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Posted by treadwell on Saturday, March 3, 2007 5:08 PM
Big Smile [:D]-- hey scott what a super nice job,man-! I have followed it from beginning to end.-- i really enjoyed reading the synopsis at the conclusion-- it puts a first class ending on a first class buildThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]--- treadTongue [:P]

   

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, March 2, 2007 10:48 AM

Thanks again for the feedback gentlemen. 

My wife and I picked up that display case from IKEA for only $65!  It took all of about 5 minutes to put together.  My only regret is not having picked up 2 more... as this case is almost full.  Shock [:O]

Ideally I'd like to find a similar case but one that is maybe 2 to 3 times wider.  At the rate I'm going I'm going to have at least 10 more finished kits this year.  Big Smile [:D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by SteveM on Friday, March 2, 2007 6:17 AM

Nice build, Scott. I especially like your étagère (Wife Word for "display case").

Steve 

Steve M.

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:45 PM

 the doog wrote:
There are enough Panthers and Tigers w/o zimm, if they're gonna keep making them, they might as well try one with zimm, like in their 1/72 scale!Sigh [sigh]

Now, now.....we wouldn't want to put the aftermarketers out of business. Wink [;)] I think any German tank with a quality molded zimmerit would be most welcome by the armor community.

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 Eric 

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 1, 2007 7:38 PM
Really nice work, espins, I like the overall look. I built this exact tank in Ernst Barkmann's colors and Number424. I used the same kit-included zimmerit, but took each piece and sanded them aggressively down to almost nothing by stapling several pieces of varying degrees of sandpaper onto a board and then taping the zimm pieces to another board and rubbing the two together until the zimm was almost paper thin---they looked GREAT on the model, and could even be "chipped" off. Big Smile [:D]A word about the tracks; I NEVER use Italeri's HORRIBLE EXCUSE for tracks! Banged Head [banghead]I used the ones from a Tamiya kit (possibly the early G?) and then purchased the Tamiya aftermarket indy-link set for that model. I didn't use the zimm on the skirts, and I think the kit rocks completely. I REALLY wish that more manufacturers would include or even mold a complete kit with zimmerit! There are enough Panthers and Tigers w/o zimm, if they're gonna keep making them, they might as well try one with zimm, like in their 1/72 scale!Sigh [sigh]
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Posted by Ozmodiar on Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:47 PM
Looks great. I built that puppy a while back and it is a fun kit.

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:33 PM
Imagine getting a medal for surviving the Winter in Russia. That should say something about combat on the Eastern Front.

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 Eric 

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:27 PM
Thanks again for the comments guys.  I'm really trying to improve my skills and this one was good practice for me.  Smile [:)]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by biffa on Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:50 PM
nicely done Scott i followed this build in the GB thread and i really enjoyed it, im one of those people that still likes to build the older kits as well as the latest and greatest, well done.
Ron g.
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Posted by Svenne Duva on Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:40 PM

The Camouflage and overall paint job is very good.

Thank You for sharing espins1

sic transit gloria mundi

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, February 26, 2007 10:19 AM
 Hermesminiatures wrote:

I think it might be really cool to find a reasonably priced source for reproduction WWII German medals so we could all make permanent displays of our Panzer Aces' vehicles along with their picture and a Knight's Cross.

I'm going to, at least... 

That would be cool.  

I'd love to get my hands on a real Knights Cross but man they go for a lot of money!  Shock [:O]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:11 PM

I think it might be really cool to find a reasonably priced source for reproduction WWII German medals so we could all make permanent displays of our Panzer Aces' vehicles along with their picture and a Knight's Cross.

I'm going to, at least... 

Jonathan

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:55 PM
 KJ200 wrote:

Scot, nice job on the Panther.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with the Dragon Panthers.

Karl 

Thanks.  I can't wait to do the Panthers.  Got a few other GBs to take care of in the mean time, but I hope to start one of those in a month or two. 

Here are a couple photos of the Panther alongside my JagdPanther I built a few years ago... with two of my German Medals.  The one on the left is for the guys who built the West Wall and the one on the right is for those German soldiers who survived the first Russian Winter of 1941/42. 

