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Posted by jthurston on Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:17 PM
 jadgpanther302 wrote:
 Hartmann352 wrote:

Shooting from the hip here, but shouldn't the eagle patch be over the other breast pocket?

Maybe it's just me, but the color of the coat seems off too.

Oh, and Tom Cruise is in it.  Shock [:O]

geez its all wrong. 

I think the eagle is in the correct place, and I think the color is at least close enough (it may be really close, for all I know).

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:04 AM
Rutger Hauer woulda been THE MAN for his movie!
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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:00 AM
 renarts wrote:

Don't hold publicity stills as gospel for uniform colors either. Fabrics are dyed to compensate for the camera. If you could see a white shirt on a movie set, you'd notice that it looked grey or dingy. Thats because it would create a hot spot or burn out if it were left its original white. So they subdue them or dye them down. Same thing with colored fabrics. They are chosen/dyed/subdued/brightened to look good on camera and to compensate for lighting, film stock, development effect and on screen effect etc. Something that the publicity still is taken by a different crewmember or pulled from the raw film stock.

As for whats wrong..... well I'm with the rest of you. Cruise is in the movie. Never liked him, never will, despite his beliefs, politics or social standing. Never thought of him as an actor, never thought he could act, and certainly ranks up there with my list of wackanuts in hollyweird.

My pick for this part was Casper Van Dien. Not much of a better actor but looked more to the character and I could stomach his on screen presence more than Cruises.

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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:59 AM
 Hartmann352 wrote:

Shooting from the hip here, but shouldn't the eagle patch be over the other breast pocket?

Maybe it's just me, but the color of the coat seems off too.

Oh, and Tom Cruise is in it.  Shock [:O]

geez its all wrong. 

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Posted by renarts on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:16 PM

Don't hold publicity stills as gospel for uniform colors either. Fabrics are dyed to compensate for the camera. If you could see a white shirt on a movie set, you'd notice that it looked grey or dingy. Thats because it would create a hot spot or burn out if it were left its original white. So they subdue them or dye them down. Same thing with colored fabrics. They are chosen/dyed/subdued/brightened to look good on camera and to compensate for lighting, film stock, development effect and on screen effect etc. Something that the publicity still is taken by a different crewmember or pulled from the raw film stock.

As for whats wrong..... well I'm with the rest of you. Cruise is in the movie. Never liked him, never will, despite his beliefs, politics or social standing. Never thought of him as an actor, never thought he could act, and certainly ranks up there with my list of wackanuts in hollyweird.

My pick for this part was Casper Van Dien. Not much of a better actor but looked more to the character and I could stomach his on screen presence more than Cruises.

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Posted by jthurston on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:07 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
...not his hair, he is just trying to hide his ego under that hat...

Laugh [(-D] No, I mean...

You see this all the time with actor-types in military uniforms. There's always some fit issue with the uniform. The way-too-tight problem in Top Gun was one thing, but in this uniform here, he makes von Stauffenburg look like a first-semester plebe, when in fact von Stauffenburg would probably have had his uniform custom tailored and fitted, so it wouldn't look like this. One specific problem is the way the hat looks like it's the wrong size for his grape, leaving a crooked appearance and a big gap above his ear. At first I thought it was because of his hair being too long, which of course is another common Hollywood mistake.

Not bashing Cruise, mind you. I could, of course, but I'll do that in a different forum.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:12 PM
 jthurston wrote:

Is that his hair, or is his hat way too big?

...not his hair, he is just trying to hide his ego under that hat...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:12 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:
 Amanda Bothe wrote:

Whistling [:-^] So, back to the uniform discrepencies.

 

Thank You! 

Sorry 'bout that. Didn't mean to knock the thread completely off topic. It is THE reason the producers can't use a particularily vital building for a very significent scene, but doesn't have much to do with the uniform.

...you would think that since the German Govt. is so fond of Von Stauffenburg that they would let the movie company use the location to better show what he did in trying to assasinate AH...???  

 

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Posted by jthurston on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:22 PM

Is that his hair, or is his hat way too big?

