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Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria by Revell

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria by Revell
Posted by gene1 on Monday, May 30, 2016 9:26 AM

 After seeing Docidle's beautiful work I got an urge to do all 3 in small scale. I had just finished the Black Swan & Imai Santa Maria. I built a lot of full rigged wooden sailing ship models but that has been years ago whem my hands worked better. Plastic ships have been a ball.

   I wanted to build the 3 Columbus ships with the sails & the big red Crosses as a display. Here is my first the Pinta. It doesn't compare with Steve's (Docidle) but I wanted to get  them done quicker.

  You can see in the last picture I used a fine brass wire thru the mast to push the sail out to give it good shape. I also cheated on the shrouds as they didn't give me enough blocks to do the shrouds. I just tied the lines off of a single block,

  I use a lot of brass wire in a lot of places to strengthen small parts. I most always prime with Dupli Color lacquer primer. I have used it for years on all sorts of plastic models. It is very fine & works great. I spray it from the can thru a short straw into my airbrush bottle. Lacquer primer works fine on plastic . Don't use lacquer paint tho on plastic.

 I will be back & show more pictures as I finish them. I am over 1/2 done with the Heller Nina. It is not as nice a kit as the Revell Pinta but is slightly smaller & different. It does have recessed deck lines & that is good. the casting's are not as nice as Revells. The Nina & Pinta in Revell are of more recent production than the old Santa Maria.

  My one problem with ship building is I can't tie knots. Even on my old really nice wooden ships & riverboats I had a fit with knots.

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, May 30, 2016 2:16 PM

Well Gee !

   What's " KNOT " to like here ? LOL.LOL.  Nice job and besides the knots would be smaller than what we can do in scale anyway ! T.B.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:11 AM

For any skill I am having a hard time with, I often set up a "practice" jig and keep doing the task till my fingers learn the ropes.  I also have a couple of tools I made that helps: a hook and a fork, both made from plastic knitting needles.  The fork has half the eye ground off- the hook as a quarter of the eye ground off.  Knitting rigging also demands several really good tweezers of different styles.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by templar1099 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:02 AM

A nice rendition, I particularly think the deck work outstanding.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:39 PM

Thank you guys for all the nice words. Don, I want to get back with you on knots. I think with me it is more age because I once did a lot better.

 

 But that was 30 years ago. I will try again, but right now I am taking theasy way out. 85 year old parts just  don't work as well, but the doctor at the VA today said everything was fine. Here's another of the Constitution that I cleaned up.

 

 Thanks again & I am putting the sails on the Nina. They are really fun models in the smaller scale. My Constitution is about 36" & has about a 1000 copper plates on the bottom. The trouble I think with ship models is once you finish one side, you have another just like it to do.

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:43 AM

I am most impressed!  You do beautiful work!

Bill

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:00 AM

Thanks Bill. I went thru & cleaned up a lot of pictures & they do look better. I was a lot better years ago, but it is still just as much fun no matter how old yo get.  I am in heat right now over plastic ship kits of all sizes.

                                          Gene

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:11 AM

That Constitution is awesome!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:18 AM

Beautiful work, Gene, and nice upgrades to your Constitution!

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:31 AM

Baron, my Constitution is a Mamoli wood plank on frame kit. I really like Mamoli as they go together nicely & their rigging instructions are the best. I put black thread between each deck plank. Tapering the planking to match on each side is pretty hard.

  I don't know where this dark printing came from because I just lost this post & am re writing it. I used some real copper plates on the hull at the bottom & antiqued them with green paint mix. I did this model in 1983 & it is still perfect. Rigging is still all intact. I did bees wax all the lines.

    I did a lot of mamoli kits, the Golden Hind & others. I am just putting the sails on the Nina. I put a piece of fine wire at the bottom of the sails so they would hold their curve. Clover House is s good place to get wire. I use a bunch of it. I rigged all my 1930 planes with it.  Hey Don, I don't have to tie knots in the wire.Maybe I will try to rig a ship with it.

