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Inexpensive vaccuform machine?
Posted by salvine on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:49 PM

What are people using out there. My usage would be mostly making correct scale 1/144th canopies for aircraft. I'm totally new to this process so any help would be great. What works for making a mold? Can I use the kit canopy to form a mold?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 9:17 AM

For something that small I'd try to find a Mattel machine.  Maybe post a "wanted" on eBay or a place like that. The Mattel machines work great for small canopies.

I bought Doug Walsh's book to make a bigger machine, but was a bit disappointed.  I wanted more draw for the bigger parts and was unable to get enough vacuum.

I'll try again if I find a better vacuum source.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Boba Fett on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 9:21 AM

don't even need that. Get a "project box" from radio shack, drill holes in the top about 1 cm apart, and cut a hole in the side for a shop vac. for the size you're using, that's all you need. Put the plastic in a frame of metal, and heat it over a toaster. once it sags, slap it on, and turn on the vac.

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:02 AM

A design of a simple vacuforming machine is described here

Hope it helps, have a nice day

Pawel

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:51 AM

You can make one from a bread box, mesh and a few angled pieces of aluminum pretty cheaply.  I describe how I built mine here.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:30 PM

DON has given some good advice and the "MATTEL" VAC-U-FORM machine is perfect ! I recently acquired a new one. The thing is ,the machines are rare to non-existant in some areas. The one I found at a flea market last SUNDAYwas still in it,s original box , with ALL  the included parts and pieces . The fact is that after My original machine was stolen in 1978 it has taken ALL these years to find another one . What shocked me was the price . I have seen them on E-BAY at times (again very rare) and for their condition and all ,the prices are too high  .I only  paid,"GASP " $25.00 for this one and it works fine !! You CAN build a homeade one that closely follows the MATTEL design type. It would work !! You can make a simple vacuum frame that attaches to your shop vac. The heating frame can be small enough the fit in a simple temperature controlled toaster oven . There are books on the subject so check them out .      tankerbuilder

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Posted by salvine on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:52 PM

I see a couple of these on Ebay. What else is needed to make model parts? Do you need to make a frame to hold the plastic? Also, Can you use the original kit canopy as the mold? That would be nice but seems to easy.

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Posted by salvine on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 2:15 PM

Sure looks like the Mattel machine will work for me. I see now from a you tube video that this should work fine without wrecking the original canopy. I assume I will have to paint on the canopy framework since at 1/144th scale there will be little of this detail that will come out in the part that I make. I think I'll grab one of these. There are also companies out there that sell small sheets of plastic at a pretty reasonable cost as well as rebuild kits.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 2:51 PM

A potato and a paper-clip...

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Posted by salvine on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 2:52 PM

What did I miss?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, February 3, 2011 9:05 AM

salvine

I see a couple of these on Ebay. What else is needed to make model parts? Do you need to make a frame to hold the plastic? Also, Can you use the original kit canopy as the mold? That would be nice but seems to easy.

The Mattel machine included a little "tray" that was used to hold the patterns supplied with the machine.  If you made your own patterns you needed a way to fasten them to the tray.  White glue or several other methods worked- you needed something with a temporary bond.

Yes, lots of folks use kit canopies for patterns.

It is a pain to cut sheet styrene to the correct size and punch numerous holes in the blank to fit the Mattel frame.  There have been several sources for pre-sized and pre-punched sheets of clear plastic, but they come and go.  Don't know if any are in business currently. If there are, you should pick up a supply.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by hawkeye2an_L-Bird_fan on Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:18 PM

Here is the source I use for pre-cut sheets and re-build parts for the Matel unit.

www.gaugepods.com/vacuform          

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Posted by mfsob on Monday, February 14, 2011 8:19 AM

Yeah, in 1/144 you'd best break out your 15/0 brush for the canopy lines Bang Head . Or just buy Minicraft kits, same difference!

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Posted by salvine on Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:44 AM

What thickness are people using for canopies? 10Mil for 1/144 canopies?

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Posted by mark956 on Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:52 AM

Hello,

Here is a link to a vacuform machine that does not cost to much.

http://nautilusmodels.com/vac-u-box.htm

Mark

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, April 25, 2011 7:50 AM

SALVINE - Listen , I just saw a friend of mine do just what you want . He has a frame (simple ) for the sheet plastic .He heats it with a heat gun and then places it on a wooden box he glued to the top of a vacuum that you can get at HOME DEPOT or LOWES for under thirty bucks . This works very well ! Now , as far as your molds , you can use the original part . I used to , on my old  VAC-U-FORM ,  use modeling clay to support it , FLORIST,S  clay works better . (No oil in it that will leach out .) As far as a vacuum baseplate to put your part on ,you can buy a piece of "storm door" plexi and make a "PLATEN" (that,s the official name for the part for the size vacuum box you make. (OH , the vac sits on top of a five gallon bucket !) With your platen that you will drill lots of holes in and put spacers under you will have more than enough "draw" from the machine . Just make sure your part is clean , trimmed of any flash and waxed . The wax will prevent it from sticking to the new part . Do REMEMBER this ,you cannot do parts that tuck under or have any kind of sharp undercut . That is the major limitation of this system . The "platen" can be any from one that does indeed fit the old MATTEL machine or any other size you wish . My new platens are 6x6 , 8x8 and an extra large 16x16 inches square . You can do round if you wish ,Just make sure you drill enough holes for the vacuum to draw real good when you switch it on . You know how a vacuum sounds when you stick the hose on a machine that is turned on to a flat surface or the palm of your hand ? That sound needs to be heard , just not as intense . There you hace it , I wish you luck and happy modeling .       tankerbuilder   P.S. If you can carve well , make your molds from basswood , just make sure the wood is sealed and polished smooth .

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:06 PM

Don , You should try the "RIGID" brand vacuum that fits on ANY five gallon bucket . The power of this vac is just perfect for the use of vacu-forming parts . The thing is , how fast are you from heat gun to vac plate ? That,s the only drawback I can see , but , for those I know that use it , it is more than sufficient .        tankerbuilder

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