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Posted by Kugai on Friday, December 12, 2008 7:16 AM
Not "artistic license."  It's Time Lord technology.Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Phil_H on Friday, December 12, 2008 2:44 AM

In terms of scale, it's really only relevant to the original context in which they appeared.

As far as the Macross Glaug kits (BT Marauder) are concerned, compared with other "same scale" kits ftom the Macross series, they are undersized. Remembering that a Zentraedi pilot/soldier is roughly the same size as a Valkyrie, you have to ask yourself "Would a Valkyrie fit in the cockpit?".  If I recall correctly, the answer would have to be "No". (A 1/100 scale Valkyrie is about 14 cm tall.)

However, taken out of the Macross Universe and put into the BT Universe, you can call it any scale you want.

EDIT: Having said that, the "official" quoted height for a Battroid Valkyrie is 12.68m, whereas the quoted height for a Glaug is 16.55m - put it down to artistic license I suppose.....

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Posted by philp on Friday, December 12, 2008 1:37 AM
I have wondered about the 1/100 scale mechs. Seen a guy do a Marauder in that scale and he said it was closer to 72nd. I would need to see all 4 mechs together to decide. I also thought about the reflective camo as it just looks cooler.
Been trying to figure out what scenario to put the lance in, especially if I manage to get all four.
1. Under maintenance at base.
2. Preparing for an assault in a Drop Ship bay.
3. In combat in the wild (trees, hills, etc)
4. in combat in an urban environment.
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Posted by Kugai on Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:11 PM

I've seen the 1:72s of the mecha you mentioned on ebay.  You're right, waaay too much for my budget as well.  Have you thought about the 1:100 versions of those mechs to be closer to the BT "game" scale as opposed to the scale from the original animes?

I also have the Ziyon kit.  I'm planning on building it with the Kurita reflective camo scheme from the old MechWarrior rulebook.  I'm also looking at using some of my spares of other Macross kits in 1:100 for similar BT projects.  After what I read about the lance you want to build, I checked the kits I had handy for size and thought about the BT tonnage stats.  First, the stats: Battlemaster-85t, Marauder-75t, Warhammer-70t, Rifleman-60t.

The box for the Ziyon kit says it's 16.5 cm assembled.  The size for the Glaug ( BT "Marauder" ) in 1:100 is also about 16.5 cm and would be about 23cm in 1:72.  The Tomahawk ( BT "Warhammer" ) is 12.7 cm in 1:100 and would be 17.6 cm in 1:72.  I didn't have the Defender ( BT "Rifleman" ) kit handy, but it's about the same size as the Tomahawk. Going with 1:72 for all of them, you'd have the "Lord of the Battlefield" being shorter than mechs 10-15 tons lighter, 25 tons in the case of the Rifleman! 

The only kit with visible crew is the Ziyon so you don't have to worry about different-scale visible pilots. 

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Posted by philp on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:01 PM

I would love some of these to be repopped in 1/72nd so I can finish my Heavy Lance.

Only mech I have is the Battlemaster from the Revell kit.  I also have the 8-wheeled armored car (with the turret) and would like a few more of the ground vehicles.

 The ones I have seen on ebay always go for a small fortune so little chance I will get them there.

The ones I want are the Marauder, Rifleman and Warhammer.

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:03 AM
actualy, it did get the chop and reseen mini. I happen to own both of them. it sucks cause I like the original one better.
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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:09 AM

The only problem is the Monster wasn't used as a basis for a BT design.  The closest in appearance ( and even this is stretching a bit ) is the Behemoth/Stone Rhino.  The good news about that one is that it was different enough from the Macross designs that it wasn't included in the list of "unseen" after the legal issues came up.

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:13 PM

 ikar01 wrote:
Don't forget the Destroid Monster from the Macross series.  I found one in 1/160 at a model contest.  They also made one in 1/200, I believe.

That is correct. The larger kit was made by Arii and the smaller by Imai. I have both unbuilt - my understanding is that the smaller one is better shaped/proportioned. Plentiful in the 80's (when I got mine), both are exceedingly difficult and expensive to get hold of now.

I believe there have been larger scale resin versions as well.

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 9:38 PM
Don't forget the Destroid Monster from the Macross series.  I found one in 1/160 at a model contest.  They also made one in 1/200, I believe.

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Posted by Cosmic J on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:08 AM

I know, right? $80 plus shipping, and as an 80's vintage kit, you just know it's gonna take a lot of work to make it look good. Just not worth it.

More Grrrr! SoapBox [soapbox]

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Posted by Kugai on Monday, December 1, 2008 5:43 PM

I forgot about the fighters!  I think the main one I know of from Crusher Joe was called the "Corsair" in BT.  I've only seen small-scale kits of it on evilbay occasionally, but there's no way I'm paying the $50-$80 they ask for that kit that's about 5 inches long!