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:42 AM

Here is some wire rigging.

Thes are old 1/32 kits & a lot of fun to build. Most came from ebay.New decals are available. I am bad remembering nam,es, but I can check.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:08 AM

Hardest aircraft model I ever rigged was a 1:48 scale DH2.  The aft fuselage and tail section was so flexible the rigging was very much structural!  Problem was, it was so floppy without the rigging, it was hard to hold the tail section in the right place and alignment while getting the first few pieces of rigging done.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:48 AM
Gene, Are there any plastic kits that you are looking for? I have most of those produced over the years, including many extras. My only real concern with the POB kits is that the European manufacturers are not careful about providing kits of historic ships. Many are simply fantasy ships that never existed. However, I do recognize that the most prolific of plastic manufacturers have done the same. Simply look at the Heller and the Revell kits. Most are quite accurate; several are ridiculous. Some of us on this forum have also expressed concern about the relatively poor materials in POB kits. But, the kits would be far more expensive if marketed with better materials; I adapt my POB kits by using the plywood parts as templates from which to make my own quality parts. (Yes, I also build POB!) Anyway, please let me know about the plastic kits. Bill
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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:35 AM

  Bill, Thanks, that is a great offer, but at 85 I don't want to get too many. If I find myself in heat for something I will sure email you. I have the big Imai Golden Hind & Pirate ship & 2 small Mayflowers & I just got a Revell small Golden Hind.

    After I had my new knee put in, for some reason I stopped building models. I have 2 hips & a Knee now & 25 years ago a 4 way bi pass plus all the other little things that go wrong. Everything is great now according to my doc at the VA Tuesday.

   I started building again with a little Ryan PT 22 similar to Harrison Fords plane. That was about 6 months ago & since then I built 18 1/32 fighters, A 1/32 Gunze SS100 (beautiful ) The Black Swan, the Imai 1/60 Santa Maria, & now the  1/90 Nina Pinta, & Santa Maria. My problem is I have run out of glass cabinets & plastic cases.

    Thanks again,   Gene

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:46 PM

Well I just took some pictures of the Nina & will put them on now.

The Heller Nina was a fair kit,but not as good as the Nina or Pinta. I might have to build a Revell Nina too. I am confused as to how the large sail goes, in or out of the shrouds. If it were inside the sail could not billow at all. Also I put wire at the bottom of each sail so they would hold the shape of a billowed sail. I will put them on an oak base as soon as I can get some made.  These really don't compare to Docidle's (Steve ) Nina but they were fun to build. Now I will do the Santa Maria.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:48 PM

gene1

Well I just took some pictures of the Nina & will put them on now.

The Heller Nina was a fair kit,but not as good as the Nina or Pinta. I might have to build a Revell Nina too. I am confused as to how the large sail goes, in or out of the shrouds. If it were inside the sail could not billow at all. Also I put wire at the bottom of each sail so they would hold the shape of a billowed sail. I will put them on an oak base as soon as I can get some made.  THESE DON'T REALLY COMPARE TO Docidle's (Steve ) Nina but they were fun to build. Now I will do the Santa Maria.

 

Oh my God - I hope that you're kidding!! These are gorgeous! I love the wood look, and the sails are great along with the rigging, weathering, etc. I do this for a living, but you Sir, have the the great skill that few do truly have! I use guitar strings, and sewing pins bent to my specs for tying off rigging easily. I just make a big loop, then tie, then I loop again, then tighten down. I'm used to making surgical type stitches so it's easy for me to do, but I keep these from coming off with Aileens' STOP FRAYING from Jo-Ann fabrics, or Michaels. It's made for fabric so that it remains supple, and soft without discolouration, or stiffness.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:20 PM

Cobra, That sure is a nice post, thanks. You & Don Stauffer are going to have to teach me to tie knots. I've been building models for 75 years & I still can't tie knots . Those are the plastic sails that came with the kit. That main sail does look too big to me.