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:15 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

Bendlerblock!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendlerblock properly called the Bendlerstraße, now renamed in honor of Stauffenberg as Stauffenbergstraße.

Originally built for the Reich Navy Office, it served as the Reichwehr HQ during the Weimar Republic and was the execution grounds for the Wolfsshcanze conspirators. The German government, well known for it's anti-Sciencetology stance is refusing to let the producers film the firing squad scene at the Bendelrblock.

While I consider Sciencetologists to be a bit kooky (sorry if anyone is offended), I'm not sure the origin of the vehemence towards Tom Cruise and his chosen "religion" by the German government. If you need a reason to dislike Mr. Cruise, there are ample things to choose from. As for his acting ability, I'm no supporter, but I quite enjoyed Risky Business, and Rainman was sublime. 

 

The German government considers the "Church of Scientology" a cult whose aims are fraudulent and more concerned with raising money--not too hard to disprove, actually. Ok, I'll shut up now...Whistling [:-^]
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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:11 AM
 Amanda Bothe wrote:

Whistling [:-^] So, back to the uniform discrepencies.

 

Thank You! 

Sorry 'bout that. Didn't mean to knock the thread completely off topic. It is THE reason the producers can't use a particularily vital building for a very significent scene, but doesn't have much to do with the uniform.

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:00 AM
eagle wrong thinks same paints he wore in that japanese moive and no iron cross of some kind and thats enough geussin its not toms flault he just does what he's told right good luck guys
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:27 AM
 ww2modeler wrote:

I agree with the other comments, and a couple of my own, Isn't the belt buckle wrong and the stripes on the pants (If they are supposed to be there) look wrong in color.

David

...the belt buckle is officer's quality; other ranks had a solid friction-type buckle...the maroon stripes were reserved for General Officers or those assigned to General (OKH, OKW) staffs...

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Posted by Amanda Bothe on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:16 AM

Whistling [:-^] So, back to the uniform discrepencies.

 

Thank You! 

Amanda Bothe Assistant Editor, FSM
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Posted by Tankluver on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:09 AM
Not to get off topic or anything but about that scientology thing it really is foolish. My uncle lives up in Hemmit CA hes a pastor of a entecostal church. Well i guess he used to hunting up in this one area where the water turns a certain way and I guess the scientologist bought that area. Know if you come in at a certain distance youll trip a wire and guards will come out on sandrails or something like that.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, August 20, 2007 10:39 PM

Well, perhaps recently they've been seen as agnostic and secular, but I think nailing 95 Thesis to the Castle Church door speaks volumes about the nation's faith. Interestingly enough, Martin Luther's views about Jews were quickly revived and embraced by the fledgling Nazis as justification for the persecution of the Jews and their Final Solution. Add in the Holy Roman Empire under Frederick I Barbarossa, and the simple fact that the current pope is German, and you've really got a pretty devout group of people, on both sides of Christianity. And if you think the French are devout Catholics, you should hang around some German ones! Whistling [:-^]

I think the German's dislike for Sciencetology is due to their devoutness. They view Sciencetology as an upstart and foolish religion. Which is what I suspect L. Ron Hubbard was shooting for when he invented it in order to be able to refuse to pay taxes. Silly enough not to be considered a threat by the real churches, and serious enough to be considered a real church by a government tax agency. 

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 10:02 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

Bendlerblock!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendlerblock properly called the Bendlerstraße, now renamed in honor of Stauffenberg as Stauffenbergstraße.

Originally built for the Reich Navy Office, it served as the Reichwehr HQ during the Weimar Republic and was the execution grounds for the Wolfsshcanze conspirators. The German government, well known for it's anti-Sciencetology stance is refusing to let the producers film the firing squad scene at the Bendelrblock.

While I consider Sciencetologists to be a bit kooky (sorry if anyone is offended), I'm not sure the origin of the vehemence towards Tom Cruise and his chosen "religion" by the German government. If you need a reason to dislike Mr. Cruise, there are ample things to choose from. As for his acting ability, I'm no supporter, but I quite enjoyed Risky Business, and Rainman was sublime. 

