Panzer Kampfwagen IV with 88mm Flak 36

Interesting model!  Thnx for posting.  That's an 8.8cm Flak 37 by the way (the dials distinguishe the two versions).

Interesting kit! And a nice paint job, too. 

You might want to consider getting rid of the ejector pin marks on the back of the 88's gun shield, and the two huge pin marks on the side shields on the Panzer IV.  In addition, the forward traverse or elevation wheel is canted, and there appears to be a seam on the auto loader just above the left knee of the pointing soldier.  But I guess I'm just being picky.

(By the way, I really like the paint job on his uniform....)

Gip

Many thanks for all kind comments and compliments and suggestions on the model! They're very encouraging!

T26E4, thanks for correcting me. I should have left out the number and used just "w/ 88mm Flak" instead.

rudedog, 'Chakraphad' - the builder of this kit - is a vivid researcher and No.1 Scratch-builder of Thailand. He's built dozen of modern Russian armors and some German WWII for Mr. Narupol my friend who's another big collector. This one is quite simple when compared to his former one - The Famo w/ 88mm Flak : He also build two more Famo w/ 88mm Flak variants for Mr. Narupol.

sterene, I will pass on your suggestions to Chakraphad. Or maybe I'll tell him to come and read here. Unlike most other modelers, he's capable of some English. He'll get his MBA in May.

Very interesting vehicle.

Anyone know the designation and a place to get some basic info on it?

There was a project to place an 8.8cm Flak onto a tracked tank chassis. 

It was to use a modified chassis, the Pz ISfl IVc .  The lone example was delayed until Nov '43.  By Jan '44, it was reasoned that it was ineffective to protect tank columns and ordered to be abandoned. Originally using the Flak 41 in field trials, its gun was replaced by a Flak 37 and even sent to a unit in Italy (Flak Abt 304 of the 26.PD).  (from Jentz' Panzer Tracts 12)

I believe the modeller in this thread is doing his rendition of a very bizarre vehicle photographed in captured tank yard postwar.  It shows a Pz IV ausf G(?) with its entire fighting compartment superstructure removed and a Flak 37 placed there.  Besides two pictures, nothing else has emerged.  It was obviously some field job. 

beav wrote:

OH those germans, why can't they just standardize their vehicles instead of having over 100 different vehicles....\

That's what I like the most about german vehicles from WWII. Diversity.

Gun Tech wrote:

beav wrote: OH those germans, why can't they just standardize their vehicles instead of having over 100 different vehicles....\   That's what I like the most about german vehicles from WWII. Diversity.

Not to mention how it keeps the model companies in business, what with having to produce 15 variants of each kit, and schlepps like me who have to have all of them. 

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This I haven't seen before.  Interesting and intriguing.  nicely painted.

Indeed that that is a rather interesting tank.

A Panzer IV with a Flak 88 mount on the top of it. Very interesting.

But.... I wonder will the Panzer IV body can withstand the shock when the Flak fired ? Also wont the Flak 88 can tip of from the Panzer IV body ?

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Ben

Thanks for your comments, Carves. You know the Bison I? That's 10.5cm Pak on top of Panzer I. If the Panzer I could withstand the shock of the Pak then why couldn't Panzer IV withstand the shock of the Flak? Just my 2 cents.

Maybe the projectile crates should not be on the tank. It's not part of the tank same as the figures. I used them to complement the scene, to make a stand-alone armor look more like a dio. 

Model Maniac wrote:

You know the Bison I? That's 10.5cm Pak on top of Panzer I. If the Panzer I could withstand the shock of the Pak then why couldn't Panzer IV withstand the shock of the Flak? Just my 2 cents.

It was a 150mm sIG 33 heavy infantry gun. I have a video of this one in action in France, and that little Panzer I chassis is boucing quite a bit

The gun of the Bison has less than half the powder charge of the 88mm shell of the FlaK 36/37. Size in mm isn't everything; the high-velocity 75mm gun of the Pather was more effective than the 85mm gun of the T-34/85. The shock from firing the FlaK 88 mounted on the Panzer IV, if the elevation was anywhere near horizontal, could esily have been enough to tip the vehicle. A somewhat similar attempt was made to mount a 75mm KwK 42 L/70 on a SdKfz 251 halftrack, and the first time they fired it it tipped the halftrack over on its side.

Very interesting model, I might build one sometime. 

Model Maniac wrote:

155mm really? I don't know for sure, just guesstimated its caliber from model kit that I have. ;-)

Yes, the Bison I and Bison II mounted the 15cm sIG 33.  By the way, "Pak" means anti tank gun.  There were many artillery pieces that were not dedicated anti tank guns and therefore, not classified as "PAKs"

HTH 

Yeah, there are many different designations for different types of German artillery.

KwK means kampfwagenkanone or literally vehicle-mounted gun.

FlaK comes from fliegerabwehrkanone or aircraft-defense gun.

PaK from panzerabwehrkanone or tank-defense gun.

SiG from sturminfanteriegeschuetz or assault support cannon,

LeFH from leichteFeldHaubitze or light field howitzer. 

Now, I don't want to see anymore wrong designations