     One thing I meant to mention was on flags. I have some paper thin brass sheets that I cut up & put inside a flag folded over. I use another type of fabric glue to glue the flag together & paint the edge of the flag a matching color. Then you can bend & curl the flag  & it looks pretty real.

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:42 PM

I agree with cobra , your a harsh critic gene , that model is beautiful

 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 3, 2016 10:53 AM

Well I let my pea sized brain decide where to put the sail & I was wrong. I have already cut it loose & wil re rig it today. It won/t have the extreme curve tho. Thay is why I put it outside the shrouds.

   With all the rigged ships i have built, I have never built one with only Lanteen sails. See, even when you're old you still learn. I will repost pictures of it done right. Also I will put pictures of my big 1/60 Santa Maria.

  I had put a small brass rod thru the mast to hold the sail & it was long enough to just cut off & it still is good for the yard to attach to. The rigging I just cut.

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Posted by Xena on Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:05 AM

These are so beautiful, so stunning ..  i cant think of stronger words to describe them.

Thank you for sharing

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:48 AM

Xena, thanks a lot.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 6, 2016 8:05 AM

Hi Chris, Are you a surgeon, surgical knots sounds like it. The fabric glue I used is Aileen's, but it is not fabric glue it is some kind of glue, but it does the fabric job too. I painted it on my cloth flags so I could bend them to shape. I haven't bent them yet, I have been working on the Revell Santa Maria. 3 days and the hul is all together with wood in the base to screw into, & painted. It really surprised me as it looks great. Much better than what the kit looked like & has been very easy so far. I will get some pictures of it before I put the stain wash on.

   Will you expain your bent knitting needles & guitar strings.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 6, 2016 10:51 AM

Gene, very nice work. I particulary like the paint work that you did. Nice job.

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Posted by templar1099 on Monday, June 6, 2016 11:03 AM

Two down,one to go. Each as nice as the last. It's encouraging, I only have 20 more years before I can attain this level.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Monday, June 6, 2016 11:39 AM

These are beautiful models. I especially like the sails - and anybody who knows me knows I don't say that often. The three finished ones will make a terrific display.

I do hope you're making plans for a glass or plexiglas case (or cases). I'm afraid dust might ruin those sails.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Monday, June 6, 2016 12:06 PM

Now, regarding knot-tying. Sailors, Boy Scouts, and other types of person have come up with literally thousands of different ways to tie a knot over the centuries. If you really want to learn about the subject, a grand old book called The Ashley Book of Knots, by Clifford Ashley, will tell you more than you'll ever need to know. But knot-tying doesn't need to be a form of witchcraft. The truth is that (though some ship modelers don't like to admit it) to rig a ship model you only need to know two knots: the half hitch (and its close relative, two half hitches) and the clove hitch. They're just about the two easiest knots to tie.

Several websites offer nice, animated illustrations for knot-tying. Here are links to two - from the same site. (If you go to the homepage, you'll find illustrations of lots more, but let's just stick to the basics.)

Here's the half hitch (and two half hitches: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/half-hitch . This knot will work for at least 90% of all applications on a ship model. You probably already know how to tie it, and didn't realize you did.

The clove hitch has one common use in sailing ships: tying ratlines to shrouds. Here it is: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/clove-hitch . Where the text refers to a posts, substitute shroud. Some people, for some reason, find this one difficult. I've never been able to figure out why.

A couple of others may come in handy occasionally. If you can handle a third one, I'd suggest the square knot (known more often to sailors as the reef knot) for tying two lines together: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/square-knot . The slip knot comes in handy sometimes for tying a line off to a spar; it lets you make a big loop and tighten it. It's actually just a variation on two half hitches: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/slip-knot . I remember having to learn it to tie my neckerchief in the Cub Scouts.

Every half-baked sailor knows how to tie a bowline, but it comes up in ship modeling so seldom that I have to look it up every time I want to tie it.

Best, maybe, to practice with some real rope (you'll only need a couple of feet) first, rather than starting out with the thread you'll use on the model.

Bottom line: if you can tie the two half hitches and the clove hitch, you can rig a ship model.