 

I actually thought the Germans liked him; maybe I was thinking of the French...the Germans, in general, have been very agnostic as a whole (no offense intended) and very secularistic, so maybe they dislike anyone with strong religious beliefs in general...???...look what happened to Molders...

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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, August 20, 2007 9:45 PM

Bendlerblock!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendlerblock properly called the Bendlerstraße, now renamed in honor of Stauffenberg as Stauffenbergstraße.

Originally built for the Reich Navy Office, it served as the Reichwehr HQ during the Weimar Republic and was the execution grounds for the Wolfsshcanze conspirators. The German government, well known for it's anti-Sciencetology stance is refusing to let the producers film the firing squad scene at the Bendelrblock.

While I consider Sciencetologists to be a bit kooky (sorry if anyone is offended), I'm not sure the origin of the vehemence towards Tom Cruise and his chosen "religion" by the German government. If you need a reason to dislike Mr. Cruise, there are ample things to choose from. As for his acting ability, I'm no supporter, but I quite enjoyed Risky Business, and Rainman was sublime. 

 

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 9:09 PM
 Hermesminiatures wrote:

The "in flight" eagle is used only by Fallschirmjager and other Luftwaffe troops - it's rather obvious why. The one on the uniform is correct for both Wermacht and Waffen-SS troops.

The jacket is fine - Mouse Grey was the standard color for semi-dress uniform for officers.

The only thing wrong with it is who's inside itSmile [:)] There's been no small dissention between the producers and Stauffenburg's family - the German government just barely consented to the movie being made on German soil, mostly because of who was starring in it. They still refuse to let the movie company anywhere near the Bendlerblock (which is good!)

 

Bendlerblock ???

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Monday, August 20, 2007 8:05 PM

The "in flight" eagle is used only by Fallschirmjager and other Luftwaffe troops - it's rather obvious why. The one on the uniform is correct for both Wermacht and Waffen-SS troops.

The jacket is fine - Mouse Grey was the standard color for semi-dress uniform for officers.

The only thing wrong with it is who's inside itSmile [:)] There's been no small dissention between the producers and Stauffenburg's family - the German government just barely consented to the movie being made on German soil, mostly because of who was starring in it. They still refuse to let the movie company anywhere near the Bendlerblock (which is good!)

 

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Posted by Supraman on Monday, August 20, 2007 7:37 PM
The Eagle badge over the breast pocket is the wrong style. It should be a stylized "inflight" eagle. Also, if I am not mistaken, as I usually am ( just ask the wifeSmile [:)]) the Jacket should be a light blue.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 7:23 PM

...here is one of my attempts at that uniform color scheme (fig on right):

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 20, 2007 6:35 PM
What's wrong with the picture? You can't see Cruise's Big Smile [:D] teeth which means he may actually be acting!

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Monday, August 20, 2007 6:23 PM

It was the trousers red stripe that caught my eye, I thought those were for General Officers only. OKH staff...hmmm learn something new everyday.

 

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Monday, August 20, 2007 3:00 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the uniform. The jacket is Mausegrau, which is an accurate color for an officer, and there's nothing wrong with the insignia...

Jonathan

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 2:57 PM

...the lack of any badges/medals looks a little odd, maybe...

...he would have earned the wound badge and both classes of the Iron Cross (but not the Knight's Cross) and had a few ribbons as well...colors look fine to me...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 2:55 PM
 Archangel Shooter wrote:

I just came across this photo on Yahoo news of Tom Cruise in costume for his role as Col. Von Staffenberg but it seems to me that the costume designer made a serious flaw. Looking at the pitcure, do you agree?

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Actually it all looks good to me, and I am up for any WW2 movie these days (Cruise or not), particularly one about Stauffenburg, who was an interesting character IMO...

...if you are thinking he should be SS you are wrong, he was an Army Col. who was seriously wounded in Africa...and the red stripes on his pants denotes that he is working at OKH level on staff...maybe the eyepatch is over the wrong eye???

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Posted by ww2modeler on Monday, August 20, 2007 2:53 PM

Thankyou

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 20, 2007 2:51 PM
 ww2modeler wrote:

Whats the name of the movie?

David

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