looking for comments on panther g aftermarket part

Ok, I just didn't want to steal the thread.

COMING SOON! Panther group build thread!

sure claymore go right ahead if you want to take it. i agree with the any panther part, i wouldnt put the finish date before febuary 1st though , some of us are prety slow builders

other than that everything sounds fine to me

If it is ok with all I'll take it. How about it?
By Dec. my website should be up so I could host a page on the builds. I'm thinking of a Dec. 1 (approx.) start and finish by Jan. 15 to allow for Christmas. So If it is cool with everyone I'll start a build thread, ask for sticky status, and see if we get any other takers!

PS I suggest that it is open to any Panther from any manufacturer. This gives more options to those participating (someone that has a Dragon won't have to buy a Tamiya) and allows those watching to compare the different brands.

Derek do you want to run this show, seems like we're a little shy here. I've got Eduard's p/e zim, so that should cut down my build time.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

What? It's 1/35 scale, I'm not supposed to spend 1/35th the money as the original?!
I want to do Fruil tracks because I haven't before and I hate these rubber bands.
If my barrel is straight or fixable I won't replace it. As for the Zim, I don't know if I want to do it myself or get some PE/resin,
the Atak set LOOKS great but I haven't seen a review on it yet.

I'm going to reserve judgment (and commitment) until after this weekend. Depends on what comes from the birthday fairy!!

I may get to have a Tamiya Panther, or maybe the Aber super set for the Dragon. We'll see. Maybe I'll just get a bag of coal or a switch...Oh yeah, that's Christmas, huh! Never could keep holidays straight!! lol

Derek, sounds like your watching your dollars all right. Watching them go right into your Panther, that is!! lol

Bill

Okay, someone needs to take contol. PantherLehr, this was your thread. Wanna lead? Is this gonna be a Panther G build or a whatever you want A, D, or G? This is exciting. It'll probably take until Dec. just to come up with a camoflauge pattern. LOL At least that gives some time to get our goodies ordered. Is a time limit important, I kinda like a time limit, that will motivate me to finish it. Oh well, bottom line is to have fun. Derek, your going for the heavy a.m. goods! Are you going to do your own zimmerit?

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Dec 1st sounds good to me, I'll order some parts this week and should have them by then. Thinking Fruil tracks,Aber PE, Eduard barrel,
and Verlinden engine. Maybe Atak resin zim as well, gotta watch the $ ( I need some for other projects!).

oh it wasnt my idea [:0]someone made it on a post on the 1/35th Tiger group build
so whoever it was can start it. if anyone else wants to go ahead and start it its ok by me

Sounds good to me Bill and PantherLehr. Since it was Jon's idea for a group build, he should have the honor of making the thread.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Why don't you go ahead and get your thread set up. Then as people get their kits and start looking for and getting in their am parts, they can report that. Then when you get ready to start, you'll already have a good basis where everyone is headed.

Bill

how about something like dec 1st , gives people another month to order parts and its close enough to jan that those that can't make it in dec should be able to catch up (to my slow butt anyway)

Thanks again Bill. Your right I only some grilles for my Panzer III recently and sadly that is it so far. My Panther has the Eduard zimmerit in it. Sorry to disappoint Moses and a few of the purists out there. I do intend to try it someday when time isn't a factor. Right now I just want to finish something.

You have airplanes? Lol. No need to whisper, I have one in the box pushing 2 years old. Every time I start on another project, I fade back to the dark side. Can't finish anything else.

A group build sounds fun, but I need to order parts. I'm sorta waiting to hear back from some other members to see when they would like to start. Anybody?

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow to fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric, if you haven't done any pe before, which sounds to be the case, I'd definately stick with Eduard for the first few. They are complicated enough. Make sure you have a nice, small, well fitting tweezers, a good flat nosed pliers (to bend the pe against) and some brass rod (to apply ca glue to the part). I've seen, somewhere, to wrap the end of a toothpick with masking tape (facing outward) and use that to position small parts. Let the glue set up, then remove the toothpick from the part. I haven't had much luck with this method, yet. If you can afford it, the pe bender tools work pretty well, but you have to be really into it to justify (in my mind) the cost. I bought a small (2 inch) hold 'n fold and really like it. I can hold the tool up close to my totally shot eyes rather than having to leave the tool on the table. But I really need a bigger one for longer parts. But even then, the small one cost $25 and the bigger ones are around $65. I'd rather spend that kind of money on models. Which is why I don't have a punch set either! I'll have to be getting one of those someday when I start working on my (shudder) winged things!! (I've got some nice Accurate Miniatures kits that are just screaming for me to work on them!! lol)

In a group build, everyone just kind of does his (or her) own thing and writes up a bit about what they've done for the past while, any problems or successes they've had, etc. It's really informal, needless to say. If you can post pictures of your progress, it makes it a lot more fun for everyone. I can't get my wife's stupid camera to download any pictures, so I haven't been able to post any yet. I've even had the IT guys here at work looking at it, and nobody can make it work

Hope this helps.

