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Sheets.
Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 20, 2009 7:57 AM

I'm currently working on a series of nude figures (not sure if "properly edited photos are allowed, so none are here).  I received some very beautiful figures for xmas, but they are a little "too" revealing.  I'm not into "slutty" and wanted to tone them down.  So my idea was to put them in a more "pg" setting, by adding a sheet that covers the figure.  Something like Faith Hill from her "Breathe" video.   I'm trying to turn "slutty" into "romantic" & "sensual.

The idea is very beautiful and could make this resin fig look stunning, but I'm not sure how to make sheets that drape properly on the figure and actually look like sheets/pillows, etc.  I've worked with aluminum foil for scale flags on my age-of-sail models, but my experiments in 1/6 scale have so far been a failure.  I can't seem to get the folds and draping effect that I want. 

I've heard of using wet tissue using some kind of white glue mix, but I haven't tried it yet.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  Many thanks in advance.

Phil

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Posted by Division 6 on Friday, March 20, 2009 9:09 AM

What figures are they?

I have a collection of about 2 dozen female figures mostly in 1/6.

Many are nudes, basic standing figure studies. 

 

Over at the Clubhouse Forum many of the sculpters use a mesh overlayed with epoxy putty to make capes, wings and other assorted things. 

Although for the most part the sculpts are usually made in Sculpy or wax. (Sculpy has to be baked) 

 

Eric... 

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Posted by Huxy on Friday, March 20, 2009 11:28 AM

I've seen stunning results done with Games Workshop Green Stuff. I got it, but never tried it for sheets, as I've never had the use for it yet. Try it. Mix it, make it flat (with 2 books or CDs or anything) and place it whereever you want. Remember to use water on your fingers, the greenstuff and on your tools when using it. It wont stick so much then.

Highly recommended product :)

 

-Lasse

 

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Posted by senojrn on Friday, March 20, 2009 1:32 PM

Grymm,

 I have used the "facial tissue" (aka Kleenex) and white glue method to make sheets and tarps.  Below are examples of the results.  It's a VERY easy method: white glue thinned with only a drop or two of water and GENTLY applied with a soft paint brush.

If you have any further questions, let me know!  Hope this helps!

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:56 PM
cool idea Grymm, ooh la la....
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Posted by renarts on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:52 PM
I think that tissue is great for replicating canvas and wool because of its texture but something on the scale of a 1/6 scale nude or "pin-up" piece of erotica it would be too coarse for something found more in the boudoir than than the camp. Aves apoxie sculpt, Magic Sculpt, Super Sculpey. etc if rolled out thin makes an excellent medium for replicating satin sheets. I make a jig for rolling out banners etc. by placing two strips of plastic the same thickness i want my fabric and as far apart as necessary. Then by flattening the putty by hand between the strips, you can use a brass rod or piece of tube suspended between the two strips to "roll" out the putty. The strips give you a uniform thickness across the surface. A little talcum powder spread on the work surface will allow you to pick the sheet of putty up without sticking to your work surface. It will then drape or can be nudged to shape like real fabric.
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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:22 PM

Well, after experimenting with everything from toilet paper to Puffs, I found a material that works well.  It's gift wrap tissue.  This is the tissue that you find wrapped up in folded shirts, or stuffed into gift bags.  My wife has a horde of it in large 2' sheets.  They seem stiff until they're wet.  They then drape perfectly.  And the kicker is that when dry they are silky smooth, take paint and clearcoat without a single problem, and all folds and creases stay in place.

So, now that I've got the material, I'm now at the point of practicing with it.  There's obviously several here on the forum that have worked with this type of medium before.  I've already found that it is difficult to work with the tissue once it is wet.  So, forgive me, but being a novice, I have a few questions;

-is it better to wet the paper on the figure, or off?

-if I dry the tissue partially with a hairdryer, is it easier to work with?

-what types of tools or tips do modellers use to set folds and creases without losing "scale"

Any other tidbits or "how-tos" are greatly appreciated.  I'm usually perusing the ship forums.  I must say I'm amazed at the figure work many here are doing...

