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WHat's the best auto model manufacturer?
Posted by the doog on Monday, March 10, 2008 4:19 PM

Hey guys--one more question, if I may?

Over in Armor, we pretty much know who the "big players" are, as far as  Armor models go--who makes the best detailed kit, who has the best/worst tracks, the best instuctions, etc.

As I'm looking through auto models, I'm wondering who makes the best detailed Auto kits? I've noticed several big players--AMT, Monogram, MPC, Lindbergh, Johan--what are the strengths and/or weaknesses of these companies? Any real stinkers to stay away from? Any heads-and-tails above the rest?

Specifically, who has the best details, and interior details especially? WHo would you recommend me away from?

Thanks in advance!!!! Big Smile [:D]  the doog

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Posted by Aaronw on Monday, March 10, 2008 5:05 PM

It really depends each have their great kits and their crap kits. Also auto modeling was one of the first and there are many re-issues of kits first seen in the 60's along with the common metal axles, indifferent detail etc but also the only kit around of the subject. In this respect it is a little like armor, the way many of the older Tamiya kits were designed for electric motors.

With autos subject matter is often what determines who you get the kit from. Its not like armor and aircraft where you may have a choice of several kits from a couple of manufacturers.

 

In general the Japanese kit makers have the best reputations, Tamiya in particular, but they also do more curbsides than the American kit makers. They also tend to be focused on Japanese and European cars. If you want a detailed motor or an American Muscle car you will usually have to go with one of the American companies.

Tamiya kits are fantastic, I just got their Alpine 1600SC, I could almost just lay the sprues on the shelf and call it done.

AMT / Ertl has some very nice truck kits, also many good 50-60's era cars. They also have numerous re-issues from the 60's-70's which are very bare bones kits. Not bad if you know but many complain when they expect full detail and they get something similar to a well detailed dealer promo. AMT / Ertl has many nice big rig kits.

Revell also has many good kits. Monogram is part of Revell, sometimes the kit shows Monogram sometimes not. In general Revell / Monogram kits are very nice. 

Italeri and Revell Germany share many molds, so you find many similar kits under either brand name. You also find this with RoG and Revell. From my experience these are nice kits, but most are European vehicles except for a few American big rigs.

Lindberg came under new ownership last year and seems to be doing quite well. Lindberg has many old kits from other manufacturers, some of these are good some not. The 1934 Ford pickup is an ex AMT kit and is very nice, the Auburn, Cord and '48 Lincoln typically make the 10 worst kits ever lists. In general most Lindberg kits are decent to very good. Again they offer some unusual kits, the Dodge A100 pickup and L700 big rig being good examples. 

Johan is on life support, technically it is still in buisness but the owner is struggling, so you usually have to get them on ebay or model shows. The kits tend to be fairly basic but they make up for that in options (many are 3 in 1 or more kits) and unusual subjects.

Heller and Airfix have about the same reputation as they do in other areas, some good some bad but mostly you get them because nobody else makes a kit of the subject.

MPC was absorbed by AMT / ERTL in the 80's, you can find these kits under the AMT brand or the MPC brand on occasion.

 

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Posted by RALPH G WILLIAMS on Monday, March 10, 2008 6:19 PM

I think Revell has some very nice kits for the money. Kits of classic cars of the 60"s and 70"s and the more modern racer series of Indy cars. Usually I go to Hobby Lobby with my 40% off coupon and get a very nice model for around 7-8 dollars.   The fit has also been very good in these models

Other forum members have also posted very good choices.

rg

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 10, 2008 10:45 PM

Thanks Ralph and Aaron--you pretty much gave a pretty complete synopsis of what I was loooking for there, Aaron! Big Smile [:D]Thumbs Up [tup]

I'm basically loooking for which cars will have the best interior details, like separate seats, that I can "option out" to create a couple "junkyard" cars--I'm absolutely fascinated with old rusting cars, broken down old farmhouses, rusting construction equipment, etc---anything with an old story waiting to be discovered in it's bones.

I'd be looking for American cars, so I appreciate the information! Thanks again! Smile [:)] 

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Posted by dostacos on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:16 AM

you guys know he only REALLY wants a car to crush with a tank, right?Mischief [:-,]

 sorry I just could not resist.....

