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  • From: Dripping Springs, TX, USA
Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:21 PM
Pordoi, beautiful work. And, I noticed the visor but thought it was supposed to be that way. You know, artistic liscense and all.....Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by pordoi on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:04 AM

 panzer88 wrote:
....how's that photoetch on the G for the roof armor?

You must drill the holes in the turret roof to fit the brass pins.  There are guides on the inside of the roof to show where you need to drill but it still must be done with some care so that everything aligns.  Then make sure to dry fit the two brass plates to the pins before glueing.  If you keep everything straight and square, there's no problem with the fit.

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Posted by panzer88 on Monday, May 26, 2008 7:57 PM
I've been watching your builds since you started. You do some great work. The Panther A came out beautiful. I can't wait to see the G. I just picked up the A kit and have been eyeballing the G kit since it was announced. I love everything Panther, how's that photoetch on the G for the roof armor? I might have to add that one to the stash. Looking forward to some pics, great work!!!!!!

     

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Posted by JMart on Monday, May 26, 2008 3:10 PM
very nicely done! I have the A in my stash amd bookmarked this thread for future reference AND inspiration. And thank you for your build "blog" comments, very useful! Cheers

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, May 26, 2008 10:37 AM
Nice pair of Panthers you've got there. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by pordoi on Monday, May 26, 2008 10:12 AM

That small 'a piece could be zimmed the old-fashioned way by even the most zimm-shy modeler...blank the area off w/ some paper (sort of like how a surgeon isolates the cutting area) and use the Cav piece as a guide for the zimm using putty, or maybe even as a "stamp"...then paint and weather...

 

Oh, D'oh.  I'm an idiot Dunce [D)]   That's what I get for posting before my first cup of coffee in the morning.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 26, 2008 8:53 AM
 pordoi wrote:

ps1scw:  Nope.  the tail light is there, just hard to see given the angles of most of the photos.  But have a look at the rear view images during construction; I did neglect to paint it. Always a few things that come up at the end of a build.

 

Manny:  You are right that they are missing, but that's not what I was referring to.  In fact, during the build I noticed that the Panther G had the mushroom caps as separate pieces and I don't recall ever seeing them in the A kit.  I meant to go back and do a thorough search, but forgot.  Thanks for the reminder.  Maybe they're not in the A kit because there were no cables supplied Angry [:(!]

 

Actually, have a look at the drivers visor.  It's not zimmed!  I used the kit part rather than the Cavalier resin part.  Don't know how I missed it because before a build, I usually go through the instructions and mark all replacement parts, PE parts etc.  But I hadn't even marked that part for replacement.  Now it's firmly glued and the supporting armature is a bit delicate.  Don't know if I should leave it as is or try to remove it and risk doing more damage.  Any thoughts or good methods on how to accomplish this?

That small 'a piece could be zimmed the old-fashioned way by even the most zimm-shy modeler...blank the area off w/ some paper (sort of like how a surgeon isolates the cutting area) and use the Cav piece as a guide for the zimm using putty, or maybe even as a "stamp"...then paint and weather...
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  • From: Louisville, KY
Posted by pordoi on Monday, May 26, 2008 6:44 AM

ps1scw:  Nope.  the tail light is there, just hard to see given the angles of most of the photos.  But have a look at the rear view images during construction; I did neglect to paint it. Always a few things that come up at the end of a build.

 

Manny:  You are right that they are missing, but that's not what I was referring to.  In fact, during the build I noticed that the Panther G had the mushroom caps as separate pieces and I don't recall ever seeing them in the A kit.  I meant to go back and do a thorough search, but forgot.  Thanks for the reminder.  Maybe they're not in the A kit because there were no cables supplied Angry [:(!]

 

Actually, have a look at the drivers visor.  It's not zimmed!  I used the kit part rather than the Cavalier resin part.  Don't know how I missed it because before a build, I usually go through the instructions and mark all replacement parts, PE parts etc.  But I hadn't even marked that part for replacement.  Now it's firmly glued and the supporting armature is a bit delicate.  Don't know if I should leave it as is or try to remove it and risk doing more damage.  Any thoughts or good methods on how to accomplish this?

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, May 26, 2008 12:43 AM

 

   Pordoi man that Panther looks awesome.I was eyeing the DML Panther D kit at my lhs the other day and I stopped myself from grabbing it now the next time I'm there I will be snapping it up. 

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:57 PM
 pordoi wrote:

doog:  aww, shucks, man Blush [:I]   But there's no such thing as perfection; there is one glaring error on my Panther that I'm debating whether it's worth fixing.  I'm surprised nobody's dinged me for it yet.  Give you a hint, I went back into the box after the model was painted and said "hmm... wonder what this part is for.....  aw, sh*t!!  Thanks for the compliments.

 

Manny:  The turret armor is already installed on a G.  Here's a pic, all dressed out but still in first coat of paint.  Color may be a bit off in the photo; it was just a quick snapshot made without alot of concern for white balance.

 

 

jadgpanther, mechtech, tigerman:  Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen.

Maybe the mushroom heads on the front tool bracket sides that were often used for tow cable hangers???
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Posted by ps1scw on Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:39 PM
 pordoi wrote:

doog:  aww, shucks, man Blush [:I]   But there's no such thing as perfection; there is one glaring error on my Panther that I'm debating whether it's worth fixing.  I'm surprised nobody's dinged me for it yet.  Give you a hint, I went back into the box after the model was painted and said "hmm... wonder what this part is for.....  aw, sh*t!!  Thanks for the compliments.

 

 

 

 

The only piece that I can see that is missing is the tail-light / reflector on the rear below the muffler.  Was I right?

