In need of a 1/35 M240B.....

I know I know- sorry model- the more crazy detail the better!! AAHHAAHA!! lol But really all I'm talking about is the 2 part faces, you don't cut older kit's faces in half do you? And super detail the backsides of all your pouches? For realistic vest attachment points?! I think that was where I find their new Gen 2 a little on the overkill side. And don't get me wrong camo- my whole point was that Dragon's kits are just fine as is- I enjoy them very much. And I have about 5 or 6 Gen 2 kits in the stash. Nothing beats Dragon when it comes to plastic. And I'd venture out on a limb... since I'm already out there - and go ahead and say some Dragon plastic is probably better than some Verlinden resin

As for hijacking the thread- sorry model, figured you got your 240B figured out already and wouldn't mind tooo bad if I blabbed for a bit

btw scott, did ya expect any less from us??? Big Smile

uhh

PS- it wasn't MtDew it was Izzy grapefruit soda. And if you've never heard of that- I had to Google Ozarka to figure out it was some crazy Texas brand bottled water- Hey Scott!! It's called a filter on your sink!!!!

jk haha

dragon figures arent that bad chris. while they need alot of attention i still think with that attention comes piece of mind in knowing you'll have a somewhat descent figure. btw scott, did ya expect any less from us???

Dragon doesn't over-engineer ... that's the way figures SHOULD be molded. If your modeling older figures and NOT taking off the hands and feet IOT drill out the cuffs you're just wrong.

... and dang! ... All I wanted was a simple thread about where to get the best 240B and psst has to go and hi-jack it w/ his Mountain Dew-crazed tantrums! ITS CALLED OZARKA, CHRIS!!!!

HAHAH!!!!!

haha too ture

uh oh guys...we got chris off on a rant now...no stopping him!!

Everything's a broken down subassembly, it lets them get a whoole lot of detail on the individual parts, but you really have to be good at gluing, filling and removing seams/sprue points, otherwise you’ll wind up removing more detail than you gained by going the Gen2 way- here’s a layout of one of their crazier kits

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Scale_Figures/DML00006281/product.php?s=0&t=5&pg=1&ppp=24&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=gen,2 -click on the picture underneath the main one- that's what the back of the boxes look like- and they're bigger than the old standard Dragon figure boxes

The faces are two part- front and back, the hands and feet are separate- it just gets way too intense, classic Dragon over engineering- even the backs of the packs are detailed, I guess if you wanted to leave them off and stacked on the ground etc. Also knives that are sheathed or unsheathed, open or closed canteens, ammo pouches with one flap open and a clip- crazy stuff. Nice for dio builders. If built professionally, they look as good as any resin kit. But that's the hard part, making it to the painting stage without losing it all in sanding, filling etc.

Here's one that's a little less in-depth, but still very detailed

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Scale_Figures/DML00006274/product.php?s=0&t=5&pg=1&ppp=24&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=gen,2 again- look for the picture below to see the back of the box.

psstoff995 wrote:

What if they did a Gen2 kit actually I'm fine with just the Premium Edition stuff, no need for the 4 part faces etc. too much work 1/2 the time for the same look in the end

 

Uh, whats the difference between Premium and Gen2?  I know Gen2 has PE and some hollowed out gun barrels...

arkhunter2002 wrote:

I really wish Dragon released like 2008/09 modern US Soldiers.  Would definitely consider switching to 35th...

What if they did a Gen2 kit actually I'm fine with just the Premium Edition stuff, no need for the 4 part faces etc. too much work 1/2 the time for the same look in the end

These guys are just the regular OOB from a kit made in '02 and they look fine to me



...but those Gen 2 weapons are nice

Probably their biggest problem with Modern stuff is that word- Modern, everything's going to keep changing and getting newer and if everyone wants the latest and greatest thats got to be a PITA for them to keep up with, redesigning and reissuing etc. I know when I got the Tamiya HMMWV it was pretty brand new and it was matching what I saw on the news- for about 6 months then all of a sudden IEDs-and poof- HMMWVs went from field mod armor to kit armor to factory armor and I couldn't keep up when I was trying to build a "modern" HMMWV- now I'm going to make it an ‘03 HMMWV and just get a new kit to start over on my "modern" one.

I'm sure when we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and stay out for a year or so, the model co.s will have time to catch up and release an OIF line. (one can hope!)

