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  • From: Marysville, WA
Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure (WIP)
Posted by David_K on Monday, September 11, 2017 7:29 PM

Hi All-

I'm kind of a newb to figures, I've built a few back in the day (these days I mostly build sailing ship models)...

But I recently bought an Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate figure and I had a couple of questions about basic painting/assembly.  Any advice would be appreciated so I can get off on the right foot.

How do most people go about building plastic model figure kits?  Airbrush, brushes?

Partial assembly before painting, or complete assembly first?

I wonder if anyone here has built the kit?  I typed it in the *search forums* bar and got zero matches.

I'm likely to turn this into a WIP once I get started.

Anyway, thanks!

Dave

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:38 AM

Personally I'd assemble the entire figure, prime him, and then paint. The few I've done I've used an airbrush for the big areas like the his coat etc and then brush in paint details.

Highlander242 has posted some how-tos here on the figure forum and in the magazine. You might check YouTube as well. There's loads of useful videos there, I entered 'painting 1/6th figures' and got a boatload of stuff.  

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Posted by David_K on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:52 PM

Thanks, Gamera!

I'll take a closer look among the forum, and also check out some youtube videos!

 

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:29 PM

I've never heard of this kit-is it a styrene kit?  What scale is it?

To add to Gamera's tips-assemble the kit, taking care to clean up seams and any flaws.

If it's a styrene kit, there are likely to be seams where parts join together.  You can putty seams, but if it's a styrene kit, I like to use liquid styrene cement for assembly, and when I attach two parts, I'll apply pressure to force a bead of melted styrene to rise along the seam.  When the parts cure, I can scrape this bead away with a hobby knife, and it reduces or eliminates the seam.  I'll also use stretched sprue, in this case, and liquid cement.  Lay the sprue into the seam and run the liquid glue over it.  Again, you get a welded fill to the seam, and I like this, it's all the same material.

For putty, I use Squadron white thinned with acetone.  I will apply putty to the seams, then run a cotton swab soaked in acetone across the seam to remove the excess.  Or I will dissolve putty in some acetone in a glass jar, and then apply this to the seam with an old brush.  I call that my homemade Mr Surfacer.  You can use Mr Surfacer, too, a liquid filler that comes in three thicknesses, but it's usually not thick enough for my liking.

Besides seams where parts join, you'll want to remove any mold seams, seams that show where the two halves of the mold met.  There is usually a little bit of a line around the part, where the mold halves met.  You can clean these up by scraping with a knife, and with fine sandpaper.  I also like to use a Flex-i-file for this work, because it lets me get the abrasive right where I want it.  For example, I find it much better for seams on the legs of figures in larger scales, than if I used a piece of sandpaper to sand it free-hand.  It's more consistent.

If it's a resin kit, you'll have seams, and you may also have bubble holes or other molding flaws to correct.  Use the putty and surfacers for these as necessary, and sand them as necessary.

At this point, prime the figure.  Priming doesn't just provide "tooth" for your finish coats of paint, but it can show any other flaws that you didn't see the first time.  It's not unusual to cycle through this process more than once, before you get to applying your finish coats.

Hope that helps!

Best regards,

Brad

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:37 PM

Very good advice, thanks!

Yes, it's a styrene kit, 1/10 scale...

Here's a link to it.

https://www.amazon.com/Blackbeard-Pirate-Figure-Model-Atlantis/dp/B009LM669W

I'll probably start some preliminary assembly and seam *fixing* very soon.

Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  ??

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:02 PM

Brad: Lol, I'm so used to puttying and sanding seams by now I didn't even think about that most important part! Thanks for covering for me there.

Dave: Very cool figure. I don't live that far from Blackbeard's old stomping grounds in the Carolina's and am hopefully headed out that way on vacation in two months. Thanks for the link, I might have to pick up one for myself!

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Posted by David_K on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:09 PM

im hoping I can do a good job with it.  It is a neat kit.

