NP drum kit in 1/12 scale WIP Update 8.28

Hey nam,

I think a 1/16 hole works sfor scale. Drums are in a rehearsal studio at the moment, so I can't take the most accurate measurement. However, 1/16 looks right, on a ruler

Steve

ps- thnx for thinking about this, too.

SteveM.....I have been dabbling with the cymbal option (in between GB's) over the past months........I've had promising and other results with aluminum flashing and brass foil.

What sized hole do you need for the wingnut stud? I may be able to swing it! 

Hi Rob,

Thanks for looking and for the suggestions. I'm gratefull for all ideas put on the table from any and all modelers. Everyone has unique experience and I appreciate all imput.

For the heads, I've got some thin transparent sheets in the same tint as what you've used for the windows on the 25 t (which is a beautiful build, btw). I think it's called PVC (?? which confuses me, because that makes me think of plumbing pipe). 

Yes, it's those damn cymbals which have me stuck, for sure. I'm going to take a look at the soda can bottom idea you've tossed in there.

The idea that I keep going over, in my mind, is the lathe / vacu-form method (neither of which I actually own, and can see accidentally killing myself with either). Wood blank, styrene vacu-formed.

I should probably go sign up for an informal shop class at the local Community College

Thanks again, Jantrix. These are awesome suggestions. 

Steve

I'm very impressed with this build idea. Unless I've missed something, it seems only the drum skins and the symbols are still being kicked around.

As for the skins, how about a book report cover, which is very thin clear acetate. It also comes in colors occasionally. Another colored alternative would be a sheet of plastic shim stock. This is something a machinist would use daily. They come in a variety of colors, each color designating a thickness of the plastic, and the thinnest stuff is colored and translucent. I used some for the glass in this 25 T.

 As for the symbols, some auto builders will cut the curved bottom from a soda can out and make wheel discs from them. Seems to me, you could use this for your symbols as well. You'de have to do some work with them to get the required dish though. Pressing the disc down on top of a small washer would give you the dimple at the top where the symbol would mount. As for the distinctive brass color, perhaps a liquid patina, like stained glass artists use over their soldered joints. I have also seen brass colored gold flake kits in my local Michaels.

 Sorry if these issues have been solved already, but these idea popped to mind.

Yeah, that detail has to be there. Not so much the air holes, but the kit's big enough to where lugs would be missed, if not present. Some brass rod will do the job. Real thin... more like brass thread. But, with the right size drill bit, it shouldn't be too hard.

jinithith2 wrote:

This is amazing!!! I return to the forum after a couple months of being gone, and I find this!!! WOW!! Now you got me planning a scale model of a bass... perhaps Geddy's black Jazz bass?

Thanks! Glad it got you thinking on the same level. If you make a bass in 1/12 scale, we got a band goin"!

Steve

Thanks, Jacob. I've got a brand new, unopened bottle of Candy Apple red ready for the job. Also, been playing with some Liquid Leaf for all of the brass hardware- from the stands down to the lug housings, rims, and yes... possibly even the lugs (if I dare to venture into the nanoscale ). Though I did buy some microscopic brass rod for the job.

Thanks a lot for looking.

Steve

nice overall very accurate it would be cool to have a shiny finish though...

What kind of drum kit is that you're sitting behind in your avatar? I'd like to see some bigger pictures.

Nothing new... I showed a fellow musician friend the other day, and he loved it. His enthusiasm ggets going a bit (as well as yours ), but I don't have the best work schedule to be doing much of ny modeling right now. That's fixin' to change soon, so ...

Thanks for the push, Jim.

Steve

Tell him I'll make his kit. That'll get me goin' again

Steve

Hi Steve.  Just investigating the site a bit.  Phil's a great guy to work for.  I've been with him

for 17 years.

I've only really read the first page of this thread, but in reference to duplicating finishes..I

would suggest using printed, shrunk-down, samples of the finishes on quality photo paper.

All the drum companies have little inset examples of their available finishes on their sites.