Stretch Armstrong is right... Verlin was amazing when they first hit the market- I've got a few of their OOP kits off eBay and WOAH! you'd think it was a different company. Once they hit mainstream, they're starting to just do enough to make a profit, all you pay for is the name now. They put out some nice poses, but the weapons and equipment- maybe if they made equipment figure-specific instead of the same generic stuff with every other figure kit they’ve got- it’d be nice if the packs actually fit the vests....

Anyway- I'm waiting on the AM 120 guys myself. I can't wait for them to drop- hope I'll have the $ saved up...

Could always sculpt your own

 

But yes, I agree completely.  I really wish Dragon released like 2008/09 modern US Soldiers.  Would definitely consider switching to 35th...

The funny thing about those "modern" kits .... 9 times out of 10, "modern" means Desert Storm (no offense), but that's not exactly modern!?!

Hoo-ray for people like Hobby Fan, AFV, ... and maybe a LITTLE praise for Verlinden ... for making figures from at least the last 6-7 years. Verlinden is a stretch though ... like Stretch Armstrong stretch ...

Airborne Miniatures is working on a couple of REALLY modern figures (120mm), but I haven't heard when they expect to release them.

modelchasm wrote:

As stated before, if they can come out w/ a "newly tooled" version of yet ANOTHER Tiger I, I think that they can at least try to sculpt some of the "new" weapons systems that are out there. I just for the life of me, can't figure out why everyone is SO stuck on building WWII German stuff. Its got to be something like at least 85% of the market!!!

i think fsm years ago did a listing of tiger tanks as model kits. took up like 3 pages. yeah i know its the bread and butter of the industry...but how many versions of the same damn thing do you need???? every model maker out there makes a kit of the tank. god help you and i model if there wasnt a war going on for the least 8 years!!! we'd still be painting and making desert storm stuff!!! still cant believe dragon only made one "modern" figure set instead of a few. whatever though, no sense crying over what ya cant fix anyway. .

The "pig" served its purpose ... and served it well. But the 240 is such a better weapon. I can't really speak for myself as the 249 was my weapon when I was enlisted. It doesn't seem like much of a change, but shortening the barrel and changing out the stock to the fully collapsible para stock saves a lot of weight ... or at least it feels like it. Awesome for an urban environment, but not so great for open stretches like the desert or the highway.

The 240s rate of fire isn't as fast as the 249, but when you consider the increased size of the rounds that its chunking down range, its a nice pay-off.

During my 2nd trip, as long as the gunners 1/2-arsed cleaned out the 240s when we got back we never had problems w/ them. But as w/ any weapon, neglect is bad thing ... I don't care if you can soak your rifle in mud before firing off 10 mags or not. Weapons come from the factory clean for a reason. When someone recommends mud/ sand as a lubricant, then I'll change my mind.

Grim - Don't worry. I don't think anyone took your statement negatively. I fully agree in that the modelling companies need to step up their games. As stated before, if they can come out w/ a "newly tooled" version of yet ANOTHER Tiger I, I think that they can at least try to sculpt some of the "new" weapons systems that are out there.

I just for the life of me, can't figure out why everyone is SO stuck on building WWII German stuff. Its got to be something like at least 85% of the market!!!

Grimmo-

Grimmo wrote:

As for one of the para-minimi's having a long barrel, thats how a few of the Marines have been getting around lately. Para stock but full length barrel.

Thanks for the info- good to know. Also I don't think anyone took the "pick up your act" the wrong way, I almost did the first time I read it- but that's because I had only seen it quoted out of context in the following post.

i wouldnt expect you to know that (even if its been talked about at length worldwide

haha thanks camo maybe I should start to watch the news

psstoff995 wrote:

Makes sense model, just making sure.  camo junkie wrote: yeah he probably does chris as his family is probably the ones that sent him the shirt...ya know the biggest arab/muslim/chaldean populace outside the middle east is here.... Oh... no, I didn't know that. Well that makes more sense. I thought it was one of those salvation army type deals that wound up making its way halfway around the world. Always learning something new here on FSM, sorry it took you a while to figure out what I was talkin about lol

no big deal chris...i wouldnt expect you to know that (even if its been talked about at length worldwide ). just one of those things.

Sorry if i upset anyone by this: 

"PICK UP YOUR ACT PEOPLE"

This was directed at Dragon and verlinden, and no-one else.