Back in the day, Aurora made a Captain Kidd figure kit, sort of a companion to the Blackbeard...but it's only available on the secondary market (like eBay) and it's super expensive....

Anyway, thanks again for all your advice, I got some putty today...it just got real!

Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  ??

 

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, September 15, 2017 1:03 PM

Ah, OK, thanks for the link!  Yeah, it's what I pictured, a re-release (and rework?) of Aurora's Blackbeard.  Yes, there will probably be some seamage to deal with, but you can turn it into a very nice figure.

Heh, Gamera, no sweat!  I read your post and thought I could help with some detail Wink

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, September 15, 2017 1:04 PM

Also, with a kit in this scale, of this size, you can probably use the airbrush to lay down your base colors, and maybe even to do some shading.

I look forward to seeing a build blog!

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Posted by UnwaryPaladin on Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:25 AM

That is an interesting kit, looking forward to your build. Blackbeard is an interesting character. I've read he would put smoldering wood or something in his beard to intimidate his victims. You could drill holes in his beard and make him an incense burner! Tongue Tied

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:00 AM

LOL I love the idea of the incense burner!

 

But Blackbeard only emits the smell of fear and terror!!! Pirate 

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Posted by David_K on Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:12 PM

Well, I've gotten some body assembly done, it won't be long before I start doing some painting. 

I figure I might as well document my progress here, but I know at some point Photobucket started charging (quite a bit) to be able to share photos to websites....does anyone have recommendations for a free site to store photos that I can link here to the forum?  What do people do these days to post photos?

Thanks!

Dave

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     _!__!__!_         
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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  ??

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:04 PM

Sounds cool!!!

Personally I switched over the Image Shack. I think it's about forty or so a year and it's worth that to be rid of PB's constant pop-up ads. I switched back when PB started screwing around with their service. IS was running a half-price sale I'm guessing to clean up the disgusted PH customers.

I've heard good stuff about Imgur, Flickr, and several others. You might want to shop around.  

 

Edit: Ok, it's Flickr not Flicker! My mistake.

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Posted by SprueOne on Sunday, September 24, 2017 1:23 PM

I'll follow progress here. I'm going to start my Michael Myers build in October so I'll need learn some techniques on my first large figure build.

Graet advice and tips from Gamera and Brad!

 

 

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Posted by Justinryan215 on Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:32 PM

Flickr is fantastic....they offer 1Tb free storage.  

 

Now get some photos up here!

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Posted by David_K on Monday, September 25, 2017 5:15 PM

Hi guys-

Not much progress to report.

I've made some prelim assembly of the body, and went with some Tamiya putty to help fill up the seams....boy, was that a mistake!  I put way too much putty, and when it was dry, I kept trying to sand it down to get it smoothly blended, but no go.  After looking online, I was able to find a solution to remove it: Soaked it in Brake Fluid for a few hours, and it basically wiped right off!  There's still a bit in the seams (where I wanted it anyway!)....I think I'm going to get some Perfect Putty (anyone use that stuff?)...it seems like it might be easier to work with, since it's water-based and excess can be pretty much removed with a wet q-tip on the fly....anyway, I might give that a whirl before I lay down the primer.

On the Ship Forums, I used to use Photobucket for posting pics, but I'm avoiding photobucket now (400 bucks a year?!?)....I've just uploaded a few pics of Blackbeard on Flickr, let me see if I can get them posted here....

 20170923_094626 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

Ah, there it goes!  I must use the BBC code to get the pics on here!

These first few are pics of the assembled main body parts (body, arms, feet) with Tamiya Putty slathered all over 'em!  More experienced figure modelers might instantly realize I went too far with the application!  lol

 20170923_094619 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20170923_094638 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20170923_094646 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

I tried to sand it back down to match the countours of the figure, but it was a serious pain...and it eventually became obvious that I was beginning to sand down the plastic surrounding the putty, obviously not an ideal result!

