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  • Member since
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  • From: Carrollton, Texas
Lift Here! Cessna 310 1/72
Posted by BraniffBuff on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:24 AM

(This was originally posted on several other forums, so if you have already read it, my apologies. But I wanted to make sure that other modelers of civil aircraft see it.)

Lift Here! is a Serbian company which has produced some interesting and unique kits and decals, but this is the first one I have purchased. Scale is 1/72. I've just received it, and here's a preliminary in-the-box review. I've been a fan of the 310 ever since seeing Sky King's "Songbird" on television in the late 1950s and 1960s, and have collected quite a bit of information on the airplane. So I was somewhat disappointed when I took a close look.

The kit is molded in a dense, white resin which makes the extremely fine engraved detail hard to see. No bubbles are evident. The majority of the fuselage is a one-piece part, with a cavity for cabin interior details. Cabin top/windows/windshields is a one-piece item, vacuum-formed in clear plastic; two copies are included, a nice idea. The cabin top and windows are also given as a one-piece resin part with glass areas indented for those who do not want to detail the cabin. Interior details include seats, instrument panel, instrument panel glare shield, and control wheels, but no guide to their placement is included. The wing including engines and tip tanks is one piece. All parts aresealed in a plastic bag, which is then further sealed in a zip-lock bag, so there is no possibility of loss. Decals are included for two USAF U-3As, one in the original blue-and-white "Blue Canoe" scheme, the other in the later white-over-gray scheme.Box is a two-piece top-and-bottom affair with full-color art.

It is obvious that Lift Here! takes care to produce a quality product, but seem to have relied on incorrect references. Dimensionally, the kit has some serious issues. Based on factory scale drawings of known accuracy, the wingspan is right on, but the engines are 2 mm too far outboard. The fuselage is 3 mm too long, and about 2 mm too deep through the cabin area. Vertical fin is 2 mm too high. Horizontal stabilizers have 2 mm excess chord at both root and tip, and are 2 mm each too long in span. Prop diameters are 5 mm in excess. These dimensional differences might not matter if we were talking about a 1/72 B-36, but the 310 is not a big airplane (wingspan 35.77 ft, overall length 26.025 ft). The 310 has a distinctive appearance, and these differences, even though small, will be obvious and will make the completed model look strangely bloated, especially if one is familiar with the aircraft. But it will no doubt look enough like a 310 to satisfy the majority of builders. That the kit has proven popular is indicated by the fact that the US dealer (Cooper's Models) had his first supply of these sold out by pre-order before heever received them.

Cessna's 310 is one of my all-time favorite aircraft, and I was disappointed when my examination revealed these errors. My advice would be to wait for Aircraft in Miniature's 310B. I provided detailed dimensional data and other details to AIM for that kit, which has been designed using Catia software, so it should be far more accurate than Lift Here's.

In a reply to my original post on another forum, Lift Here! took me to task for my comments and suggesting that they were unfair, while also strangely alluding to pirated decals and phony claims of items lost in the mail, practices which I neither engage in nor approve. For the record, I have no vested interest in Aircraft in Miniature; I am not an employee or stockholder. It is a one-man business in the UK (I am in the US) whose owner has an interest in civil aircraft and belongs to the same Yahoo interest groups I belong to. When I learned he was interested in producing a kit of the 310, I forwarded to him all the information I have accumulated over the years. Had I known that Lift Here! was also interested in bringing out a kit of the 310, I'd have offered to assist them as well. My only interest is in seeing that an accurate model of this airplane is produced.


 

Michael McMurtrey IPMS-USA #1746 Carrollton, TX
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  • From: near Nashville, TN
Posted by TarnShip on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:43 PM

Michael, I have been meaning to ask you about that "one piece" fuselage, that then has a cockpit to insert into it. (might as well do it here, as any of the other places)

Is there a part that removes if you want to do the cockpit detail? Or is there a clear piece that does the roof and the windows?

Thanks for giving an honest review,,,,,,,,don't sweat the reaction, you paid for the kit, you should be able to describe it as accurately as you want to.  I am sure people completely understand, especially those that have read your Sky King nick for years.

Rex, the Accidental CAG

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  • From: Carrollton, Texas
Posted by BraniffBuff on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:37 PM

There is a cavity molded into the fuselage to contain the cabin detail; nothing to remove. Then there is a clear piece that includes the roof, windows, and windshield. You can see images of the parts on the Lift Here! website:

lifthereserbia.wordpress.com/.../lhm-021-cessna-310au-3a

Michael McMurtrey IPMS-USA #1746 Carrollton, TX
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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:15 PM

For a 1/72 scale, those are glaring errors.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:10 AM

In addition to that 1:72 kit, there is a kit in 1:48 of the original Songbird, a Cessna Bobcat, forget at the moment whose kit, but it is a very nice kit.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Carrollton, Texas
Posted by BraniffBuff on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:49 AM

I know; I was consultant to Squadron/Czech Model on that kit. It's not the easiest to build, but it does make a nice model with care.

Michael McMurtrey IPMS-USA #1746 Carrollton, TX
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:15 AM

Yeah, that was it, Czech Models.  They also offer a Sky King figure!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Central Nebraska
Posted by freem on Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:33 AM

I think it's great that a company would rely on a modeler in the front lines to provide accurate references and data for a new kit (the Bobcat). I know you had an "in" to the industry and I don't know if you were compensated for anything, but still a great thing you did, Michael.  I am sure there's a lot of us that have done tons of research for a model that just gets filed away when we complete the kit that would be invaluable for a manufacturer to produce a reasonably accurate kit. If you could skirt around any copyright or other legal issues some of the smaller kitmakers could make a run at the big guys.

Chris Christenson

 

  • Member since
    August 2007
  • From: Carrollton, Texas
Posted by BraniffBuff on Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:20 PM

I once was editor at Squadron/Signal Publications, but was no longer employed there when Squadron announced the Czech Models Bobcat kit with a preview of the box art painted by Don Greer. I noticed Don had the colors wrong, and pointed this out in an email to a friend of mine who still worked there and offered to assist. They then asked for my help. The masters for the kit had been done by then, and there was little that needed changing anyway, although I would have relied more on plastic or resin and less on photo-etched metal. My input was restricted to color and markings info, and my compensation consisted of two of the kits, a Squadron gift certificate for a modest amount, and a credit in the instructions.

Michael McMurtrey IPMS-USA #1746 Carrollton, TX
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    August 2012
Posted by famvburg on Monday, October 27, 2014 12:05 PM

Seeing the excesses in dimensions make me wonder if they used the old Aurora 310 as part of their reference.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 27, 2014 12:16 PM

BraniffBuff, I know this is off topic,

I used to live in Carrollton just down the street from Squadron back in 80 - 82, took a tour there many times and just wished, as I looked at all those shelves full of kits. I bought the Accurate Miniatures A36 first production release there before it went to print (when they sent out monthly flyers). My roommate, by the way, was part of the design team for the Space Shuttle's tiles.

Steve

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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