NEW PICS--page 2--"improved" MPC Charger 500

Very nice work Doog.  

Great attention to detail too.  One to be proud of.

HEY... WHERE"S THE GUN?????? 

One of my fav muslce cars too. And you did the kit justice that's for sure.  Very nicely done

But now it's time to come home... build a tank! 

You should have built that 1st one and titled it... "Dali's Ride" 

This is my sceond time looking at the auto forum and I'm VERY IMPRESED GREAT job!!!!!!!! the weathering undernth is sweet but you forgot the tracks (Hint Hint).

Very nice job!!

Hey guys--thanks so much for the kind comments! It really boosts my confidence in building and finishing a car and seeing it pass the "forum test"! LOL!

I've already got critiques from the "hard core" crowd over at Scale Auto forums: the rims need to be painted inside, trim added to the window bases, the incorrect foil on the side markers up front, the "sit" is indeed too nose-high;--I guess I'm not done yet!

That's what I love about these forums--the chance to improve and build a masterpiece! And to think this build started as a "trial build" for simply learning some techniques? 

Don't worry, fellow Treadheads! I'm not defecting to "the Shiny Side"!  LOL!  Just taking some time away in a different "motor pool"!

Thanks again, all!

warhorse3 wrote:

Doog, nice job ! I like the daily driver weathering. One question though, judging by where you routed the positive (red) battery cable did you put the starter under the dash?

I swear, warhorse--this just proves how totally ignorant I am about cars! 

Where should the wire go to?! I just "eyeballed" it, and in my reference photos it looked like that's where the wire went? I honestly haven't a clue!

Thanks fo rthe compliments, and please, tell me where to re-route the wire? I'm in the middle of re-doing some stuff to it anyhow, so I can correct that also! 

Hey Warhourse; I was wondering the same thing!

But after seeing some of "Doogs" work, I am in no position to criticize any of what he does.

I'm a GM guy so what Chrysler may have done in the 60's & 70's really is nothing I'm familiar with. Although, I must admit, if you look colse, it appears as though the positive cable doog has routed seems to go into what could have been mistaken for a remotely mounted starter solenoid on the firewall.(like a ford) then another cable exits from the other side and routes itself to the right side of the engine compartment. I though maybe that was the way these Hemi's were configured??? But WTF do I know??

Nice build Doog 

wreklund wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the positive(red) battery cable should eventually find it's way to the starter motor. (the starter solenoid actually)

...which would be.....where?

I swear guys; I haven't a clue what the parts are called, or where they are!

I can redo a top end in a dirt bike, swap out the power valve, port it, and analyze the bottom end and crank runout, but I haven't a clue about cars!

Where would the starter be? Whatzit look like? 

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Not sure about a Chrysler, but I think this is it.

wreklund wrote:

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It figures; this kit doesn't even come with one! LOL!

I'll have to recheck my references and re-route that; maybe I can scratchbuild a rudimentary starter to wire it in to?

Thanks a million! That knowledge will come in handy in the future!

YOU DA MAN!!!!

I'll be snapping some photos tonight. I'll take one of an engine with a starter attached and post it for you. It should be very easy to scratch build. 2 short pieces of styrene, one about the size of a pencil, about 1/2 inch long and another about 1/8 inch in diameter and 1/4 inch long welded side by side should do it.

Go out and climb underneath that S-10 of yours and look underneath the passenger side of the engine. You'll see one bolted to the bottom of that intake leaking, 4.3 V-6. And yes, you'll find the positive battery cable attached to it as well!

Might be Sunday morning before I get things loaded and posted. Sit tight.

ps, I love the guitar string tip. I had a "rocker" buddy from work bring me in some old strings the other day. Thanks for the tip.

Cool, man! Thanks!

I'll check that out in my S10--oh and, it's fixed by the way.

Guitar strings should be an integral part of any serious modeler's parts box!  

EDIT--Ok, I searched the net, and is THIS waht we're talking about?

This is the starter? Here?

And can you tell me too--why are there TWO different red wires coming out of that terminal? Where's the other one go?

Great looking build!! i really love the underside!

only thing i would say is the antenna looks a bit to tall

JTRACING wrote:

Great looking build!! i really love the underside!   only thing i would say is the antenna looks a bit to tall

I agree with ya on the antenna--I'm going to chop that....

Thanks again for the !!!

Yep doog, you got it!

If you look close, I think the other wire is purple. It is on this wire that voltage from the ignition switch is sent to the solenoid when one turns the key so as to engage the starter.