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:25 AM
 dostacos wrote:

you guys know he only REALLY wants a car to crush with a tank, right?Mischief [:-,]

 sorry I just could not resist.....

LOL!!! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by RALPH G WILLIAMS on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:11 PM

When I see a rusted classic auto , a dilapidated farm house or junked farm equipment I always think of it as being a bit sad. Perhaps I see it as a loss of simpler times and an era when people were tied closer to the land. The cheaper gas was also nice.

doog,

We hope to see your work, it sounds very interesting. Perhaps you could write a narrative of your completed project if you choose to display on the forum.

Best regards.

rg

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:41 PM
 RALPH G WILLIAMS wrote:

When I see a rusted classic auto , a dilapidated farm house or junked farm equipment I always think of it as being a bit sad. Perhaps I see it as a loss of simpler times and an era when people were tied closer to the land. The cheaper gas was also nice.

doog,

We hope to see your work, it sounds very interesting. Perhaps you could write a narrative of your completed project if you choose to display on the forum.

Best regards.

rg

I DO plan to document the build and finish, Ralph! It will probably be in a few weeks; I have to finish a big ol' panzer first! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by SNOOPY on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:12 PM

 

You should have plenty of resource there around Auburn.  The pick-n-pull or Klabens on 5/20 in Sennett.  Actually, in Sennett there is a bunch of farms where you can see some classics just rusting away.  Look forward to your documentation.

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:38 PM
 SNOOPY wrote:

 

You should have plenty of resource there around Auburn.  The pick-n-pull or Klabens on 5/20 in Sennett.  Actually, in Sennett there is a bunch of farms where you can see some classics just rusting away.  Look forward to your documentation.

Hey Snoopy! (Name of my childhood beagle, by the way! Big Smile [:D]) How do you know Auburn? Are you from around here?
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Posted by SNOOPY on Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:32 AM
 the doog wrote:
 SNOOPY wrote:

 

You should have plenty of resource there around Auburn.  The pick-n-pull or Klabens on 5/20 in Sennett.  Actually, in Sennett there is a bunch of farms where you can see some classics just rusting away.  Look forward to your documentation.

Hey Snoopy! (Name of my childhood beagle, by the way! Big Smile [:D]) How do you know Auburn? Are you from around here?

Yes, I live in Elbridge.  The little town on the edge of two counties nobody really claimsSmile [:)]  Snoopy has always been my favorite Peanuts character.  I thought it was cool reading your article in FSM and learning your from Auburn.  I could resist the run cars in the local farm fields near us.  I've seen some nice cars just go to waste.

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:20 AM
 SNOOPY wrote:
 the doog wrote:
 SNOOPY wrote:

 

You should have plenty of resource there around Auburn.  The pick-n-pull or Klabens on 5/20 in Sennett.  Actually, in Sennett there is a bunch of farms where you can see some classics just rusting away.  Look forward to your documentation.

Hey Snoopy! (Name of my childhood beagle, by the way! Big Smile [:D]) How do you know Auburn? Are you from around here?

Yes, I live in Elbridge.  The little town on the edge of two counties nobody really claimsSmile [:)]  Snoopy has always been my favorite Peanuts character.  I thought it was cool reading your article in FSM and learning your from Auburn.  I could resist the run cars in the local farm fields near us.  I've seen some nice cars just go to waste.

Cool, man!

Elbridge--the "slow town" on the way to Syracuse as I always think of it! (&%#$! 30 mph speed limit! LOL!)

I agree with you 119% about Snoopy! I've got a couple of old Charles Schultz books and have always loved Snoopy, especially since we had named our beagle that. Best rabbit dog you ever saw too. He'd run a scent until my Dad would literally have to carry him put of the fields from exhaustion. He'd just sit right down, like "I'm done"!

I haven't seen too many junkyards/rotting cars around here, but I want to spend an afternoon  photographing some--anywhere around here you know where that can happen? The Pick-n-pulll would be ok I suppose, but most of the stuff there is so cannibalized...I like those old cars that have just sat for years, brown with rust, trees growing up through the hood, etc!

Hey do you ever go to Syrcon? The Syracuse IPMS contest in the fall up in Syracuse? I've competed there for the last 5 years or so... 