I have an Iron Cross 2nd Class that will be added to my collection in about 30 minutes along with a German flag or banner that says something like "Achtung Minen" (Danger!  Mines!).  I hope they're in good shape.  My wife's ex does a lot of flea markets and garage sales and had a bunch of German stuff listed.  He agreed to give me the lot for $100.  Shock [:O]

Keep in mind the lighting issues as it's making the tanks look shiny, when in reality they're very flat.  Sigh [sigh]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:38 AM

Scot, nice job on the Panther.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with the Dragon Panthers.

Karl 

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:27 AM

Espins,

Nothing to add to what the others have said other than congrats on sticking with this older kit through to the finish, as your first completed build in 2 years I hope it's the first of many more to come! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:22 AM

Thanks for the comments guys. 

I'm still working on learning how to take better pictures.  The blue background really seemed to help a lot, got that tip from an FSM article Bow [bow].  I tried to difuse the lights as best I could so I put plastic grocery bags over the two lights I had pointing at the tank from the front, but couldn't come up with a way to diffuse the overhead lights in the spray booth, so that's making certain things look shinier than they really are.  It's tough to prevent that reflectivity which makes the decals look like they're silvering from certain angles as the lights seem to reflect right through the flat coat.  It doesn't look that way in person fortunately , and the tracks are also much flatter in person than they appear in the photos. Smile [:)]

I hope to get better at taking the pictures.  I'm going to try to find a sheet of translucent plastic to put over the spray booth lights when I take the photos, that should help with the reflectivity of the lights.... I hope.  Blush [:I] Smile [:)]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by Panther 44 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:55 AM

Hi Scott,

  Considering all of the firsts and it is the Italeri A, I'd go Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. Really like your camouflage job. Great job.

                                                                                                 Joe Big Smile [:D] Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Carves on Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:41 AM

Nice build there.

I would like to give 2 comments;
1. The decal seems to be silvering. I wonder if it is just my screen.
2. The tracks needs to be paint flat. From the picture it seems to be shinny.

The rest is a kick butt build.

Well done.

---
Ben

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:32 AM
Thanks for being an intrigal part of the Italeri GB. Love your Panther, excellent scheme. Regardless of the kits deficencies, you did well on her.

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 Eric 

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Posted by roosterpelo on Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:50 AM
great history lesson. its always good to learn about the models we build. building the models is just half the fun of this hobby. learning about them and researching them make them worth that much more. great looking model, hopefully i'll get where you are some day.
chris d.
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Posted by nfafan on Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:26 AM

Looks good to me!

And once again, proof positive that with some TLC, any kit can be made into a winner!

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:10 AM

I had to deal with the same thing on the Italeri LVT Alligator, except I couldn't even staple them because of the paddle cleats on the tracks. I ended up drilling holes in every third wheel and holding the tracks on with straight pins.

NEVER again! 

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:35 PM

Thanks for the feedback gentlemen.  Bow [bow]

The tracks where a double whammy as they consist of two sections for each side.... with two of the horrendous joints for each track.  So I put the worst one behind the schurzen, but that still leaves one other cheesy joint exposed on the bottom.  Sigh [sigh] Black Eye [B)]

I tell you though, I learned a lot about armor building techniques on this one.  Smile [:)]

And as much as I love building the models, I love the research and history just as much if not more. Cool [8D]

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:25 PM

 Make a Toast [#toast] What a great review and dialogue you posted with the model itself. Makes it more interesting when viewing the complete project.

  Tongue [:P] A wash would help considerably and you might (next time) want to connect the tracks at the top of the run where they won't be seen (behind the skirts). Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] You can acconplish this by leaving the drive sprockets unglued and rotatable so you can manipulate the tracks into an obscure position. 

 Big Smile [:D] I think it looks good considering what you had to work with. 

                                                                                   Steve
 

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:40 PM

Looks great, especially for your first tank in a while! I can't spot any inaccuracies except maybe the zimmerit on the Schurzen which was only applied there during the first two months of zimmerit, but since it's only a difference of three months it could easily be an earlier A. So, nevermind all of what I just saidSmile [:)]

Looking forward to seeing your Dragon Panthers as well, and once again might I recommend the etchmate, especially if you are pretty new to PE. (I really am not a Mission Models salesman, despite repeated attempts to sell their products) I would also recommend that you replace the Dragon tool clasps with some from Voyager Model, because the Dragon clasps are completely backwards and don't begin to fit. I just added the Voyager clasps to my Wespe this afternoon, and they are so well made that they open and close once finished. (I'm also not a Voyager salesman...)