OK, maybe if I win the lottery...

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Posted by Cosmic J on Monday, December 1, 2008 2:39 PM
 Kugai wrote:

It's a shame that Harmony Gold pooched things by selling rights to FASA when they weren't in any position to rightfully do so.  At least it helped with FASA's art; no more "tracing" the 2 dozen or so pics they had access to from Tatsunoko. 

Oh man, that's my biggest frustration w/ sci-fi modeling right now. I want to build a bunch of those old Crusher Joe kits (especially the fighters that FASA used for Aerotech), and some of those Robotech/Dougram kits like the Tequilla Gunner, but nobody can re-pop them.

Grrrr!! Grumpy [|(]

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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:34 PM

If anyone's interested in plastic kits of the "unseen" BT mechs in a size closer to mini use, the 1:200 scale Macross line was made by Nichimo.  This covers the old Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Spartan, Rifleman, Crusader, and Marauder designs.  Many of these were also repackaged and sold by Testors in their "R.O.B.O.T." series of kits.  The old Locust is available in a small-scale kit from the series Crusher Joe ( I forget the manufacturer and scale given ).  The 1:144 scale Dougram series is bigger than the Nichimos but may be useful if you can find them and cover the Battlemaster, Wolverine, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, and Griffin designs from BT.

No, I didn't get my first BT box set back in 1985 or anything Whistling [:-^]

It's a shame that Harmony Gold pooched things by selling rights to FASA when they weren't in any position to rightfully do so.  At least it helped with FASA's art; no more "tracing" the 2 dozen or so pics they had access to from Tatsunoko. 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, November 14, 2008 2:17 PM
Haha, guess so.

 

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Posted by dupes on Friday, November 14, 2008 1:46 PM
Of course they do...and of course they're the ones who "aren't bad". Wink [;)]
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, November 14, 2008 1:37 PM
hey, watch it a few of our members have daughters in the military

 

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Friday, November 14, 2008 11:07 AM

obviously you have never seen Navy and/or Marine females.............Tongue [:P]

 

dont get me wrong, some of them are not bad, but the rest.......

Some people spend their whole lives wondering if they made a difference. Gundams don't have that problem.
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, November 14, 2008 7:31 AM
and here all I thought military guys drooled over was military women.

 

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:58 PM

who is drooling? if i am drooling over anything it the 1/72 scale VF-25S that just hit the shelfs over here yesterday. cant wait to get one!

 

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Posted by Jagdwolf on Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:52 AM

A friend of mine from high school, whom I hadn't seen in 20 years, has the 1/35th scale Horizon Mad Cat vinyl kit, and may be passing it to my collection, in unbuilt form.

Okay, Puma, I can hear you drooling all the way over here. Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:02 PM
some of the Re-seens are OK, but most look like crap if you ask me. gimme the old ones any day of the week, stolen or not.
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Posted by dnatech on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:37 PM

Many of the miniatures are being rereleased, including new sculpts of the 16 unseen mechs from the original battletech game. The game is alive and still pumping out figures.

Steve

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:13 PM
post the pics already you crazy ol' wolf! LOL! Laugh [(-D]
Some people spend their whole lives wondering if they made a difference. Gundams don't have that problem.
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Posted by zackesch on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:56 PM
Big Smile [:D] i dont think it would bother zackBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:08 PM
Shoot, I think it would be too cruel to ME, but I'd still be willing to see a pic if you can get them all together! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Jagdwolf on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:54 PM
Do you think I should tell zackesch that not only do I have both Armorcast resin kits, but the museum scale Atlas, Mad Cat and Vulture from Ral Partha, the MechWarrior 4 Mad Cat promo, and all of the Clan 'Mechs (with the exception of the IIC variants) from IWM as well? Or should I just be cruel and post photos of them all, and listen to his lamentations with perked ears?Evil [}:)]
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:18 AM
I got one of them up in that 'build my stash groupbuild' a 1/100, by arii

 

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Posted by Puma_Adder on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:21 PM
If you want some of those unseen mechs from your days of fun, you may try looking for the kits that the mechs were based on. bandai made a crapload of macross (thats Robotech for all you that dont follow anime) kits that vary from 1/100 to 1/48. should be able to find them if you look hard enough.
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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:01 PM

I guess that's why I thought that they were discontinued - we were really playing a lot right when that whole "copyright infringement" thing happened.

I have almost ALL of those on the "banned" list...rifleman, warhammer, archer, marauder. Good times! I wonder if I have a pic of any of those figs somewhere. Have to look.  

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