IDF M-60 A1 with RKM Mine Roller

A couple of issues that I see:

IDF TC in US BDU's?

.50 cal on main gun mantlet is upside down

r/s side track between No 5 and 6 roadwheel is improperly joined

 

Too bad, because there are some really nicely done details on this build.

 

Steve

Agree with above post.  Also, .50 Cal M2's barrel looks like it is bent upward.  Otherwise, it looks nice.  even A.I. drilled the hole on the muzzle of M2

All the above, plus...

The headlights are wrong as well.  Both lights should have a clear lense on the left side and the IR lense on the right.  There is one standard light unit that is used on both sides.  The weapons mounts should be sand, not gun metal.  The lift rings should also be sand, or the Israelis sometimes paint them red for safety.  The carrying handle on top of the FN MAG should have a wooden grip as well.  The chain between the rollers (with the cylinder in the middle) is too short.  It should drag on the ground.  It is used to detonate mines that the rollers miss between them.  The tracks are too loose too, they should have a link or two removed.  Lastly, the ERA blocks on the gun mantlet are installed wrong.  They should be rotated 180 degrees so the larger part is at the bottom.  Also, they should be turned so that the open underside is against the mantlet and you can not see that they are holow.

He made a good effort, but as usual, he missed key items, made basic construction mistakes, and didn't do any research on how some of the items should actually be.  Likewise, as usual, you think it looks great and are happy to pay for and add a mediocre model to your collection.  So why do we even bother to comment?

HeavyArty wrote:

Likewise, as usual, you think it looks great and are happy to pay for and add a mediocre model to your collection.  So why do we even bother to comment?

HA HA!! Arty's back and on the attack! We've been through this so many times before! I guess that some guys still don't know that MM pays guys to build them, so they ask questions that he will never be able to answer.

What bugs me is that he NEVER leaves a comment on anyone else's models. I mean, how about a little reciprocation and an "attaboy" or two every now-n-then?? You know; some "give and take"? 

It's a bummer too, that MM DOES build his own models, (and does pretty decent models as well-I looked up one of his older posts) but that he doesn't post any of them with any regularity...man, I'd really just like to see something HE has built in the last year or so and that HE could comment on. OR--why doesn't he give "Art Instructor" or "Tuk" a half-hour or so on his computer to answer the questions we would pose? Seems to me that that would be fair--and worth just as much (or MORE?!?) to Art Instructor and Tuk as the money he pays them?! 

 

 

For some reason,, AI replaced the kit supplied chain, which has standard ovoid links, with jewelry chain in a pattern that is only used in jewelry.

Maybe he wanted to add some bling to his build.

I thought the chain looked funny too, but wasn't sure what came in the kit. 

Wait!!  You mean he actually changed a kit part for an AM item.  I thought he didn't have time for that.

the doog wrote:

HeavyArty wrote: Likewise, as usual, you think it looks great and are happy to pay for and add a mediocre model to your collection.  So why do we even bother to comment? HA HA!! Arty's back and on the attack! We've been through this so many times before! I guess that some guys still don't know that MM pays guys to build them, so they ask questions that he will never be able to answer. What bugs me is that he NEVER leaves a comment on anyone else's models. I mean, how about a little reciprocation and an "attaboy" or two every now-n-then?? You know; some "give and take"?  It's a bummer too, that MM DOES build his own models, (and does pretty decent models as well-I looked up one of his older posts) but that he doesn't post any of them with any regularity...man, I'd really just like to see something HE has built in the last year or so and that HE could comment on. OR--why doesn't he give "Art Instructor" or "Tuk" a half-hour or so on his computer to answer the questions we would pose? Seems to me that that would be fair--and worth just as much (or MORE?!?) to Art Instructor and Tuk as the money he pays them?!