I'm done hijacking your thread nowWink [;)] The Panther really looks great!

Jonathan

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Posted by crockett on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:27 PM

I think your construction and paint work are truly very clean and neat. The camo looks excellent, some nice airbrush work there. As you pointed out, the zimmerit really takes away from the realism. too thick, too uniform and the gaps....I wish you would have applied your talents to a new release DML Panther.

The kit tracks and detail are lacking of course.

I think you have taken a dog kit and put a really nice paint scheme on it. For an OOB build, ya done good..

regards,

Steve

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Italeri 1/35 Panther Ausf. A finished!
Posted by espins1 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:05 PM

This was my submission to the Italeri GB hosted by Tigerman.  I really enjoyed his GB.  Smile [:)]

About the kit: Italeri 1/35 Panther Ausf. A 

Relatively speaking this kit is fairly old, especially when compared to all the modern releases from Dragon (I have both Dragon's Panther Ausf. A and Ausf. G... absolutely stunning kits, can't wait to have some time to get them on the bench!)

Overall it was a really fun kit to build.  I've only been back into the hobby for several years, so I've been using my older kits to get my skills up.  I really wanted to try some new things and see if I couldn't improve my armor modeling skills to get me ready for my Dragon kits.  This build has several firsts for me:

  1. First Panther
  2. First Zimmerit
  3. First camo job other than single color
  4. First photo etch.... ever (grill screens really add a nice touch)
  5. First use of the kit plastic barrel (usually use aluminum aftermarket barrels)
  6. First tank I've completed in about 2 years
  7. First Italeri build

The moldings were decent, although at times the plastic seemed a bit on the soft side.  The vinyl tracks were abysmal, the pins for joining the track segments together were just too short to get strong connections.  I finally had to resort to two staples to keep one of the sections together.  If I didn't have several of Dragon's Panthers lined up already, I would have invested in a set of Aftermarket tracks for this baby, although in the final analysis the tracks turned out ok after all.  The plastic zimm was a nice, if not unusual touch. 

If I had to do it all over again I wouldn't have used the zimm pieces provided and would have made my own zimmerit instead.  Most of the zimmerit was either provided by an optional replacement part in the kit, or with applique sections that you glued over the existing panels.  This makes some of the parts rather thick and creates alignment problems when trying to butt the sections together.  I think I did a decent job with it anyway, although in retrospect I could have tried to thin some of the applique panels with some very careful sanding..... live and learn. 

The decals were ok, a little "stark", especially the GrossDeutschland insignia (white German helmet) in between the headlight and driver vision port.  It should have been just plain white, but Italeri had a black "shadow" effect also printed on the decal, which is obviously not correct and only makes the decal appear that much starker.  The dust and flat coats really toned them down however. 

About the Panther Ausf. A 

The Panther Ausf. A came after the original Panther Ausf. D which was rushed into service for use in Operation Zitadelle.  The Ausf. D had major teething problems because of this rushed development which cause most of them to break down before they really had a chance to have any impact on the battle at all.  In spite of this poor showing, the Panther had a lot of potential so many of the trouble areas were corrected or improved upon with the release of the Ausf. A model.  (It can be very confusing to those just learning about the Panther... the D came first, then the A and finally the G).  The Ausf. A was produced from mid 1943 into early 1944. 

The Panther tank is believed by many to be the best medium tank of the war (heavy tank by allied standards) with the only true rival being the Russian T-34/85.  In fact, many of the innovative design features of the T-34 inspired the design of the Panther.  The Panther was complicated, like most German tanks and required a lot of raw materials and man hours to build.  Because it was rushed into service they continued to have mechanical and reliability problems all throughout the war.  The final drive gears were to plague the Panther for all of it's life, including on the Ausf. G.  The ride of the Panther was exceptionally smooth, due mostly to it's innovative torsion bar suspension.  The interleaved road wheels did a fantastic job of distributing the Panthers immense weight over the wide tracks, which allowed it to perform much better in the often soft and muddy terrain found on the Eastern Front.

