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Crop Duster to Fire Bomber to Attack Aircraft - the AT-802

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  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Crop Duster to Fire Bomber to Attack Aircraft - the AT-802
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Monday, August 31, 2020 11:48 PM

In my cursory search I have not found any, so does anyone know of a model of the Air Tractor AT-802, in any configuration?

Reason being, in my brilliant brain, a bunch of years back, I thought that if they ( yes, the ubiquitous "they") just put fire retardant in a crop duster, they could have a great initial attack aircraft for wildland fires .  .  . Well, finally someone with some pull came up with the same concept and there you go. To me it just made sense. I've had other sparks of brilliance but this one actually came to fruition, with somebody elses help.

Dang, I should have patented the idea .  .  . way back then.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 2:06 AM

I was just looking for this kit last week in 1/48.  There are options in 1/72 but I was unable to find a crop duster or a fire bird in 1/48.  Perhaps with some conversion you could modify this military version in 1/72

https://www.scalemates.com/topics/topic.php?id=34607

I would put money down in a heart beat for both the crop duster and the fire bird.

 

Thanks,

John

  • Member since
    May 2009
  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:16 AM

Hello Brian!

Funny thing - there's an aircraft called M-18 Dromader and I believe it's related to the air tractor via some licence production or stuff like that:

PZL M-18 Dromader

They use them for firefighting for like 30 years now. Many years ago they were stationed about ten clicks from our summer house, so we used to take bicycle trips to the airstrip to watch them take off and then return from patrols, dumping two tons of water into a nearby pond.

Scalemates list a resin model of that baby:

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/grand-models-gm-72008-pzl-m-18-dromader--1085934

Rumors had Saddam turn some of those into remotely-controlled chemical bombers!

Have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

  • Member since
    January 2013
Posted by seastallion53 on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:39 AM

I came across a 1/32 or a 1/35 scale resin model of that a/c on pintrest once.I don't know who makes it though. 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 10:53 AM

 

I have a close friend who flew the Air Tractor 802 as a fire bomber.  He liked the Garrett powered airplanes the best because the power response was instant.  A PT-6 takes a little longer to spool up from low power.  We do need a model of the Air Tractor.

Pawel, I don't think there was any development connection between the Air Tractor and the Dromader, just similar responses to the design challenge, I think.  There are some Dromaders in California, I used to see one at Hanford in the central valley.

I do have in mind modifying the Revell Stearman into a crop duster.  I used to work on N3N crop dusters but my Karaya 1/72 kit will be stock.

So far as I know, the first conversion of a crop duster to a fire retardant aircraft was an N3N, done at Willows, California.  The N is a bit bigger than the Stearman and handled the R-1340 better.

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

  • Member since
    May 2009
  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:31 PM

Hello John!

After checking it out more throughly the Dromader is related to Thrush Commander - more details here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-Mielec_M-18_Dromader

One of the Polish export hits!

Have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:47 PM

...and Thrush is related to Air Tractor , all started by the same man, Leland Snow. I Flew the 502 but not the 802. No kit in 1/48 At all. 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 12:04 AM

Well, between all of the birds designed or based on Snow's design (radial powered), and the newer aircraft (Cessna 188, Piper Pawnee PA-36, Air Tractor 502 - 802, and the alterations thereof) with turbo prop powerplants, one might think that we could find a decent model of something, in a decent scale. Frankly these are some awesome birds. Funny looking but amazingly flexible.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:07 AM

From last year's Alliance Airshow at Ft Worth, TX ... half cropduster, half firefighter, half floatplane.

Air Tractor is located in Olney, TX

IIRC, you can find a 3D printed Air Tractor in a COIN format,  off-scale and less than smooth printed finish.  Check Shapeways

  • Member since
    June 2017
  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:59 PM

Is this what y'all are talking about? I took this at a seaplane fly-in at the seaplane base in Tavares, FL a few years ago.

OK. In the stash: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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