FINISHED PICS! "Bigfoot Brummbar"

dostacos and Dwight--thanks, guys; I appreciate you taking the time to comment!

biffa--thanks, man--hey if you "borrow" my "scuffing" it will be just one "payback" for the many great techniques that I've learned from you along the way! (Hell of a job on that T-34!) Thanks for the compliments!

Would you accept an "atta-boy" comment on this one?

Cause there is nothing else I can say but GREAT JOB!

Sorry, I don't think you can get any comment of historical importance from an OOB Builder like me. But I do know how to appreciate a job very well done.

the doog wrote:

what a piece of junk...don't they know about preventative maintiance?

another beautiful job DOOG please send me a small amount of your talent

the doog wrote:

zokissima wrote: Nice work. I think you pulled it off well. I'm not really sure about the scratching using the base colours, particularily on top of the hull, some of those look fairly large. I tried several times to use very light colour washes, but found that the technique works better if you still apply a typical dark brown wash, then when fully dry apply a very very thin dust shade wash. It gets a great looking overall dusty finish. Thanks, zokissima--the scratching with the base colors would be appropriate for say, shoe-scuffing as a crewman walked on top of the vehicle, or even knelt to retrieve something from ground level? It's intended to show wear through the simple later of dust--entirely superficial, not something that is actually scoring the base paint.

It's a great effect.

zokissima wrote:

Nice work. I think you pulled it off well. I'm not really sure about the scratching using the base colours, particularily on top of the hull, some of those look fairly large. I tried several times to use very light colour washes, but found that the technique works better if you still apply a typical dark brown wash, then when fully dry apply a very very thin dust shade wash. It gets a great looking overall dusty finish.

Nice work. I think you pulled it off well. I'm not really sure about the scratching using the base colours, particularily on top of the hull, some of those look fairly large. I tried several times to use very light colour washes, but found that the technique works better if you still apply a typical dark brown wash, then when fully dry apply a very very thin dust shade wash. It gets a great looking overall dusty finish.

Dale, IA novice and Sprue One--thanks guys, I appreciate the 'S! Thank you!

dupes and SMJ--I actually disagree with the need to "plan" the dots and the oil dispersion--this is "over-thinking" it, in my opinion. (what???--SMJ over-thinking a weathering step??? ) 

Seriously, here's a shot of mine right before I commenced the messin'. ALL of these colors are going to just be randomly swept into a harmonious glaze of the most subtle filters; you DON'T want to have any kind of approach that "plans" any color variations with anything approaching a predictable result or a methodical application of one specific shade over a particular base color, because you're really defeating the whole purpose of the "random yet all-encompassing" chromaticism of color filters. 

Also, SMJ,--you're really rather defeating the purpose and intent of this method by applying similar colors over similar base colors--green over green, browns over browns, etc--you should be putting blues, red, orange, white, yellow--PRIMARY colors, not necessarily complex purples or subtle green-over-green. The red and blue will give you subtle purple shades, and the other colors provide subtle, almost-imperceptible tints over the base coat that provide the depth; simply altering the base with like-colors is missing the objective here.

Good looking paint on that model, Doog.

I especially appreciate the step by step with pics and text.

Very helpful.  

SMJmodeler wrote:

doog and dupes: (great name for a rock band or a kids cartoon, by the way)

HAAAAAAAaaaaahahahha...too funny!

Now that I go back, I definitely see what you mean about the "non-random" placement of the oil dots. Interesting technique. BTW, you're starting to scare me with terms like "chroma". This is getting to be "real" art when you drag that stuff into the equation!

Hey Doog, another masterpiece! The work you've put into this really shows, it's beautiful. I think I especially like the wear on the dust coat. Subtle and very realistic. Did you use red oxide primer for the metal showing in the chipped Zimm?

Sorry I haven't posted up on this earlier, it's been a nightmare at the shop lately so I haven't had much free time.

Dale 

Doog.