Doog and Guido are saying what many of us have been thinking over the past years concerning these purchased finished models. I don't want to speak for others, but, I think we're feeling "bad" for MM. I mean, buying this stuff seems to be a "rip off" and we're kinda trying to tell MM that he could spend the money on better stuff.\

I will say this, MM is a heck of a nice guy, and he never get's PO'd over the "thrashings" that Art Instructor has put him thru over the years here. He just keeps coming back for more.

So, MM, if you read this, nothing personal, but, dude, find another builder who knows his stuff will ya? I've seen your unbelievable collection of models, and it is something to behold in volume, but this site is about substance too. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

regards,

Steve

Steve, the weird and tragic thing is, he CAN'T find another builder! AI is tied to him as some kind of weird "indentured servant" because he loaned AI some money to buy a house, and AI is paying him off by building him models!

I mean, there could be worse ways to pay off a debt. But I just don't get why AI never gets on this site (even if he doesn't speak English, surely MM could translate?!?!) and take some credit for his builds and answer some questions about his work and benefit from the criticism!

Plus, like I said, never once have I ever seen him make a kind comment or insightful comment to any other poster here... 

It's just very strange, the whole affair, that MM (who does sound like a nice person) posts another person's work and then invites comments or criticism. It just seems like--what do you cal it--"post spamming"??--to post something that you bought!

Any one of us could go to any other site on the web--Armorama, track-link, Military Miniatures, etc--and pick pictures off of those sites and post them here and the net effect and value would be the same. I mean--what's the point?!

If MM would post some more of his OWN models, I'd be TONS more receptive to his posts!  

 i was confused for a while about the relationship you fellas are speaking of,thank you for clearing it up a little,however i will remain silent as i've not dealt with MM.maybe he is trying to drum up business for AI so he can actually have cash instead of a room full of models he bought(?) and had someone else build.

Perhaps even ask if there are any people here who would like to build some for him?  I build professionally, although thus far it has only been automotive subjects, but I would consider an aircraft or armor build for someone else.  Of course sinec my expertise in armor is limited, that is why I would come here seeking recommendations for accuracy.  When I build for myself I build to what I like, and am not overly concerned about the accuracy.  Thanks to Gino I've already made several corrections to my M113 ACAV, and there are others I haven't bothered with as I don't see them as an issue.  The two main ones I have done that I can remember is I colored the lights correctly, and went ahead and laid down the cover all the way instead of propping it against the gun sheild, even though that was done on purpose, without a full diorama the purpose would be lost.  I still need to get around to finishing the darn thing.  It's gathering dust and cobwebs right now.

If this is what makes him happy, so be it.  Afterall, we are not the one who has to live with these model kits one way or the other.  I'd prefer seeing more of MM's own work and I think he does good job of building models as well.  At the same time, I'd like to interact with TUK/Art Instructor directly to discuss about their work too.

Hello

Well... when I read the respond from you guys to this Model Manic models here. It just made me to visit his page for the first time.  What I find over there is a huge impresive collection, my God. He has a section of his own build. He named two of the many  people that build model for him. It looks that he want every single model in the market. But, of course, one man can not  build all the model. He need help. It looks too, that he teach young people in the art of modeling. I do not know for sure.  The mistake he made is that he do not mention the name of the people that build the model he post here or in other places and its looks too, he do not verified very seriously their work to be posted.  He is looking that people visit his internet page.  Indirectly  you are promoting his work for good or for bad. That is probarly why he do not comment on other people models. He just said thanks to the people that said something positive about his pic's. But the models are there. He has also,  photos of his nephews playing with models. An I suspect that he buy collection from other people or people go to his house to offer their models or collection.   He is rich... :-)$$$$$

If I visit Thailand I want to look at that collection... 

Greetings to all

Thomas

Thomas wrote:

...when I read the respond from you guys to this Model Manic models here. It just made me to visit his page for the first time.  What I find over there is a huge impresive collection...

Yes, the collection is huge.  Whether it is impressive in anything other than numbers is debatable, as seen above.  It is actually one of the better ones he has posted by his "Professional" builders. 

I would rather have a smaller collection of well made, accurate models that I did myself than a huge collection of mediocre quality, inaccurate models that I bought from someone else....