Maybe you could start from there?  Or recreate some of them with Photoshop or Illustrator.

I look forward to watching your progress.  Music stores might be a source for some of your

cymbals in the form of lapel pins or medallions. 

Of course...you'll have to build a couple of flight cases for the background! 

BTW  Phil models HO scale trains. 

Munch wrote:

Looks very, very good!  I work for Phil Collins as his drum tech.  I also model Nscale trains. I would love to find a drumset and other scale "rock" figures in n.  Looks like an interesting site here!   Munch

Thanks, Jim and Munch. I wish I could say that I've made progress, but I haven't.

Phil seems like he might be a nice guy to work for. Tell us more

Steve

Looks very, very good!  I work for Phil Collins as his drum tech.  I also model Nscale trains.

I would love to find a drumset and other scale "rock" figures in n.  Looks like an interesting site here!

Munch 

Mini-Tiger wrote:

Do you mean these...... http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=-2&typeID=11&productID=2268 Or these http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/APX_OZone_Crash_18_AP1800.cfm  Hope this is of some use

The one I saw looked like the Sabian. Listening to the sample on Sabian's website, that's an interesting sounding cymbal. It sounds to me like a cross between a China cymbal and a splash.

Funny thing is... when I first started playing, as a kid, and couldn't afford decent cymbals, those are what mine sounded like. All chopped up, with tears in them, pathetic excuses for crashes. Now, they're high dollar, effect crashes.

Steve

 Do you mean these......

http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=-2&typeID=11&productID=2268

Or these

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/APX_OZone_Crash_18_AP1800.cfm

 Hope this is of some use

SteveM wrote:

When people used to ask me, "who do you sound like as a drummer?", I used to tell them, "like John Bonham... without the talent" Steve     SteveM, earlier tonight I just managed to catch the tail end of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' Super Bowl halftime show (I was out cooking hamburgers on the barbecue and missed the show) and caught a glimpse of what looked like a very unusual cymbal around the drum set. This cymbal appeared to have half a dozen holes, each about the size of a quarter or perhaps a little bigger. Unfortunately, the show ended and I never got another look. Did I see right that there were holes drilled through this cymbal or did I inhale a bit too much smoke from the barbecue? (Either way, the hamburgers turned out delicious.)

Yeah....very dumb not to have mentioned Bonzo....and Jim Barton....I know a place to get that foil pan you mentioned (I missed your post previously, sorry).....a Chinese food joint and a soup joint.

This may be the key! I can see it now.

Nam 

When people used to ask me, "who do you sound like as a drummer?", I used to tell them, "like John Bonham... without the talent"

Steve

Thanks for the info Steve.

Keltner....yes, he gets overlooked.....helluva resume when you look at his body of work.

Another couple favorites: The Police.....Copeland(?)....and Bun E. Carlos of Cheap Trick. 

Jim- I've been pondering the styrene approach, and the vacuu-forming. I've never done that before, so all I have are theories. The all important grooves... I've thought about using something along the lines of a compass. The grooves dont need to be too pronounced, just hinted. Like you guys have said, a wash to pull them out. This seems very labor-intensive... I'd never get Bozzio's kit done in this lifetime

Brings me to the idea that I think would produce the most, the easiest, with the best looking, cymbals: stamping them out of thin brass sheet. A male and female mold, annealed thin brass.

Either method I choose, and it's gonna get hot in my kitchen.

Nam- how could I forget Charlie? Stan is a God for me. He and Petty weren't seeing eye to eye when it came to what a drum track should be. Jeff Lynch, after producing Full Moon Fever (with Jim Keltner on drums- another hero of mine), gave Petty the taste for simple, metronomic drum lines. Stifled Lunch's playing, so he left. Made a good living with some session work. Co-wrote with Don Henley. Started his own songwriting / producing. Heartbearkers ain't been the same for me since he left. Watching Stan play on Saturday Night Live in '79 solidified the deal for me, as far as being a drummer. Been makin' noise ever since.

Steve