Love the build and I love all the info in it (thanks Bill!). 

doog and dupes: (great name for a rock band or a kids cartoon, by the way):  I'd like to add some more tips on that oil dot wash technique.  I started with a medium wet brush and then stippled/swirled the dots on each camo' color separately, cleaning the brush before moving to the other color(s).  I also did areas that would be in "shadow", see my photo of the underside of hull, with a clean brush too.  Do this a couple-few times, adding more thinner to the brush on each pass.  This keeps the accent oil dots concentrated within the borders of the camo' colors.  Then, let it dry a bit, NOT completely...be careful, it dries very fast.  The LAST pass is a "full lather" of the whole model with a pretty wet brush, but don't lather so much that the oil smears totally "disappear", those high chroma areas come in handy later (see "color accents" section of my tutorial for more info).  When the colors dry the chroma goes way down and the usual washes will tone it down too.  I think this technique is a gutsy way of adding depth to the colors without relying solely on the traditional washes...

One last thing, my oil color dot selection wasn't random,(doog, didn't you use a wide variety of colors more randomly? I kind of recall that from the Hetzer toot')  I specifically chose colors based on the location I was placing them, if you care to have me expand on that, unless doog doesn't mind it here on his thread, I'll post a PM or something, let me know.

SMJmodeler

dupes wrote:

Wow Doog, VERY cool. Know you've been slaving away on this one for quite a while, certainly worth the time! Brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you - any changes that need to be made to the oil dot method when using it over zim? I've got a Panther A in the works and I've been wondering what I would need to do differently (if anything) so as not to have oil paint all over the place?

Bodge--thanks for the compliments! 

SMJ--I've actually done the identical tank in the exact same camo scheme! Looks fine to me! 

Huh. Can't say I've ever seen a T-34 with THAT scheme before...

SMJ - I've used the oil thingy a few times (with good results), just never on a vehicle with zim. Checking to see if it's still done the same way - think about all that paint getting into the zim! Ecchhh!

dupes,

I'll let "the doog" answer on the 'oil dot" question in detail..I just saw your post so I thought I'd chime in with a couple of pics of how I used this technique on my camo' for my T34...I was really happy with the results:

hope this helps!

Wow Doog, VERY cool. Know you've been slaving away on this one for quite a while, certainly worth the time!

Brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you - any changes that need to be made to the oil dot method when using it over zim? I've got a Panther A in the works and I've been wondering what I would need to do differently (if anything) so as not to have oil paint all over the place. Heh.

BTW, that fig is pretty swanky as well.

Thank you again, to:

terry35, Carves, (ha ha--actually I've had more of a "horse factory" here this year if you saw my Christmas presents posts in figures/diorama! ), TB379 (Wow, all the way from Australia they have my "SPOOKED!" article in FSM there too? Cool! Glad you enjoyed it! )  and dsastermaster--Steve, if "The  Master" himself says it's  good 'nuff, then I can sleep well!

THANKS GUYS!!!! 

wbill76--that's reallyinteresting info; I wasn't even aware of the controversy. As far as my feelings on it, I guess that I'd have to say that until we get definitive word on it one way or the other, I will trust the original translation; besides, right now it seems to be more-or-less accepted conventional wisdom?

Thanks for chiming in again, Manny! 

SMJmodeler--WOW, you really think? What're ya, trying to start a discussion on appropriate weathering or something? ...

To be honest, I sort of agree about the steel highlights under the chips--I had to look at that three times before just deciding to leave it, but I may repaint it to lessen the effect. 

As far as the rest of your suggestions, I will weather the crosses again, you're right there. And it might get some more chips on the gun barrel--that photo I posted there shows chipped paint on the gun barrel. And the engine deck hatches will also get some.

I don't think I'll do much more beyond that to the top hull--idon't forget that it IS a "late war" vehicle, and wouldn't have a large amount of time-in-the-field. I actually DID take that into account when I was weathering it, and I didn't want to "overdo it".The weathering on the TC hatch would come from the TC himself, plus the anti-aircraft mount which ran around the race ther; beyond that, I guess I can't see a real reason to weather the top of the hulll beyond what it is already. But your other observations are pretty much right on, and well-considered! Thank you for the input and the sharp eyes!

I'm also gonna "weather" the TC's jacket a bit--it looks like he just got it off the racks at Burlington's !  

Great comments all! Thanks agan for all our input, and for taking the time topost a reply!  

Excellent, superb job, I really like the zimm, again just cool.

Regards,

Terry.

Dunno what to say anymore about your model Doog.

It's already beyond any words that I can think off my coo-coo brain.

They are just a work of art. Truly amazing.