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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:31 PM
 the doog wrote:
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I haven't seen too many junkyards/rotting cars around here, but I want to spend an afternoon  photographing some--anywhere around here you know where that can happen? The Pick-n-pulll would be ok I suppose, but most of the stuff there is so cannibalized...I like those old cars that have just sat for years, brown with rust, trees growing up through the hood, etc!

 

Up until about five years ago there was such a yunkyard in the tiny town of Avenal California. It has been pertty much untouched, three different yards on two different corners, for at least the last 25 years, classic cars piled on top of classic cars. The shop adjoining them had gone out of business years before and the son of the now-deceased owner had no interest. Finally, the city gave notice that it all had to be cleaned up and a massive aution was held,one day only. The lots pretty well cleared out and the cars had been stacked three deep in there.   People came from all around to haul out the mid fifties and sixties vintage cars.

 

David

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Posted by SNOOPY on Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:02 PM

I have gone to Syrcon a couple of times.  I have not shown any thing there.  So far I hvae not built anything I would consider even showing there.  I am not very good at this building thing.  I do like to try.

After Todays news, Elbridge will not be considered the slow town after the accident this morning.  Some people interview says that the average speed limit is 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit.  I do not know how they measure that one.  I guess I always get stuck behind the real slow people.

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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:06 PM
 PatlaborUnit1 wrote:
 the doog wrote:
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I haven't seen too many junkyards/rotting cars around here, but I want to spend an afternoon  photographing some--anywhere around here you know where that can happen? The Pick-n-pulll would be ok I suppose, but most of the stuff there is so cannibalized...I like those old cars that have just sat for years, brown with rust, trees growing up through the hood, etc!

 

Up until about five years ago there was such a yunkyard in the tiny town of Avenal California. It has been pertty much untouched, three different yards on two different corners, for at least the last 25 years, classic cars piled on top of classic cars. The shop adjoining them had gone out of business years before and the son of the now-deceased owner had no interest. Finally, the city gave notice that it all had to be cleaned up and a massive aution was held,one day only. The lots pretty well cleared out and the cars had been stacked three deep in there.   People came from all around to haul out the mid fifties and sixties vintage cars.

 

David

 

At one time there was even an M3 Stuart light tank in there, I used to have dreams of restoring it but reality doesn't usually cooperate with such things. I have a hard enough time keeping my Land Cruiser on the road. Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:12 PM
 SNOOPY wrote:

I have gone to Syrcon a couple of times.  I have not shown any thing there.  So far I hvae not built anything I would consider even showing there.  I am not very good at this building thing.  I do like to try.

After Todays news, Elbridge will not be considered the slow town after the accident this morning.  Some people interview says that the average speed limit is 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit.  I do not know how they measure that one.  I guess I always get stuck behind the real slow people.

Yeah, I heard about that, Snoopy. A bad deal. I hope they don't reduce the speed any more--I'll have to use Franklin Street up to Bennets corners just to get there "on time"! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 patlaborunit and AaronW--I would freak if I ever came upon a tank in a junkyard! They'd find me dead of exhaustion after trying to push it out! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:31 PM
 the doog wrote:
 SNOOPY wrote:

I have gone to Syrcon a couple of times.  I have not shown any thing there.  So far I hvae not built anything I would consider even showing there.  I am not very good at this building thing.  I do like to try.

After Todays news, Elbridge will not be considered the slow town after the accident this morning.  Some people interview says that the average speed limit is 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit.  I do not know how they measure that one.  I guess I always get stuck behind the real slow people.

Yeah, I heard about that, Snoopy. A bad deal. I hope they don't reduce the speed any more--I'll have to use Franklin Street up to Bennets corners just to get there "on time"! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 patlaborunit and AaronW--I would freak if I ever came upon a tank in a junkyard! They'd find me dead of exhaustion after trying to push it out! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

 

Yeah, I did some quick calculations in my head and figured out it wasn't happening with a Toyota Tacoma. Probably would have looked a bit like the cop car at the drive in scene from American Grafiti.

I actually just ran across the photos on some guys photo website back in 2000, he had some various junk yard photos among other less interesting stuff. I grew up in the SF Bay Area but never knew about the place until it was gone. I'm hoping the tank ended up in the Littlefield collection or at least somebodies collection who will take care of it, it didn't look to bad in the pics.

