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Charles W. Morgan in San Francisco- research for future build

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Charles W. Morgan in San Francisco- research for future build
Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:10 PM

I spent a very pleasant several hours today in the library of the San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park. My focus is on the years 1886-1904 that the C. W. Morgan was based here.

They have an excellent staff and were able to provide quite a few photographs, mostly either from the east or parts unknown. I did however find one very fine picture taken in a yard in San Francisco while she was out of the water.

Curiously, the one picture I had already found, in Leavitt, was attributed to the SFMNHP but is actually at Bancroft over in Berkeley. I'll have to plan my trip there soon.

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:18 AM

GM,

I really miss living in the Bay Area, especially in the summer here...... It was a "pleasant" 111 today while in Alameda it was 72.

I also spent many an hour at the Bancroft Libary in my undergrad days at Cal as well as the Maritime Park.  I would especially like to tour the sub there as I have a 1/72 Gato calling  to me from my stash.

Was the picture of the Morgan out of the water the one showing her stern?  If I remember correctly she has the stern configuration that is presently on her.  Also, are you going to post some of the pictures that you have found?

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:23 AM

I have quite a few old images of the Morgan when she was hauled out on the railways, images of her wheel configuration, Masts, channels, hull...even her fiddlehead or billet.  You might be talking about the same images........

Rob

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:06 PM

Rob,

I know it would help my build if you would post them.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:34 PM

Amen to that. Steve, unfortunately I cannot post the images without prior permission, but I'd be happy to send you the ones I have by email or PM.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:04 PM

Here's a detail I find laying the kit hull on a scaled drawing- the one in "Leavitt" and also in the Mystic book.

Looking at photos of the ship, the drawing seems more correct than the kit.

I plan to replace the entire transom with a blank one, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal to extend the hull sides and hurricane houses. That latter may be the most work.

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:59 PM

GM,

Thanks for the PM, all I can say is amazing.

I agree that replacing the transom would be the way to go; you could even take the eagle off the model.  From what I can see, the drawing is more accurate than the model at least in the stern section; how does the midship and bow look? The model is pretty close except for the length and possibly the chain plate.  Will you also have to move the window?  It looks like a stove vent towards the fore part of the hurricane house but I'm not sure what the structure/pole behind it is?

It also looks like there's a sink hole, are there many of those on your model?  Surprisingly, there were no sink divots or holes and very little flash on mine.

Thanks again,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:15 PM

The bow looks good, except that I think the vertical sides of the beak are sucked in too deep, but haven't focused on that. Probably other minor stuff. The O.A. length checked out pretty well I thought. The chainplates are kind of pathetic and on the fore and mizzen sets seem a little out of place. Those will be easy to replace.

One other thing is that the masts are all raked on the drawing, but on the model, just fiddling around, it seems like only the mizzen is (???). But they at least seem to be in pretty correct locations.

There's also a short stout horizontal cross tree sort of thing on the mizzen in some of the later photos just below the crosstrees proper. It seems to be for the ends of the main sail braces- to keep them out of the way of the boats and davits etc. Here I expose my lack of knowledge of rigging, but if any of you can offer some insight, much appreciated.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:22 PM

For everyone's edification.........These were taken during an 1850's overhaul I belive.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:24 PM

Pictures would be nice

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:27 PM

Over sized.....I'll try again

 

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:30 PM

Sorry...I can't get the images to upload.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:50 PM

Lets try this

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:52 PM

One more....How small does this image need to be?

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:53 PM

OK..

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:56 PM

Grrrrrr.....

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:15 PM

Keep trying!

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Posted by 1943Mike on Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:06 PM

Rob,

I'm not sure this will help. I know you know how to post images ... but maybe a small variation in technique would break through?

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/154443.aspx

Mike

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 1:40 PM

I figured it out...I failed to post my images to my FB account then upload them to here...when I get home, I'll post those CWM images.  :)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:43 PM

I think I figured it out...well for all of you Morgan builders.  These are images from her turn of the century overhaul.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:44 PM

And her bow

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:45 PM

From the bow looking back

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:46 PM

Here she is drawn out for repairs..wider view

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:47 PM

Her billet.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:48 PM

Foremast top rigging

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:49 PM

Looking up the main mast

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:50 PM

More main mast rigging

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:51 PM

Mizzen mast top

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:52 PM

Another angle

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:55 PM

One of the wheel and tiller control

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