used by old tankers to ID the A1 from A3 like the smoke grenade launchers and top loading air cleaners are no longer valid since the M60A1s in US service were upgraded with these features towards the end of their service use.

The M48A5 did not have an internal machine gun cupola. It used a 7.62mm M60D machine gun in a flex mount. Although some A5s retained the M1 cupola of the M48A3 (a picture of one is in the Squadron Signal book on the M48).

The M19 cupola did not utilize the M2 .50 weapon, The M60 was equipped with the infamous M 85 .50 cal. a completely different weapon than the M2.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Able QUOTE: Originally posted by HeavyArty QUOTE: You can find M-48s pretty easily these days. The differences are fairly supperficial if you wanted to try your hand at conversion. The above is incorrect. The front hulls are totally different. M48 has a rounded hull, M60 has a sloping angular hull. Lower hull on M60 is very diferent as well. Turrets are very diferent too. Comanders cupola on the turret top is diferent too. It would be very dificult to convert an M48 into an M60. Much easier to buy one of the M60 kits available out there. M48: M60: They are both derived from the Patton series of tanks which started with the M26 at the end of WWII and went through the M60-A3, but are not the same. M60 was a further develop[ment and next generation to the M48. For more info on the M48, M60, and other Patton versions, check here: http://www.patton-mania.com/index.html That is incorrect. The first M60's had the M48 turret. The prototype was basicly an M48 turret on another chassis. The picture you have is of an M60A3. Notice the commander copula, its the M19 copula. The M48A5 had the M1 copula and most models didn't have a copula because the M2 was put in a pintle mount. Also the M48A5 had the M68 105mm Rilfe Cannon, same as the M60.

Yes, I know all the above. My point, in this ancient post that has been revived, was that an M48 and an M60 are not the same tank and it would be a major project to make an M60 out of an M48 as someone advised the guy to do in an above post.

QUOTE: The M48A5 had the M1 copula and most models didn't have a copula because the M2 was put in a pintle mount.

Actually, this is incorrect as well. M48A5 had the Israeli designed Urdan Cupola, which is very different than an M1 cupola.

QUOTE: Originally posted by HeavyArty QUOTE: You can find M-48s pretty easily these days. The differences are fairly supperficial if you wanted to try your hand at conversion. The above is incorrect. The front hulls are totally different. M48 has a rounded hull, M60 has a sloping angular hull. Lower hull on M60 is very diferent as well. Turrets are very diferent too. Comanders cupola on the turret top is diferent too. It would be very dificult to convert an M48 into an M60. Much easier to buy one of the M60 kits available out there. M48: M60: They are both derived from the Patton series of tanks which started with the M26 at the end of WWII and went through the M60-A3, but are not the same. M60 was a further develop[ment and next generation to the M48. For more info on the M48, M60, and other Patton versions, check here: http://www.patton-mania.com/index.html

That is incorrect. The first M60's had the M48 turret. The prototype was basicly an M48 turret on another chassis. The picture you have is of an M60A3.



Notice the commander copula, its the M19 copula. The M48A5 had the M1 copula and most models didn't have a copula because the M2 was put in a pintle mount. Also the M48A5 had the M68 105mm Rilfe Cannon, same as the M60.

QUOTE: Academy did the IDF M60A1 with Blazer armor (with and without mine roller), USMC M60A1 RISE/Passive w/M9 dozer

Surprised to see only one person brought up the the Academy offering. I haven't built any other M60, 'cept the academy offering, and if I may say so, not knowing how accurate it is, it is a kit with very few flaws in terms of building and fit of parts.

Buy an early Tamiya M60A1. Pitch out the turret. Buy anTamiya M48 and use the turret. Get some good reference photos and put it together. Send photos!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Scorn I understand the front hull is different. That, IMO, wouldn't be a hard conversion. Yes, the turrets are different too, but I also suggested that he could use the hull and also use conversion kits to supplement and create the vehicle he is after. I was trying to make the point that even though there aren't that many 60 models out there, there are options available to make it happen.

Not many? In 1/35 scale?
Tamiya did the M60A1, M60A2, M60A3TTS, USMC M60A1 RISE/Passive.
Academy did the IDF M60A1 with Blazer armor (with and without mine roller), USMC M60A1 RISE/Passive w/M9 dozer
Esci did the IDF M60A1 with Blazer armor, M60A1 RISE/Passive, M60A3TTS
Italeri reissued the Esci M60A1 Blazer, M60A1 RISE/Passive
Revell of Germany reissued the Esci M60A3TTS
AFV Club did the M48H (M48A5 turret on an M60A3 hull)
Trumpeter did the M60A1 and M60A3 (bad copies of Tamiya/Academy ktis)

While the Esci kits are OOP and the original M60A1 is too, the vast majority of the M60 kits are still kicking around on the store shelves and on eBay as well.

to convert a M48 into a M60 would be as hard as converting a Panther into a Kingtiger
they look the same but are totaly different

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman My son has the Tamiya with the reactive armor. Let's just say the putty tube has gotten a work out, not to mention very noticable motorization holes.