Now, did anyone count what tank # is this. Seems like now Doog has his own basement tank factory.  

Stevo you read this ? We need to install hidden camera inside Doog tank factory

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Ben

Tip o'th' hat to ye, Doog, ye'r a master. My initial thought was that such a sequence of techniques was in danger of ending up a kind of muddy monotone, but you pulled it off great.

Oh, and the January FSM just hit the shelves here in Aus -- awesome dio, that shattered Panzer is a work of art. My bro in law was asking about models of wrecked tanks just last week.

Cheers,

TB379

wbill76 wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote: As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented.  Disclaimer: What I'm about to type is not necessarily something I agree with personally, but is a subject of ongoing debate in many circles. There is a point of controversy owing to the possible mistranslation of the original German orders into English by Jentz from Spielberger. Whether the order actually reads that the vehicles were to be primed and then basecoated in overall olive green with 1/3 dark yellow and 1/3 red-brown in 1944 at the factory in place of the previous overall dark yellow orders is hotly contested with arguments possible on both sides for/against. (Almost as hotly contested as field applied zim!). Given the color of red-oxide primer and the fact that there weren't any documented shortages of paint stocks at the factories themselves(there were a few panzers sent out in overall primer due to time urgency), only orders given that in the event of a paint shortage factories could resort to using older schemes like Panzer Gray, lends credence to the argument against primer being incorporated into the schemes. Many point to the famous "octopus" scheme Tiger II as a case in point that literally drove out of the factory in full paint scheme meant for June 1945 to defend the plant at Kassel where it was knocked out as evidence of this.

doog,

WOW!!!

This a real work of art doog!!! You my friend, are without a doubt, a master of this "canvas"!!!  

I have spent about 30 minutes studying all the pictures and looking at all the detail REALLY   closely and I do have some comments; but before I do I want to step into your "brain" and make sure I'm correctly interpreting what you are trying to portray.  Here goes: first of all, I know nothing about a "Brummbar", in fact the name makes me think of those big hairy creatures in that children's story..."where the monsters are"...or something like that.  That being said, the name fits this beast...It sounds beefy, brutish and muscular, and that's the first impression I get from your model.  From the winterketten tracks and the cold weather attire of the figure this is obviously depicting a cold setting and you are trying to depict the "beating" this climate inflicts on a tank.  OK, if I'm close my comments make sense...if not, this unravels quickly...with that in mind I'll continue...in no particular order:

The rust on the tracks, spares and many other areas around the tank do a great job of conveying the "beating of winter"...you know how much I love rust.  I'd have gone so far as having that rust "run" down from that spare track and spill dow the lower hull, the late winter thaw cyles would cause this to happen. 

I really like the "chipped" zimmerit look and the exposed primer beneath is great.  I think it is what "justifies" the red primer spares...the front and back work together...it makes the spares look like they were done that way on purpose.  I think the metallic edges at this primer is too much though, too worn.  I could see how a jar, schrapnel, etc. to the tank would knock off the zim'  but enough continous wear, in that exact area, to cause it to wear down to metal would be unlikely.  You nailed it with the chipped zim' and primer..I'd have let it go at that.

The top of the engine deck and the top of the barrel turret aren't weathered enough..didn't think you'd ever hear that one did ya'?  Where is the grime,wear and completely worn off paint?  The paint on the top of the turret is too clean still, and I only say that as I look at the lower half of the tank. I see the amount of effort you expended there to show the winter effects but the top half doesn't look quite as worn.  The corners and edges could use a drybrush or the "metallic poking through" look.  I suspect the green and red-brown swatches are to be evidence of this wear, but they are a bit too clean.  The upper hatch area is SUPERB, beautiful metallic work there, right down to the worn rivets where the map is,  and I love that handle on the top of the turret. 

The engine deck could use a little more weathering too...that's twice, the planets must be aligning!  The engine compartment doors don't show evidence of banging together or being dropped shut...you know, those little "biffa" chips on the edges and hinges. 

The rear left light doesn't appear to be finished...no green or red lenses...could just be the photo...

Lastly...the crosses are a bit too clean...they could use more weathering too...OK, THIRD TIME..."you know where" must be freezing over.

Truly inspiring work doog!!!  Thanks for posting it for the rest of us to enjoy!!!