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Posted by DURR on Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:42 PM

in armor there is a lot over overlap ,i mean evryone makes sherms, tigers etc so you have a good choice as to what co. you like best 

 not as much overlap in models of autos, maybe a mustang,  but anyway you are not really going to be able to choose anything by manufac. as much as subject matter examples are 69 ford galaxie (amt only) 62 chrysler (johan only) etc... so what ever level of detail for your specific car is ,well   your stuck with

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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:38 PM

I don't know if you have a particular car in mind but I asked for suggestions on a model car site I'm on and got the following suggestions for kits to consider.

 

ProModeler 40 Ford (I think this is a Revell / Monogram with extra detail parts, PE etc)

AMT '57 Chrysler 300 (I've heard this is one of AMT's best kits)

AMT '49 Ford & Mercury

Trumpeter '60 Pontiac Bonneville (I think this may have been sarcastic as the kit had rather critical reviews, I think they would just like to see it run over by a tank Dead [xx(] Big Smile [:D] )

Any '51-58 Chevy or Ford (that covers a lot of ground since almost everybody has made at least one kit of the 55-57 Chevy)

I've also heard AMT's Ford Edsel was a nice kit as well and it is certainly distinctive, most of AMT and Revell's pickups were really good kits as well, in particular the '50 Chevy, '53 Ford, '60 Chevy and '64 & '65 Chevy. AMT's 69-72 Chevy / GMC trucks were the old promo style with metal axles so you might want to avoid them although they work well when combined with the better detailed '60-65 chassis. Revell's '56 Ford truck has opening doors which makes it a somewhat fussy kit to build but might be paricularly useful for your project.

Galaxie is a small kit maker but they have an amazing '46-48 Chevy available as a sedan or sedan delivery. I'd recommend this one except I'd hate to see it not get built shiny.

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Posted by Racedriver on Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:31 PM

Its pretty weird calling Elbridge the "slow" town considering one of the fastest D.I.R.T Modified tracks is in that town,Rolling Wheels Raceway. Although I understand you are talking about the town speed limit it just hit me as ironic.

By the way Doog I would say Revell/Monogram for American cars, they are pretty detailed-think Tamiya to armor is Revell/Monogram to cars. They are not quite as detailed as Dragon to armor but they fit together well and the mouldings are usually good with not alot of clean up required.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 17, 2008 12:40 PM
 Racedriver wrote:

Its pretty weird calling Elbridge the "slow" town considering one of the fastest D.I.R.T Modified tracks is in that town,Rolling Wheels Raceway. Although I understand you are talking about the town speed limit it just hit me as ironic.

By the way Doog I would say Revell/Monogram for American cars, they are pretty detailed-think Tamiya to armor is Revell/Monogram to cars. They are not quite as detailed as Dragon to armor but they fit together well and the mouldings are usually good with not alot of clean up required.

Hey racedriver, thanks for that info! I guess you've been there then huh? Actually, the racetrack is kinda on the outskirts of town; it doesn't actually get "slow" until another mile or so heading East...hey, did you ever race up a Mokatek Speedway in Lakeville, up near Lake Wallenpaupack in Pennsylvania? It was off ROute 590, on Peiffer Road. It was a real short 1/4 mile track--I think the locals might've gotten it closed down becasue of noise a few years ago, but it might still be going? What a great time could be had there! I used to go every year,,,

Aaron, and DURR, thanks as well for that info--Aaron, that listing was very helpful as well!

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Posted by fantacmet on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:39 PM

WEll AMT Has been floundering lately past couple of years as far as quality goes.  Some good detail and moldings, but problems abound everywhere else.

Revell/Monogram Good stuff, good detail, and the like.

Both of the above have good and bad and are reissuing old kits at the same price as their newer kits, which is unfair really. 

Nothing I can say about Johan that hasn't been said.

Tamiya, excellent moldings, usually curbised with no engine details.

Fujimi, pretty much same line as Tamiya.

Aoshima Same as above.

Testors/Italeri/RevelAG, same deal.

Trumpeter, good moldings, mostly accurate, very delicate, and major fit issues.  Some details wrong.  Need some work by an experienced modeler but can be made into VERRY nice kits. 

No experience with the Airfix kits and such.