Also, any other wires coming from the battery cable connection are carrying battery voltage to other areas of the vehicle. this is a good source of battery voltage. In years past, most circuits were fed from this connection point. (at the starter) However, todays vehicles use a much easier accessible UBEC (underhood-bussed-electrical-center) to distribute battery voltage to the many circuits used today. So, most cars today only have two wires at the starter, one cable from the battery and one smaller "signal" wire from the ignition switch, which is usally purple in color.

If you look close, you will see a third wire showing from the bottom of the starter as well. This is a fusible link. There are other wires that feed your ignition switch and have bulit in fuse protection. should the circuit become overloaded, the fuse section of the wire will melt near the starter, thus preventing damage to the internal wiring of the vehicle.

So, in all actuallity, there really is more than just the positive battery cable attached to the starter solenoid. but these are so small that you would probably have to pluck hair from your head and use that to keep things in scale. know what I mean??

So, just getting the positive cable attached to the small cylinder(solenoid) of the starter, will be more than adequet for this scale.

Got it, wreklund!

That's "golden" information; just what I need!!!!--my sincerest thanks! I'm gonna try to get the two wires in there, as most of my shots really show that prominently. Thanks again for that great info and for taking the time!

If I can ever help you build a tank................

Thanks again!!!!!

Hey Doog,

 All I have to say is that is one mean green lookin machine... I really like the "used" look!! I too will be doing a fast target I mean a Ferriari FXX by Tamiya soon..

 Again great build and the attrention to detail is top notch my friend

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

Thanks, doc and Butz!

I'll be posting updated photos soon! I've corrected even more items, and it should be a pretty accurate Charger 500; certainly more so than the kit give you. Watch this space!

I'm wondering if the negative cable, from the battery, is supposed to be grounded on the chassis, not the engine.

Not a correction, just a question. Excellent build, btw. I've been looking for a '66 Charger to build for my dad.

Steve 

SteveM wrote:

I'm wondering if the negative cable, from the battery, is supposed to be grounded on the chassis, not the engine. Not a correction, just a question. Excellent build, btw. I've been looking for a '66 Charger to build for my dad. Steve

the ground wire is normally attached to the closest intake manifold bolt to the battery. In other words when looking at the engine over the radiator it will be the first bolt on the right side of the intake manifold. If you need a picture email me.

    Also if you add a starter, it should be painted gloss black. The transmission should be painted a rusty black as it was a cast iron case. Alloy cases were not used for road cars till in the mid seventies (although race cars used an aluminium case in the late hemi (1965 or later)

gary

squeakie wrote:

SteveM wrote: I'm wondering if the negative cable, from the battery, is supposed to be grounded on the chassis, not the engine. Not a correction, just a question. Excellent build, btw. I've been looking for a '66 Charger to build for my dad. Steve  the ground wire is normally attached to the closest intake manifold bolt to the battery. In other words when looking at the engine over the radiator it will be the first bolt on the right side of the intake manifold. If you need a picture email me.     Also if you add a starter, it should be painted gloss black. The transmission should be painted a rusty black as it was a cast iron case. Alloy cases were not used for road cars till in the mid seventies (although race cars used an aluminium case in the late hemi (1965 or later) gary

Thanks for that good info there! I believe that the ground wire is adequate where I have it located; it's directly from a reference photo that I have. I think this kit also has a rudimentary starter; I found a blob  that looks like one, LOL! I can easily weather the tranny a little more--thanks for the info--I should have some new update pics real soon!

the doog wrote:

squeakie wrote:  SteveM wrote: I'm wondering if the negative cable, from the battery, is supposed to be grounded on the chassis, not the engine. Not a correction, just a question. Excellent build, btw. I've been looking for a '66 Charger to build for my dad. Steve  the ground wire is normally attached to the closest intake manifold bolt to the battery. In other words when looking at the engine over the radiator it will be the first bolt on the right side of the intake manifold. If you need a picture email me.     Also if you add a starter, it should be painted gloss black. The transmission should be painted a rusty black as it was a cast iron case. Alloy cases were not used for road cars till in the mid seventies (although race cars used an aluminium case in the late hemi (1965 or later) gary Hey Gary--I was wondering when you would weigh in?! Thanks for that good info there! I believe that the ground wire is adequate where I have it located; it's directly from a reference photo that I have. I think this kit also has a rudimentary starter; I found a blob  that looks like one, LOL! I can easily weather the tranny a little more--thanks for the info--I should have some new update pics real soon!

I just got back home last night from a veterans reunion. Found out just how lucky I was, nad others found out I'm alive and well.

gary