So, after accepting the fact that I needed to get that putty cleaned off, I soaked the parts in brake fluid and after a few hours, I was able to get it pretty clean with a paper towel!

Here's how the parts look now:

 20170925_150041 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20170925_150048 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

So I think I'm going to order some of the Perfect Putty, or Perfect Plastic or whatever it's called and see if I can get a better result with water-based stuff that I can remove more easily as I work with it?  Once I get those seams dealt with, I'll put down the primer and see how it all looks before starting painting.

BTW, if you notice that part of the body is white while all the other parts are a pale yellow, it's because my kit came with duplicates of one body piece, and missing another.  I contacted Atlantis and they were very responsive and friendly, and immediately shipped me out the replacement piece (the white piece, must have been from a different run of parts)...anyway, good customer service!

Thanks for watching, I'll post some more progress whenever I get some more work done...busy at work this week, and then I'm leaving town next week, so it might be a bit before I get back to the workbench.

Dave

 

 

 

I'll post his to test it, and if it works, I'll add the other pics.

Dave

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     _!__!__!_         
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   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  ??

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:44 AM

Gosh I hate it when they mold the seam lines over details like that.

The Perfect Plastic Putty is good stuff, you can let it dry for ten mins or so and then scrub it with a moist cotton swab to take off the excess leaving putty in the seam. You can do the same thing with Squadron putty using rubbing alcohol instead of water. And I'm guessing most putties have some sort of solvent that works the same way. 

You'll probably still need to put a little putty on top of the seams and sand. I like using rolled up tubes of sand paper. Just go across the seam at a 90 degree angle the same way you'd do on an aircraft fusilage. You can roll the paper smaller as well to get into the folds of the coat and pants. 

I'm not sure what else to tell you, maybe Brad has some better advice. The best I can tell you is to go slow, sand a little, give it the eyeball, sand a little more if it needs it, etc. 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:37 AM

Hi;

 The rare times I do figures .( for a step away from everything else ) . I prime after assembling . Then I worry about tones and shadows and glazing . Priming seems to hide those pesky spots you can't put filler in .  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:40 AM

Hi ;

 If you've over sanded . Which at this point is negligible . You should use Mr Color Thick primer applied with a brush .Then gently go over it . T.B.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:41 PM

Tanker - Builder

...I prime after assembling...Priming seems to hide those pesky spots you can't put filler in.

I prime after assembly, too, but I don't find that priming hides spots that needs filling.  Instead, it makes them easier to spot.  I can go through a couple of passes of cleanup-prime-cleanup-prime, before I'm happy with the result and move on to applying my basic colors.  That's true for me of ordnance, ships and airplanes, too, as well as it is of figures, though the other subjects don't usually require as much fine correction, as a figure can.

Best regards,

Brad

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:49 PM

David_K

...I put way too much putty, and when it was dry, I kept trying to sand it down to get it smoothly blended, but no go...

I think that's your problem, rather than the specific putty you're using.  If there's a way to thin the putty before applying it, then you can apply it more precisely, and you won't have to worry about removing excess afterward.  That's how I hit on thinning Squadron putty, for example.  It occurred to me that even when applying the putty as precisely as I could, with a little dental spatula or even a toothpick, once it cured, I had a lot to sand away.  Using Mr. Surfacer also led me to realize that if I thinned my putty to a liquid, I could apply less of it, but get it right where I needed it, and reduce the amount of sanding that I'd have to do after the putty cured.  And less sanding mean less loss of detail to the surrounding areas.  Even if I use Milliput for filling, once I've applied the putty to the surface, I'll use water to remove it as much as possible from the areas I don't want to have putty.  And once it cures, there's much less cleanup for that spot.

But having said that, it looks like you've got it pretty much in hand, and it's coming together nicely.  I look forward to your next update!

Best regards,

Brad

 

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