The Panther was both feared and respected by its enemies.  Its 75mm Kwk 42 was extremely accurate over long ranges and had tremendous penetrating power.  The allies really had nothing comparable.  Its thick armor especially in the front made knocking out a Panther a very daunting prospect.  The Sherman was completely outclassed by the Panther.  The T-34/85 and the later Russian Heavy Tanks were the only major armored threats to the Panther.  If memory serves correctly, more Panthers were destroyed by Allied aircraft, mechanical breakdowns and by their own crews than were ever knocked out by Allied tanks. 

Some of the improvements made to the Panther Ausf. A over the Panther Ausf. D were:

  • Cast Cupola with 7 periscopes
  • Rail installed and mount for an Anti Aircraft MG34 to the cupola
  • Armored ball mount for the bow MG 34
  • Gunners sight changed from binocular to monocular
  • Schurzen (side skirts) were standardized
  • Zimmerit was applied to almost all of the Ausf. A's built
  • Zimmerit generally more neatly applied and textured in several unique patterns
  • Jack was mounted vertically on the rear
  • Several different exhaust variations, one of which provided additional exhaust manifold cooling via 2 pipes attached to the metal shroud surrounding the exhaust manifold to duct the hot air out.  This was necessary when the left engine fan was modified to flow in the opposite direction to blow air that was heated up by the engine into the crew compartment to provide a heating during the cold Russian winters.  The triple exhaust was only mounted on the left side (erroneously mounted on the right side occasionally by Allied captors who didn't know any better... you'll even see that fubar on a museum Panther or two)
  • The turret was modified during production eliminating the side vision port plugs and left side loading port

About GrossDeutschland

I built my Panther as one that served with GrossDeutschland in the summer of 1944 and tried to replicate my interpretation of a typical Dark Yellow with Green mottling scheme as it would have appeared having been done by your average Panzer trooper that got stuck with the duty, but tried his best anyway, as any good German soldier would Wink [;)]

GrossDeutschland was an elite German division in the Heer (regular German army as opposed to a Waffen SS unit).  It was one of the best equipped units in the Heer (along with the Panzer Lehr).  It originated as an Infantry regiment that saw action in France and Russia in the early phases of Operation Barbarossa and was all but annihilated outside of Moscow in 1941.  It was upgraded to an Infantry Division in time for the opening phase of Fall Blau, the assault on Stalingrad and it served with distinction all throughout the Stalingrad ordeal around Rzhev and in the attempts to break through to relieve the 6th Army. 

After having a company of Tigers attached to it along with armored personnel carriers it was upgraded to a Panzer-Grenadier Division and served exclusively on the Eastern Front from that point forward.  It served with distinction during the third battle of Kharkov alongside other famous German divisions like the 1st SS "Leibstandarte Adolph Hitler", the 2nd SS "Das Reich" (my personal favorite), and the 3rd SS "Totenkopf".  GrossDeutschland was also at the Battle of Kursk where it first employed the Panther Ausf. D, which suffered from numerous mechanical breakdowns as it was rushed prematurely into service by Hitler.

After Kursk, GrossDeutschland was heavily involved in the defensive fighting against the Russian armored onslaught, with many if it's units being used as a mobile reserve, being rushed from crisis point to crisis point.  

GrossDeutschland suffered horrendous losses during the battles in East Prussia and the Baltic States where it was almost annihilated during the battles in the Memel bridgehead.  By March of 1945 it had been reduced to only 4000 men at which time they evacuated the Memel bridghead only to be immediately thrust back into combat at Pillau where by April 25, 1945 it ceased to exist after being completely destroyed.  Only a few hundred men managed to escape the destruction and make it to the British lines to surrender.  The rest were captured by the Russians where many died in forced labor camps over the next decade.   

The Finished Model:

Here are the final photos.  I will eventually add a radio antena.  I tried doing the stretched sprue thing and I couldn't get it long enough or thin enough without it breaking.  I think I'll drill a small hole where the antena goes and insert an appropriate segment of fine steel guitar string. I think that would do the trick nicely.

Anyway, let me know what you think.  Smile [:)]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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