But to each their own.

I for one would not bother to stop by and see his "collection" if I took a trip to Thailand

 

 You really think he would want you there anyway, Arty?

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m60a3 wrote:

You really think he would want you there anyway, Arty?        60

I'd pay to see THAT meeting!!!! LOL     (Arty really DOES have a great point though!)

HeavyArty wrote:

I for one would not bother to stop by and see his "collection" if I took a trip to Thailand

I know I'd rather be visiting other well known places in Thailand first.

I've been to Thailand few times in my life and only thing I did was some scuba diving and eating lots of spicy food, so next time I go there, I really want to do what typical tourist would(?) do there.

MM sure does have impressive amount of collection and I think most of them could turn into even better if AI/TUK would do some minor corrections. 

Hello HeavyArty  

Me too, I like to build my own models.   This is only an opinion. But if I was MM, it would be and honor to have you, Doog a many other... in my home to discuss and take imput in person. But of course we do that here in the FineScale forum.

I just find that Art Instructor is a team of people. I look at a picture of some boys and girls working in a huge diorama of Pearl Harbour in 2000.  

I am building models from 1965. I joined this group (2006) because I received the magazine for many many years. I was a little nervous because is the first time I do that. My first post here were not recieved very well, but the point is that I tried to improved reading your imputs and other info. When I saw Doog, and Biffa models and others. I just said, WAOOOOOOOOO. 

Greetings to all

Thomas  

Thomas wrote:

Hello Well... when I read the respond from you guys to this Model Manic models here. It just made me to visit his page for the first time.  What I find over there is a huge impresive collection, my God. He has a section of his own build. He named two of the many  people that build model for him. It looks that he want every single model in the market. But, of course, one man can not  build all the model. He need help. It looks too, that he teach young people in the art of modeling. I do not know for sure.  The mistake he made is that he do not mention the name of the people that build the model he post here or in other places and its looks too, he do not verified very seriously their work to be posted.  He is looking that people visit his internet page.  Indirectly  you are promoting his work for good or for bad. That is probarly why he do not comment on other people models. He just said thanks to the people that said something positive about his pic's. But the models are there. He has also,  photos of his nephews playing with models. An I suspect that he buy collection from other people or people go to his house to offer their models or collection.   He is rich... :-)$$$$$ If I visit Thailand I want to look at that collection...  Greetings to all Thomas

 

Many thanks for your kind comments, Thomas! Most of the comments you gave are correct except about my mistake. I've never made a mistake, I've always mentioned the name of the builders of each and every kit I posted here, in all of my webpages and in my main content-based menu too. And though I don't teach young people in the art of modeling (because of my limited capability), I gave them a link to my main modeler's article on Making of the Famo, they can learn some techniques there, and when I and my collection appeared on TVs during prime time on prime channels in 2003, 2004 and this year, I aroused enthusiasm and interest among all ages including the young. My collection surely inspires many of them. Most recent visitors of my Military Models Museum were two young students, a 18-year-old girl and a 21-year-old boy who applied via E-mail after viewing the TV program in late July. They like models so much that they asked my permission to drop by again, and I'm pleased to welcome them again and again. My numerous purchase has done some good to the kit production industry and my contract-out of kit-building jobs to four permanent modelers and one visiting modelerd has done some good to local economy in terms of income distribution and specialization of jobs - things that keep the economy going. Most of the times, I'm the first one to post the pictures of a finished, newly-released kit.

Art Instructor's work may not be perfect but I'm fully satisfied, most mistakes are negligible because most people don't know. Someone said that the machine gun is up side down, I don't even know which one because there are three MGs. So it doesn't matter, I'll leave it as is. After all, it's just one of my two thousand built kits, not a big deal. You're right that I need help to get all these done. To many people, Art Instructor's works and the works of my other modelers are inspiring ones.