It really all depends on what you are after.  If you want kits that are easy to mod such as lowering, etc, stick with the American Manufacturers.  Althuogh soon this is going to be pointless.  RC2 has vowed to stop making kits and concentrate solely on diecast which will mean the end of the AMT line.  Revel was bought out, and the new owners are planning to only make them available to a select few(less then 5 companies) to sell.  The prices are going to skyrocket when that is complete and will be in the same price range as their Asian and European counterparts, which are generally of might higher quality, so people will probably for the most part stop buying them.  I'm sure as hell not paying 40+ bucks for a kit that was tooled some 40 years ago.  The out of country kits are harder to do things such as lowering, but if you can get some axles, it is easy to lift their 4x4 models.

This has been my two pennies, and since that's about all I have to my name is 2 pennies, I'm gonna bail off this thread.

*EDIT*

If you want NASCAR kits avoid AMT like the plague and stick with Revell.  Known to be the best racecar kits you can get hands down.

AS for comparisons, think of AMT as a smidge better then Maquette.

    

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Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:28 PM
 fantacmet wrote:

WEll AMT Has been floundering lately past couple of years as far as quality goes.  Some good detail and moldings, but problems abound everywhere else.

 

AMT is under new management, the guy heading up this group is a model guy and it is hoped he will turn the company into what it once was before RC2 got their hands on it.

 

http://www.autoworldhobby.com/newsdetail.aspx?id=30

 

 

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Posted by fantacmet on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:00 PM
Thats right, I forgot someone had bought them again.  I shuldn't have forgotten, as since I've been talking about it with my Uncle, the main thing at this point is working on getting the licensing to do all the Star Trek kits.  One thing I hope they fix is their dreadful Escalade kit.  The one where the exhaust is coming out the side of the block instead of the head where it is supposed to be. Plus some other things on it.  Considering the overall engraving and such is so nice.  AMT Once really did make some fine stuff.  Hopefully the General Lee kit will be fixed as well.  I still stand by the position that Revell/Monogram NASCAR kits beat the socks off anything AMT did for NASCAR.

    

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Posted by Aaronw on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:02 AM
I wouldn't be able to tell a good NASCAR kit from a bad one, but your comments are pretty much inline with what I've heard from others. I was just pointing out AMT might be back, many had pretty much written them off. After seeing how Revell and Lindberg turned around with some new blood, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for AMT they have made a lot of nice kits so I'd hate to lose them. 
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Posted by Racedriver on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:50 AM
 the doog wrote:
 Racedriver wrote:

Its pretty weird calling Elbridge the "slow" town considering one of the fastest D.I.R.T Modified tracks is in that town,Rolling Wheels Raceway. Although I understand you are talking about the town speed limit it just hit me as ironic.

By the way Doog I would say Revell/Monogram for American cars, they are pretty detailed-think Tamiya to armor is Revell/Monogram to cars. They are not quite as detailed as Dragon to armor but they fit together well and the mouldings are usually good with not alot of clean up required.

Hey racedriver, thanks for that info! I guess you've been there then huh? Actually, the racetrack is kinda on the outskirts of town; it doesn't actually get "slow" until another mile or so heading East...hey, did you ever race up a Mokatek Speedway in Lakeville, up near Lake Wallenpaupack in Pennsylvania? It was off ROute 590, on Peiffer Road. It was a real short 1/4 mile track--I think the locals might've gotten it closed down becasue of noise a few years ago, but it might still be going? What a great time could be had there! I used to go every year,,,

Aaron, and DURR, thanks as well for that info--Aaron, that listing was very helpful as well!

 

Yeah I helped a guy who ran at Mok a tek for specials shows only which was 2 or 3 times a year. I think it re-opened at the end of last year but I'm not positive.If you liked speed it wasnt the place to be but if you liked good side by side racing it was great.

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:04 AM
 Racedriver wrote:
 

Yeah I helped a guy who ran at Mok a tek for specials shows only which was 2 or 3 times a year. I think it re-opened at the end of last year but I'm not positive.If you liked speed it wasnt the place to be but if you liked good side by side racing it was great.

Yeah, it wasn't the best hi-speed track for drivers, but man, you could always count on some fierce racing--like you said, side-by-side, and you could see the entire track where ever you sat. Lots of great memories from that place....Big Smile [:D]
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