That's good. One needs to know how to fill gaps. We also wouldn't want the next generation of model builders to have too easy a time of it and not have a proper appreciation of a well fitting kit!

I understand the front hull is different. That, IMO, wouldn't be a hard conversion. Yes, the turrets are different too, but I also suggested that he could use the hull and also use conversion kits to supplement and create the vehicle he is after.

I was trying to make the point that even though there aren't that many 60 models out there, there are options available to make it happen.

QUOTE: You can find M-48s pretty easily these days. The differences are fairly supperficial if you wanted to try your hand at conversion.

The above is incorrect. The front hulls are totally different. M48 has a rounded hull, M60 has a sloping angular hull. Lower hull on M60 is very diferent as well. Turrets are very diferent too. Comanders cupola on the turret top is diferent too. It would be very dificult to convert an M48 into an M60. Much easier to buy one of the M60 kits available out there.

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They are both derived from the Patton series of tanks which started with the M26 at the end of WWII and went through the M60A3, but are not the same. M60 was a further develop[ment and next generation to the M48. For more info on the M48, M60, and other Patton versions, check here: http://www.patton-mania.com/index.html

Tamiya makes the M60A3 kit, or they used to. Academy makes Israeli Blazer with is actually a Magach 6B. They also make the US Marines M60A1 with reactice armor and blade attachement.

You can find M-48s pretty easily these days. The differences are fairly supperficial if you wanted to try your hand at conversion. AEF Designs has many different add-on and conversion kits for the whole Patton series of chassis. Verlinden also makes a blade conversion for the M48/M60 series of tanks.

The US made a lot of armor vehicles off of the Patton chassis so there are tons of different variants out there to choose from. M88 Hercules, M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle, as well as a couple of nice bridge layers. Any of these kits could be converted to an M60 MBT with the right add-on kit or some good imagination.

QUOTE: Originally posted by HeavyArty QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone Revell of Germany makes the best of the tank in that line and the price is not bad at about $22.00.It has so fine details with section and indy tracks.Digger Revell of Germany version is a rebox of the Italeri, which is a repop of the old Esci molds. Therefore, as mentioned above, Esci model is still the best.

Italeri didn't rebox the ex-Esci M60A3TTS, only the ex-Esci M60A1 and M60A1 Blazer. The M60A3TTS and M60A1 have a different parts layout due to a mold swap section that deals with the air cleaners and main gun tube. Basically the only difference between the two models.

i have see the italeri m 60 patton,other than that i cant be of any help,sorry


gdarwin[roy]

QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone Revell of Germany makes the best of the tank in that line and the price is not bad at about $22.00.It has so fine details with section and indy tracks.Digger

Revell of Germany version is a rebox of the Italeri, which is a repop of the old Esci molds. Therefore, as mentioned above, Esci model is still the best.

Revell of Germany makes the best of the tank in that line and the price is not bad at about $22.00.It has so fine details with section and indy tracks.Digger

In the 1/35 scale, there are the Tamiya & ESCI kits (mentioned previously). But, to my mind, the best kits of that AFV/in that scale are those made by Academy. The latter has a US M-60 (with reactive armour) # 1349. As well, a couple Israeli versions (one is the basic tank...the other has a mine roller attachment. I can't recall the kit numbers for the latter 2, but I'm sure one could find them in the Academy catologue.

My son has the Tamiya with the reactive armor. Let's just say the putty tube has gotten a work out, not to mention very noticable motorization holes.

Are you talking about the M60 aka "Slick 60"? If so, the only kit that I recall off hand is an old Tamiya 1/48 scale kit that is motorized and long OOP. If you do a forum search here, I listed all the 1/35 scale M60 variants available today and some of the older kits that you can still find in stores or on eBay.

Chesapeake Model Designs (CMD) makes a really nice M60 turret that you can add to an M60A1/A2/A3 kit to back date it to an original M60. I've got one and recommend it. I can dig it out if you want to know the kit #.

Esci makes several M-60 kits. They have recently been rereleased by Italeri, but the Esci kits are a better bargain. The molds are getting old and the Italeri releases seem to have flash and sink mark problems. The Esci M-60's can usually be found on Ebay for about $10. Some aftermarket items are made by AFV Club (tracks), p/e frets (eduard, but tough to find) and Tiger Model Designs makes a replacement cupola. There is more stuff available, but this is all I can remember at the moment. Hopefully Major Gronovius will see this post and give you more information.

Tamiya Makes a USMC M60A1 w/ Reactive armor and an M60A3
Revell also makes an M60A3

I'm sure there are more kits out there, but those are the ones I know of.