SMJmodeler

Mansteins revenge wrote:

As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented.

Disclaimer: What I'm about to type is not necessarily something I agree with personally, but is a subject of ongoing debate in many circles. There is a point of controversy owing to the possible mistranslation of the original German orders into English by Jentz from Spielberger. Whether the order actually reads that the vehicles were to be primed and then basecoated in overall olive green with 1/3 dark yellow and 1/3 red-brown in 1944 at the factory in place of the previous overall dark yellow orders is hotly contested with arguments possible on both sides for/against. (Almost as hotly contested as field applied zim!). Given the color of red-oxide primer and the fact that there weren't any documented shortages of paint stocks at the factories themselves(there were a few panzers sent out in overall primer due to time urgency), only orders given that in the event of a paint shortage factories could resort to using older schemes like Panzer Gray, lends credence to the argument against primer being incorporated into the schemes. Many point to the famous "octopus" scheme Tiger II as a case in point that literally drove out of the factory in full paint scheme meant for June 1945 to defend the plant at Kassel where it was knocked out as evidence of this.

the doog wrote:

Hey thanks, guys! I'm happy to hear all the comments and thanks to all who take the time to respond; you know that I definitely appreciate it! wbill76--I chose primer red for the wheels because I saw it on a build once, and just though it looked cool; a different color that would, theoretically, be possible. Here again, it's an "artistic" interpretation, as it seems to support the "myth", if you will, of the late war "paint shortages" and the fact that some tanks were sent out with primer red base coats due to those shortages and changes in painting policy. Just "something different"!... psc1w--thanks--love the avatar, by the way! LOL!  panzer88 and jthurston--thanks for the compliments!  kykeon--thanks too; glad you noticed the springs I fashioned! It's nice to hear it was worth the effort!  I'll be honest--I have no idea what you mean about the headlight? I didn't even notice a thing "off" about it--what looks weird about it? I'm seriously curious! Manny--thanks, friend!; glad you approve of the figure and the finish! The cross on the front is indeed from a ref photo, included here....it's on a late-war Brummbar, albeit wothout zimm, but I liked the way it looked; a little different than most that you see? Thanks again all!

As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented.

Nice job!!!

"atta-boy!"

Soon as I finish cleaning the house up I'm going to be back building.

This is a first-rate build in my opinion. I like everything about it. Super!

Now, where's my toilet brush  ........ 

Again, thanks to all who take the time to respond!

Madmike, wingnut, stampede, and tigerman--much apppreciated, guys! I just gave the suspension a light coat of MIG "Dried Mud"-to apply it, I simply ran a thinner-soaked wide brush over the lower hull above the wheels, and then dipped a fat brush into the powder jar and tapped the powder off over the wet hull, and that sealed it right to the hull. I only added a light brushing of them over the wheel faces.

bufflehead--thank you! Yeah, this baby took a looong time, but it was interupted by my building of all Jenn's Christmas and birthday presents, so it was well worth it! 

I have to commend you on a very astute observation as well--the all-steel roadwheeels. To be honest, most photos I've seen of them have the standard 4X rubber and 4X steel wheels--but the DML kit has all 8 as steel wheels. The model is based on--I'm presuming--the late Brummbar in the Samur which has all eight. This is the example upon which I based most of my build. I just couldn't resist adding the rails; they seem to be in most photos sans the actual skirts themselves, and I'm assuming that they were just stripped before being shipped?

Photo courtesy of Jtrowbridge5  on "webshots"

Thanks for the kudo's for "Spooked"--glad you enjoyed it! BTW, the miniart figs set is available  through Squadron.

So that's what you've working on all this time!!  That is one mighty fine looking bear if you don't mind me saying!!  So is the winterketten on to help reduce the ground pressure of that big grizzly?  I also noticed the all steel roadwheels...is this also commmon with these vehicles?

Overall this is a nice, nice build doog!  I love it all, paint scheme, weathering, the banged up but not overly so look of the beast, but I have to say that the TC is particulary well done!  Is he really from the Miniart Winter Panzer Crew set??  Where can I get a set?   I need it for my Winter Warriors GB!!

BTW, congrats again on your "Spooked" article in FSM!!  I picked up that copy just last week....really awesome dio dude!!