My website will be 9 years old next month - a milestone for a model website anywhere in the world. Through the years it has enjoyed increasing popularity. And though I don't update mysite everyday, it gets hundreds of visitors and thousands of pageviews daily, everyday! I've created a name "Model Maniac" for my site and myself. If you search Google or Yahoo, you'll always find my site on the top of the list. That's some achievement, I would say!

I would be glad to welcome you, m1garand, m60a3 and other good guys here (Arty not included) at my museum some day!
 

 

Someone said that the machine gun is up side down, I don't even know which one because there are three MGs. So it doesn't matter, I'll leave it as is. After all, it's just one of my two thousand built kits, not a big deal.

That is the main issue some of us here have with your postings.  You simply don't care about the quality, only the quantity.  This site is mainly for modelers to improve their skills and discuss thier builds, etc.  Most of us are concerned with quality and accuracy.  Having people tell you that your huge collection is amazing and stating facts about the number of hits on your website or that you were on local TV means nothing.  The issue is the quality or lack there of, and that you are simply a collector who cares less.  As I said above...I would rather have a small collection of well built, accurate models that I did myself then to buy a bunch of mediocre models and flaunt them to everyone.  I can see the same quality stuff in toystores as pre-built, pre-painted toys.  We are not impressed.

HeavyArty wrote:

Someone said that the machine gun is up side down, I don't even know which one because there are three MGs. So it doesn't matter, I'll leave it as is. After all, it's just one of my two thousand built kits, not a big deal. That is the main issue some of us here have with your postings.  You simply don't care about the quality, only the quantity.  This site is mainly for modelers to improve their skills and discuss thier builds, etc.  Most of us are concerned with quality and accuracy.  Having people tell you that your huge collection is amazing and stating facts about the number of hits on your website or that you were on local TV means nothing.  The issue is the quality or lack there of, and that you are simply a collector who cares less.  As I said above...I would rather have a small collection of well built, accurate models that I did myself then to buy a bunch of mediocre models and flaunt them to everyone.  I can see the same quality stuff in toystores as pre-built, pre-painted toys.  We are not impressed.

Couldn't agree more...pushing your own "fame" on the backs of other people's works and accomplishments is nothing to brag about or be proud of in my book! 

If you would provide a way for your modelers to get access to this site and to post and answer questions, and more importantly, reap the praise and critiques of their work, I would feel differently, but right now I don't even understand why you always thank people for their "kind words"--I mean, its not like YOU PERSONALLY have anything at all invested in the kits to take pride in their completion beyond the money you shelled out for them. Why not get your modelers on the site one day every two weeks or so to take the proper bows for their work? 

Model Maniac wrote:

Someone said that the machine gun is up side down, I don't even know which one because there are three MGs. So it doesn't matter, I'll leave it as is.

Actually, Steve was quite specific which one it was...

.50 cal on main gun mantlet is upside down

There is only one .50 cal (the two others are .30's) and there is only one main gun mantlet, so there can be little doubt as to which one he was referring to. 

I think this is a demonstration of what everyone is talking about - that you only acknowledge praise for the models in your collection and brush off people's suggestions on how they could be improved.

Well, his armor models are a lot more accurate than his ship models.

Model Maniac,

I'll have to agree with post that Phil_H posted in this thread.  I asked you long time ago about what are you trying to get out of by posting works of TUK/Art Instructor in this forum?  Is it just for the sake of getting "GREAT JOB" or for your own satisfaction of bragging rights?  I personally think that TUK and Art Instructor do good job for the most part, but they tend to make same mistake over and over and over and over and over again..... I have no problem you paying for those model kits (but I still think your builds are just as nice), but if you are paying for those kits, then you mine as well get TUK/AI to consider suggestions from fellow modelers so that they can offer you even better builds.  Its not about being jealous or bitter because we don't have the quantity of your collection.  If we didn't care about you, we would've just not made any comments on your threads.  Because we care, and that's why we post up our comments.  This is not a personal attack towards to you.  We give compliments as well as we give other feedbacks so that we can all learn from it.