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  • From: Louisville, KY
Posted by pordoi on Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:31 PM

doog:  aww, shucks, man Blush [:I]   But there's no such thing as perfection; there is one glaring error on my Panther that I'm debating whether it's worth fixing.  I'm surprised nobody's dinged me for it yet.  Give you a hint, I went back into the box after the model was painted and said "hmm... wonder what this part is for.....  aw, sh*t!!  Thanks for the compliments.

 

Manny:  The turret armor is already installed on a G.  Here's a pic, all dressed out but still in first coat of paint.  Color may be a bit off in the photo; it was just a quick snapshot made without alot of concern for white balance.

 

 

jadgpanther, mechtech, tigerman:  Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:23 PM
Beautiful kitties. I really love the weathering.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:14 PM
This is a very nice build, pulled off with just ochre---that's hard to do. Awesome. When I was looking through your in-progress pics I was afraid you were about to attach the turret supplemental armor, which according to my refs were a very-late war measure. Then I saw that you left them off for your final build. Those would look great on a late G !!! Great work, dude.
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Posted by the doog on Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:12 AM

I have to hand it to ya, pordoi--not only is this a really useful cmparison, well presented and expertly photographed, but the finished Panther is honestly one of the finest Panthers I've seen anywhere!

The paint hues and weathering are, in my opinion, absolutely perfect!!! Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

I have seriously eyed those turret armor pieces, and I have to say that you've sold me with the addition--they look really cool!

I'm jealous! Tongue [:P]................Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] WELL DONE!!!!!!! ANd I can't wait to see the "G"!!!!

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  • From: Grand Bay, New Brunswick ,Canada
Posted by MECHTECH on Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:52 AM

Nice....

I have kit 6268 Smart Kit Panther G late production on the shelf not finished yet. Makes me want to get going again. Really nice job!!!!!

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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:42 AM
Cool [8D] yhat build is looking pretty cool. nice work
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Italian Panther build
Posted by pordoi on Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:27 AM

Since it seems that many of the armor folk don't regularly visit the Group Build forum, I've copied some of the posts describing my build of Italian Panthers for the Big Cats Group Build. If you have followed the Big Cats Group Build, you've already seen the following.

 

I'm doing a dual build;

It started with just the early G since I was interested in building a Panther from the Italian front and the recently DML release fit the bill. Then I saw that the DML Premium late A kit that was in the stash also had call outs for an Italian Pz.Div 26 Panther, so I decided to do both. It makes an interesting comparison, a late A with zim and an early G without. The G will include additional roof armor and the early Gs of Pz.Rgt26 also had schurzen and additional add on armor over the fans and rear deck. A Gryphon Models PE set will take care of that

Here's construction in the early stages: The early G hull:

late A with Cavalier zim in place:

and both:

Still a little clean up to do and a small gap to fill between the rear plate and the hull. But the real fun has yet to start. I have limited experience with PE and the Gryphon set is comprehensive, to say the least. 7 frets. The PE supplied with the Premium kit is a bit less intimidating. Nonetheless, I've yet to make a convincing tool clasp. At least there's the option of using the molded tools provided in the kits.

 

Construction continues:

The turret armor on the early G is pretty neat...

..the early G Panthers of Pz.Rgt 26 were a mix. Some had crew a compartment heater and ventilation slats on the starboard side.

Any reason as to why the ventilation slats were only on the right side and not the left?

And the tracks.

 

Progress on the late A continues:

It's interesting that the metal gun barrels supplied in the Dragon kit and in the Griffon PE set used for the early G are visably different in diameter and taper. I don't know if the photos show it but the barrel supplied by Dragon fits much better into the lock than the Griffon gun and to my eye is more accurate that the Griffon.

Next for both kits is some PE work on the tools, which for me will be a bit of a challenge. So promise me that you won't laugh when I post the next series of pics.. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Oh and I forgot to mention that the top hull plates of both kits were warped. The late A was bowed side to side while the G had a corkscrew twist down the length of the top plate. Made for interesting (said sarcastically Angry [:(!]) mates between the upper an lower hulls. Let's just say that some filling was required... What's with quality control these days... SoapBox [soapbox]

 

 

And the Panther A is almost complete now. Panther 211 from the 26.Pz.Div in Italy is depicted in the kit instructions in dunkelgelb and it looks like some faint brown camo stripes. I decided to go just with dunkelgelb, using Tamiya Dark Yellow (XF-60) over a base coat of Tamiya Flat Earth (XF-52). Highlights were added on the larger panels by a spray of XF-60 lightened with a little flat white, then again after lightening a bit more with another dab of white. Decaling was done by the Doog method, applying the decals on the flat painted surface rather than prepping with future. A healthy dose of solvaset settled them nicely into the zim pattern.

Here's lookin' at you..

An umber oil wash was used to highlight detail and weathering was done with oils, pigments and a light overspray of diluted Tamiya Buff, although maybe not in that order; I just do what seems to be needed at the time.

An interesting field modification that was made to some Italian Panthers was the addition of tool boxes over the rear engine vents. I found a resin set from Mig productions that seemed to fit well.

The kits has gone together pretty well; the only issues are the lack of tow cables and the warped top hull plate that I mentioned earlier that made mating top and bottom hulls a bit of a challenge. The metal barrel also adds weight which can unbalance the turret slightly (have a look back at the first photo in this group to see how it's leaning forward). A fishing sinker glued in the rear of the turret should fix that.

The road wheels and lower hull were dirtied by a mixture of Tamiya flat base, Elmers wood glue and finely ground real dirt. This dries a light tan/brown in color which looks like dried mud. A similar mixture with a little raw umber acrylic added to add some darker dirt chunks. Then raw umber was dry brushed to blend the two.

A few additional shots..

 

Thanks for looking. Comments, criticisms and suggestions are welcomed. Next up; finishing construction and painting the early Panther G.

 

Don

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