I dont mind having to scratch build stuff, but weapon parts suck as they are so fiddly. I was hoping someone would have done some modern weapons, like PK or Blast. I prefer to work in styrene rather than resin.

MC, the Elcan wepons sight in the Mousehouse kit is the same as the M145. (PM inbound)

Let us know how the PK set goes! I would love to get a couple for myself!

As for one of the para-minimi's having a long barrel, thats how a few of the Marines have been getting around lately. Para stock but full length barrel.

Makes sense model, just making sure.

camo junkie wrote:

yeah he probably does chris as his family is probably the ones that sent him the shirt...ya know the biggest arab/muslim/chaldean populace outside the middle east is here....

Oh... no, I didn't know that. Well that makes more sense. I thought it was one of those salvation army type deals that wound up making its way halfway around the world. Always learning something new here on FSM, sorry it took you a while to figure out what I was talkin about lol

psstoff995 wrote:

(hey camo- you think that kid knows where Detroit is?? As least he has those cool pants...)

didnt have a clue as to what you were talking about until it hit me...!! yeah he probably does chris as his family is probably the ones that sent him the shirt...ya know the biggest arab/muslim/chaldean populace outside the middle east is here....

Psst, you're correct about the SAW stocks. They're not quiet right, but I wasn't planning on using them (the stocks) anyway. I've seen the collapsible stocks before, but we had the full para-versions.

The PK kit comes w/ 2x of these, but I'll convert the others as well. In my old crew we only had 2x of them, so yea .... you'll see them in the CBTS dio. Even though we never dismounted them (we had them in 2x turrets) I'll probably still add in a 240B just to add detail into the dio.

That is a nice looking kit- the stocks on those 2 SAWs look a bit odd, are they correct?

I'd think they'd look more like  

And of the para version looks like one of the barrels is too long. Do they have those in standard and shortened lengths? I guess you could always switch the stock out. I like the options of the extended and entry lengths on the M4s- are those scopes modern-ish? They don't look like ACOGs. I'd say it's pretty nice tho- how much did that run you?

You should do one of these mods- the M4 stock on the Para version, that's interesting. Maybe not on your CBTS (unless you knew someone with this set up) but in the future, something to think about

(hey camo- you think that kid knows where Detroit is?? As least he has those cool pants...)

Here's a better pic of the kit from PK. I don't feel so bad about getting this one .... looks like I'll be able to use more of the weapons than if I went with a kit from Dragon or Verlinden.

... and handfull of M4s, SAWs, and 2x M240Bs, and a couple of other perks...

aweful long way to go for a lousy weapon!! does the wife know about this??

Well, I just got a money request from PK, so I got the resin kit paid for. I guess we'll let you guys know how the kit is when I receive it in a couple of weeks.

No Camo, you're good ... and correct. However, its a G model as well. As the Marines are considered more "infantry based" than we are, they scrapped the heat shields IOT save a couple of pounds on the weapon ... the 240B is about 25lbs, minus ammo.

I just tried to make an order w/ PK (I figured it was my best chance ...), however, through the order I didn't get the option to pay for it!?! I sent them an email, but since they're in France, I figure I won't hear from them until tomorrow ... maybe.

If I don't, I'm thinking about going w/ Dragon's Marine set and converting the G to a B. Although, I can't find a picture of the parts or the sprues any where.

hey scott, perhaps grimmo can back me up...not sure though so dont quote me on this as being 100%...hell, dont even make it 40% but doesnt dragon's modern marines hace a 240b?? maybe its the g...i dont know havent looked hard enough i guess but maybe take a look if ya havent.

They discontinued all of their 1/72 stuff that I wanted right when I thought it would be helpful to get some of it....

arkhunter2002 wrote:

I kinda like the saying in your profile-- "If you're not scratch-building, you're not trying!"

... and you had to go there! Thanks for the kick in the pants!

... and wouldn't you know it. I found the maker of the "unknown picture" above. Its made by Propaganda Kompany as well ... but its a 1/48 US SF weapons set ....1/48! WTF!!! Who in the *&%$ even makes 1/48 SF figures!!! Dang French ... crazy-arse b@stards. (I'm not sounding frustrated, am I!?!)

I kinda like the saying in your profile-- "If you're not scratch-building, you're not trying!"