Bill

Thanks Bill for the p/e update, I figured thinner or alcohol to clean it with. I can't believe how much that Aber kit is running. [:0] I could get two panthers for that price. I really have my eye on Dragon's Panther A late model. It's on my christmas list along with alot of aluminum barrels, schurzen, etc.

Thanks Jon for your post eons ago with the pictures of Dragons Panther A, made my mind up.

A group build sounds intriging, how exactly does it work. I admit that I haven't followed them.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

the Tamiya G is a good kit and Dragon are bringing out the M10 Panther

QUOTE: I'm new with p/e parts, do you have to prep them at all before painting? Clean them with anything?

Eric,

I usually clean the entire fret with lacquer thinner before I start cutting off parts. This insures that any oils, etc. are removed. I bought a small pair of scissors for the express purpose of cutting parts off the frets. They do a much cleaner job than using a knife, but sometimes the parts are postioned so that it's difficult to impossible to use the scissors, so it's back to a #11 blade. Then I use the scissors to trim as much of the remaining attachment tag off the part as I can. Usually I still have a little rough spot on the part. I've used a small needle file to hone them down, but have found that a course sanding stick works much better. The file has a tendency to catch the part in it's teeth and either launch or bend it. (I don't follow this as well as I should, but you shouldn't use the same file or sanding stick for anything plastic. Some metal will get imbedded in the file/stick and it could scratch your plastic.) It's probably a good idea to lightly clean the part with a q-tip with lacquer thinner on it before painting the part, but you need to be real careful because the lacquer thinner will disolve plastic and a heartbeat. (I usually don't do this step for that reason.) The people who know these things also say that if you use any pe parts, you need to prime everything before painting.

Hope this helps. A Panther build would be fun to be a part of, or just watch. (I have a DML D, early A, and the old Tamiya A. I'd like to get an F or one of the Tamiya G's).

Have fun.

Bill

Eric,

That small Aber package is about $60, i-net price. It's for the DML A and D panthers. It's one of the things I asked for for my b-day...I hope, I hope, I hope!!!

I have a part pe set for the shurtzen on a 1/72 panzer IV. Seems to be well made. As with all the pe sets I've gotten, the instructions leave a lot to be desired. It was all there, just hard to decode their drawings. I did a search on Parts Accessories items for a Panther at greatmodels.com. There are several sets of zimmerit listed, but they are all 1/72. They have a lot of stuff for SdKfz 251's in 1/35.

Bill

heheh i got no idea i'm new to modeling period , haven't even finished my first kit yet, but everyone on here is always talking about pe and what not so i figured i'd get my hands on it and give it a try i'll figure out (and read) details as i go. i'm realy bad at learning about things unless i can actualy get my hands on it.

I'm new with p/e parts, do you have to prep them at all before painting? Clean them with anything?

If you guys want to roll on the Panther group build, go for it. Seems like there are a few eager beavers. I'd still prefer to wait, but I can understand if you want to get cracking. Who knows maybe I'll squeeze some time in. I still need to order some parts for mine though.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

well my stuff is ordered i just dont know if i'm going to use it soon or wait for jan , i can always wait i'll probaly need some tools for the PE stuff anyway and cash is a bit low right now , up to you guys. i got a pak40 , king tiger and a bf109e i can build between now and then , i also have to finish my 251/1 and a t-34/85 that is comming along very well. the way time seems to fly we'll be in january before i know it

Claymore, how much does that little set run for? I've heard from another thread that Aber sets are kinda difficult to assemble.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Aber panther Pack for the ausf. A/D http://www.bentbutnotbroken.com/Aber/AB35K02.jpg to bad it isn,t for the G.

Are we gonna wait for Jan. or do I need to order parts NOW?

well ive got two Dragon ausf As to do and a load of Tamiya Gs so whenever

Sorry PantherLehr, it's just that January works best for me. If you want to start a group build before that go ahead. I've never done one before. Sounds neat. Might get me to finish one.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."R.E.Lee

humm i might wait till january , or i might just build the one i have right now out of box for experience and build another in january with the parts i ordered yesterday. i never get tired of panthers anyway. either way sure i'll join you guys for a panther group build in jan

so whens the Group build

Pantherlehr wanna wait till 01-01-04? Do a group build with Tigerman ET AL?

PantherLehr, IMO you should do your own zimmerit. Unless, you already have done some in the past and hated it,
it's a great experience and gives you a true appreciation for detail. I did my own zimm for the first time on my 1/16 Tiger
and I wasn't sorry. I myself would love to do a Panther next, and I know I'd just have to zimm it! (Watch out Moses!!)

Roy