Thanks again,

Grymm

 

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:31 PM
If you have any way of editing photos of your figures, or if the tissues are enough to cover them, as long as there is no nudity I believe that is the only censorship imposed on the forums. /forums/967999/ShowPost.aspx
I think that’s a great idea on the gift tissue- I too was worried about the roughness of regular tissues.
Having worked with a very limited amount of tissue tarps etc. in the past (and in 1/35) I’m probably not the best to answer your questions. However I think to get the folds to stay firm post-drying, white glue mixed in with the water, or perhaps an acrylic gel medium (one that would dry hard) thinned with the water will provide the hold you’re looking for.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, March 27, 2009 7:14 AM
I used the glue and tissue method on my first Dio, I used a sliver of toilet paper, put glue on it, and frayed the edge to make a bandage for a tank rider's arm, came out rather well.

 

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 27, 2009 7:43 AM

Well, I've done several figures from the JJ Models line (out of Italy), as well as a couple of incredible original garage kits.  Most of JJ Models current figures are a little on the "slutty" side.  I like their earlier figures that focus more on the beauty.  I did take a couple of years off from figures when the age-of-sail bug hit me and I started on the Heller monsters (Soleil Royale, Chebec, and the impressive 1/100 HMS Victory which I'm doing prelim work on now).  But this past christmas my daughter (if you can figure that out) got me "The Centerfold" from lunatic fringe models (google it and you'll see it).  At this point, it would be difficult for me to post pics without everyone seeing huge black bars everywhere.  Once I get the sheet done, I'll be glad to post a pic or two...hopefully they won't be

It's a huge 1/6 scale figure, that was a great painting exercise for my airbrush.  But, to me, while the figure is beautiful, I think I can make a better impression by making a bed sheet that covers her while leaving enough exposed to make the figure more "PG" and sensual.  You know, leave it to the imagination...

My materials list is Gift Wrap Tissue and Tac Glue mixed with water.  I'm using Tac Glue because it is thicker and creates a stronger bond.  In my experiments, once the mixture was applied and dried, it had a degree of pliability that simple white glue couldn't accomplish. 

Tonight I'm going to try it out on a test figure to see how it does.  I'm going to try brushing the mixture on the tissue directly on the figure and then see if I can shape it without tearing.  I'm thinking that the mixture's thickness is going to be key to making this work.  Too thin and the tissue will tear easily.  I'll apply the mixture, then use a hair dryer to speed the drying process to the point where I can manipulate the tissue into the fine folds I want.

I'll try to get some pics of my experiments up...

Grymm

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Posted by Division 6 on Friday, March 27, 2009 8:43 AM

I bought a partly(?) clothed Sarah (V2) from JJ a few months ago and have LF Princess Ananka.

Also have half a dozen Itelier-It girls.

 

The one thing I don't like about the figure you're working on is the face.

Don't give her black hair and a pale face or she will look like Michael Jackson in drag. Yuck [yuck]

 

Hope it works out and post pix when it's done.

 

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Posted by Grymm on Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:51 PM

My favorite from JJ Models is Anna.  There is only a slight hint of nudity, and that is easily covered.  It is easily one of the more sensual kits.  My wife actually got it for me as a christmas gift a few years ago.  She also got me the figure "Sabrina" also from JJ.  It's a kit that can be displayed as a full nude or clothed. 

This one I'm working on now is "The Centerfold" from Lunatic Fringe.  Xmas gift from my daughter.  I was also a little taken aback by the face.  What I did was some sanding and cutting along the jawline in order to soften the look, which worked to my satisfaction.  I then made her an "Auburn Blonde", using a tone of maroon washes with yellow ochre and oxide yellow highlights.  This darker tone helped take some focus away from the face itself.  I then used Cardinal red, with a metalic pink rose filler for the lips and a very light wash of the same metallic rose as eye shadow. 

