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Tiger I Zimmerit application

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Tiger I Zimmerit application
Posted by okieboy on Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:06 PM
Hello all,
I'm gearing up to purchase Tamiya's 1:16 Tiger I Full Option package and I have loads of questions to ask you guys; experts and novices alike, since you all will have new ways of approaching this Gordian knot. My first objective is to find a somewhat simple and effective way to apply zimmerit to a model. www.Fragarmor.com gave one example, but I like to get different techniques. My next pressing question will be how I can convert this kit from the Early production version to the Mid or Late production model. The biggest challenge there being the new commander's cupola. Thank you for your input.

Okieboy
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 28, 2003 4:01 AM
Well, Okieboy…

You have really got your work cut out for you. Right off the top of my head, I can tell you that besides the cupola, the tracks will have to be replaced, the drive sprockets will have to be changed, the rear deck will have to be retooled in parts, the fan outlet on the turret will have to be moved/changed, the location of the headlights will have to be moved, and several other modifications will have to be made depending on what time period the Tiger was produced. This is a project for a person with a lot of time, and patients!!

You are going to have to invest in some books. I own "Achtung Panzer No.6", and highly recommend this book. I have heard that "Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I" by Thomas Jentz & Hilary Doyle is the essential Tiger I book, but have not been able to get my hands on it. I think it is out of print. I can also recommend Tank Power No. 13, 14, and 15. They are produced by AJ Press. There are a lot of CAD drawings of specific tanks in these books (not all of them correct). Also check out this site: http://tiger1.info/

The zim will be a very easy job considering what else you will have to do. I imagine a saw blade would make a perfect applicator, and you can use most modeling putties for the actual zim.

You also may want to check out VP’s 1/15th scale Tiger ( http://www.verlinden-productions.com/product_listing.htm ). It is a later version, and VP also makes a zim kit to go with it.

hope this helps, and good luck with the endeavor

edog
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Posted by erush on Monday, July 28, 2003 8:22 AM
Check out this link for zimmerit application okieboy. Moses gave some good tips here. I think the tamiya applicator tools would be too small so a saw blade would probably work fine.
Here's the topic link.

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4218

Hope this helps some and good luck with the rest of your conversion!

Eric
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Posted by Moses on Monday, July 28, 2003 10:01 AM
Always paving the way Erush ;) Your the best!!!

You are also correct, the Tamiya Zimmerit tool would be to small in scale.

I have 3 suggestions with the zimmerit on that 1/16th Tiger Okie Boy:

1) If you do not convert to Mid or Late Production..do not use Zimmerit.

2) If you do convert to Mid or Late Pro...use a Razor saw for the zimmerit. To get the best scale for 1/16th, you should remove every other tooth on the razor saw with a motor tool. Trust me...a razor saw usually has the same seperation between teeth as a #5 Tamiya Zim Tool. Also use either Tamiya's Ployester Putty, Zim-it-rite, or other soft putties when using razor saw.

3) Use the Scewdriver Technique, but use an Epoxy Putty.

If you want to go all out with that Tiger 1, I say go for the conversion and zimmerit. Make that Monster stand out.

Cheers

Rob
"ZIM FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER!!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 28, 2003 10:24 AM
First off......you lucky dog, I can't wait to get my hands on a 1/16 FULL OPTION Tiger Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]

Now to the Zim, Here are some techniques and some tools used. Of course, you will have to make adjustments for the 1/16 scale (again, you lucky dog)

Hope you have fun and keep us posted on the progress!!!

http://www.track-link.net/articles/15

Yours Jealously,

Erock68 Wink [;)]
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Posted by okieboy on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:07 PM
Wow,

Thank you all Gents. That's all very impressive. First off however, I plan to build Tamiya's 1:35 Tiger Tank (Otto Carius's version) So I can get a grasp of the subtletes for the Mid and Late version Tiger. I have already built Tamiya's Early Production model that is R/C and that left me wanting more. As for pictures, I will do my best when I have something worthy. I have an interest in Tigers partly because my grandfather narrowly escaped them (and a German 88 anti-aircraft gun they were using against his jeep) in WWII. Thanks again.
"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." George Orwell
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 29, 2003 3:01 PM
QUOTE:
You also may want to check out VP’s 1/15th scale Tiger ( http://www.verlinden-productions.com/product_listing.htm ). It is a later version, and VP also makes a zim kit to go with it.


Hey edog, I've got this kit along with the zimmerit upgrade kit. It's entire replacement parts for the unzimmerited basic kit parts, so I'm not sure how useful it would be to someone doing the Tamiya Tiger -- particularly because they are slightly different scales.

Maybe I misunderstood your post though -- sorry if I did.

If you meant that he should consider buying it, well, it is a nice kit, but the build-up is a total pain, with each track link attached to a huge resin plug. It's beautiful when built up, and the Wittmann actually looks a bit like him, but it is 100% static display.
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