Hope that helps.

Slight disclaimer: the labels for these knots sometimes get kicked around a little. I'm using the ones used by that particular website.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 6, 2016 4:51 PM

jtilley,  John, thanks very much for the knot info. If I can do the 2 half hitches that will be all I need. I don't know what I tied in the past ,30 or more years ago, but I did do some nice rigging & a lot of it.

   I got back into ship models in plastic because I can see a finish on each one. I dont know what the first step in tieing my shoes is, but that coupled with CA glue get me by pretty well. I do tie a few other simple ones. I do great on building most anything & airbrushing too.

   I loved a lot of scratch building on my train layouts, no knots, I designed a lot of my building's from pictures i took out west.

    I grew up in Missouri & my great grandmother went thru the Civil War in Nashville & I talked to her alot about that. Needless to say she had Robt. E Lee & Stonewall ont the walls. She lived to be 105 so I saw a lot of her.She even got my mom to name my brother Robert Lee, but mom wouldn't go for the E added too. I do love history.

   My son in law is a professor @ Western Carolina here in Sylva. He was at U.T. but they got him over here. He is an economist, but got heavy into Tourism & they have a lot of courses there in that.

 If you ever get over here drop in. We are in Waynesville.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 10, 2016 7:29 PM

   I started the Revell Santa Maria last Friday & it has been a real surprise. It has turned into a a really beautifull little model. You have a lot of flash & trash cleanup, but even old Revell castings are great.

  I had the hull & deck & wood in the hull bottom by Monday & primed ( with my gray Duplicolor lacquer primer ) & painted with David K's colors of Earth Red & dark Tan. I do thank him again for that. He has been very generous with his colors & he is very good with choosing them.

   I put on all the shroud details & things that could pull loose before I painted so I could use tamiya liquid glue & Ca back up. I put everything together before I painted as it is easy to hand paint the small deck portions that need touch up. I am not much of a pre painter as the glue does not hold over paint.

   Today I have all the deck detail done & the masts up & main mast shroud lines on. I did take pictures of everything before I used the oil wash's but my computer I use to send them is in for repair so i will post them next week.

   I have the sails partially done & painted & decaled. I mixed Tamiya Deck Tan with white & Desert yellow & painted them . Then I glossed them with Testors gloss lacq. & put on the red crosses. I will lightly spray them now with burnt umber wash to get a weathered look. It does work & look good. When that is done i will dullcote them for a flat finish.

 I have drilled the main sail & sewed it on the main spar. I make a needle out of CA on the end of the thread & use it to sew the sail to the spar thru the predrilled holes. Works great. I have a lot of little things I do & will put them on as i think of them.

  I have two big Imai kits to buld but I wanted to build the Columbus trio first. These are the first small plastic ship kits I have built in my 75 model building years & I am hooked. After building Hellers Nina I went ahead & got the Revell Nina so I am going to build that too. I also have the Revell Golden Hind & Mayflower to build & I do love the little kits. I have over 400 models in the house built & on display so room is tight for me.

   Pictures as soon as I have my other computer. By the way I do still have a real nice, pretty wife with my 400 models. Maybe she hasn't noticed them yet.

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:17 PM

   I finally got my computer back & I will post some pictures of my Revell Santa Maria & my Imai big Santa Maria & my Heller Nina with the sails inside the shrouds. I still don't know which is right because other Heller pictures call for both in & out & the Revell Nina has the sails outside the shrouds.

   This is my Revell Santa Maria before I put the oil wash on it. It is nearly done now & I will put pictures of it & the trio in a few days.

I had some diamond brass screen from previous models & used that on my cut out windows. I had painted it, but it didn't show up well so I left it brass.

  My Nina with the sails inside the shrouds.

  My big Imai Santa Maria.

The flags that I put Aileens glue on to bend them a little, with my mountains behind. This is as close to heaven as you can get & I have to sit here & look at this & build models for the last 25 years. I guess someone has to do it.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM

Gorgeous work Gene. And gorgeous back yard.

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