But it's not necessarily about the figure.  If I pull this off, the focus will actually be the sheet and what it's hiding.  The figure will become literally just part of the picture.  That's why getting all the folds right and in scale is so critical for me.  To me, the figure just won't be "right" without it.

As it stands right now (for those who have looked at the figure), the sheet will begin at her hands, run across her chest (covering the "R" rated parts of the breasts) to her right shoulder, then hang off her back and run back across her hip and then end between her legs.  Essentially all you'll see is some serious cleavage and her right hip/buttocks.  It's a monumental task to pull off, but the end result will be fantastic.

So any other tips or ideas will be very welcome.  I'll get photos as I can.  I'm off work tomorrow, so I'll have time to work on black-barring a pic or two.  Hopefully they won't be deleted for being too revealing.  I'll try be as conservative as possible.

Grymm

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Posted by Boomerang on Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:49 AM

   Hey Grymm, at 1/6 scale you could almost use real material. I was just looking at a silk sheet i have and i reckon a piece of that would work perfect. You have to go and buy your own though, you can't have mine.....Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

   Boomer...

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Posted by Division 6 on Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:51 AM

Anna and Sabrina are nice figures.

I'd like to get Natasha (White Ballerina and maybe Angelica (nurse).

The figures are getting pretty hard to find.

My Sarah V2 came from Australia.

The one thing I noticed is that Sarah isn't really 1/6 scale more like 1/7 or 1/8.

 

Glad you worked on the face, looking forward to seeing what you did.

All the figures can be modified.

Adding cloths to full nudes is easy with some epoxy putty.

I have a figure that would make a good Super Hero or Tarna the Tarakian form Heavy Metal. 

 

Most of the newer LF figures come with the clothing option.

They had a full nude on a bear skin rug and a not so little red riding hood (optional clothing) come out last year and a new figure coming out at Wonderfest.

They are also going to produce a vampirella mod of their nude beach girl. 

 

Eric... 

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Posted by Grymm on Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:55 PM

I had thought about using satin.  I spent a good couple of hours at a fabric store going over every type of fabric.  I came to the conclusion that it would be too difficult to get the folds and presentation I want.  Ultimately I believe the tissue will work out best.  I'll have the most control over the material.

As for creating clothing from putty, I'm just not that good yet.  I'm practicing, but I need to get better at getting the putty as thin as possible, yet workable....I tend to get a lot of breakage. 

Probably my most favorite figure is from JJ Models, and I'd love to find one.  Veronica.  It's a nude of course, but I think it's done very sensually.  And it would look absolutely stunning in a four-post bed with satin sheets, etc.  But, that figure has been out of production for several years now.

Lunatic Fringe is on the verge of becoming a major player in the figure industry.  But I would love it if they would tone down the "sluttiness" and make some more sensual figures. 

I took a day off from models today.  Had a great day with the wife.   Will try to get something done tomorrow.

Thanks again guys, the conversation and tips are huge for me...

Grymm

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:11 PM

Here is a thought.  Dunno if it would work.

My first dio I made the base out of three things, 1 clay for the form, two plaster for the final hardening base, but to keep the ripples and edges I wanted, what I did, was I used some wireform mesh.

Its just a mesh screen  (thats very magnified)

You could get something like that, make the folds how you want it, then put the plaster over it VERY very thinly and you would have a base for it to sit on and not break.

 

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Posted by Division 6 on Monday, March 30, 2009 4:26 PM

I've seen a number of tasteful pin-up figures coming out from diffirent makers.

There are a few wip's in the sculptor section on the Clubhouse Forum.

 

Another thing to look into for your sheet that a few people have been using recently is tissue paper used for things like wrapping gifts or cloths, really thin paper.

Using that with the water / glue mix. 

 

Eric... 

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Posted by fx dude on Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:25 PM
well....new to forum...alot of great ideas for doing miniature sheets...for stuff like this ive used panty hose with fabric stiffener..It worked really good for a simulated cloth facemask.you can manipulated the nylon ,then brush on a stiffener.or spray it with maybe crystal clear or strong hair spray. good luck......fx dude(1 mad modeler)
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