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Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria by Revell

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, May 30, 2016 2:16 PM

Well Gee !

   What's " KNOT " to like here ? LOL.LOL.  Nice job and besides the knots would be smaller than what we can do in scale anyway ! T.B.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:11 AM

For any skill I am having a hard time with, I often set up a "practice" jig and keep doing the task till my fingers learn the ropes.  I also have a couple of tools I made that helps: a hook and a fork, both made from plastic knitting needles.  The fork has half the eye ground off- the hook as a quarter of the eye ground off.  Knitting rigging also demands several really good tweezers of different styles.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by templar1099 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:02 AM

A nice rendition, I particularly think the deck work outstanding.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:39 PM

Thank you guys for all the nice words. Don, I want to get back with you on knots. I think with me it is more age because I once did a lot better.

 

 But that was 30 years ago. I will try again, but right now I am taking theasy way out. 85 year old parts just  don't work as well, but the doctor at the VA today said everything was fine. Here's another of the Constitution that I cleaned up.

 

 Thanks again & I am putting the sails on the Nina. They are really fun models in the smaller scale. My Constitution is about 36" & has about a 1000 copper plates on the bottom. The trouble I think with ship models is once you finish one side, you have another just like it to do.

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:43 AM

I am most impressed!  You do beautiful work!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:00 AM

Thanks Bill. I went thru & cleaned up a lot of pictures & they do look better. I was a lot better years ago, but it is still just as much fun no matter how old yo get.  I am in heat right now over plastic ship kits of all sizes.

                                          Gene

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:11 AM

That Constitution is awesome!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:18 AM

Beautiful work, Gene, and nice upgrades to your Constitution!

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:31 AM

Baron, my Constitution is a Mamoli wood plank on frame kit. I really like Mamoli as they go together nicely & their rigging instructions are the best. I put black thread between each deck plank. Tapering the planking to match on each side is pretty hard.

  I don't know where this dark printing came from because I just lost this post & am re writing it. I used some real copper plates on the hull at the bottom & antiqued them with green paint mix. I did this model in 1983 & it is still perfect. Rigging is still all intact. I did bees wax all the lines.

    I did a lot of mamoli kits, the Golden Hind & others. I am just putting the sails on the Nina. I put a piece of fine wire at the bottom of the sails so they would hold their curve. Clover House is s good place to get wire. I use a bunch of it. I rigged all my 1930 planes with it.  Hey Don, I don't have to tie knots in the wire.Maybe I will try to rig a ship with it.

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:42 AM

Here is some wire rigging.

Thes are old 1/32 kits & a lot of fun to build. Most came from ebay.New decals are available. I am bad remembering nam,es, but I can check.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:08 AM

Hardest aircraft model I ever rigged was a 1:48 scale DH2.  The aft fuselage and tail section was so flexible the rigging was very much structural!  Problem was, it was so floppy without the rigging, it was hard to hold the tail section in the right place and alignment while getting the first few pieces of rigging done.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:48 AM
Gene, Are there any plastic kits that you are looking for? I have most of those produced over the years, including many extras. My only real concern with the POB kits is that the European manufacturers are not careful about providing kits of historic ships. Many are simply fantasy ships that never existed. However, I do recognize that the most prolific of plastic manufacturers have done the same. Simply look at the Heller and the Revell kits. Most are quite accurate; several are ridiculous. Some of us on this forum have also expressed concern about the relatively poor materials in POB kits. But, the kits would be far more expensive if marketed with better materials; I adapt my POB kits by using the plywood parts as templates from which to make my own quality parts. (Yes, I also build POB!) Anyway, please let me know about the plastic kits. Bill
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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:35 AM

  Bill, Thanks, that is a great offer, but at 85 I don't want to get too many. If I find myself in heat for something I will sure email you. I have the big Imai Golden Hind & Pirate ship & 2 small Mayflowers & I just got a Revell small Golden Hind.

    After I had my new knee put in, for some reason I stopped building models. I have 2 hips & a Knee now & 25 years ago a 4 way bi pass plus all the other little things that go wrong. Everything is great now according to my doc at the VA Tuesday.

   I started building again with a little Ryan PT 22 similar to Harrison Fords plane. That was about 6 months ago & since then I built 18 1/32 fighters, A 1/32 Gunze SS100 (beautiful ) The Black Swan, the Imai 1/60 Santa Maria, & now the  1/90 Nina Pinta, & Santa Maria. My problem is I have run out of glass cabinets & plastic cases.

    Thanks again,   Gene

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:46 PM

Well I just took some pictures of the Nina & will put them on now.

The Heller Nina was a fair kit,but not as good as the Nina or Pinta. I might have to build a Revell Nina too. I am confused as to how the large sail goes, in or out of the shrouds. If it were inside the sail could not billow at all. Also I put wire at the bottom of each sail so they would hold the shape of a billowed sail. I will put them on an oak base as soon as I can get some made.  These really don't compare to Docidle's (Steve ) Nina but they were fun to build. Now I will do the Santa Maria.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:48 PM

gene1

Well I just took some pictures of the Nina & will put them on now.

The Heller Nina was a fair kit,but not as good as the Nina or Pinta. I might have to build a Revell Nina too. I am confused as to how the large sail goes, in or out of the shrouds. If it were inside the sail could not billow at all. Also I put wire at the bottom of each sail so they would hold the shape of a billowed sail. I will put them on an oak base as soon as I can get some made.  THESE DON'T REALLY COMPARE TO Docidle's (Steve ) Nina but they were fun to build. Now I will do the Santa Maria.

 

Oh my God - I hope that you're kidding!! These are gorgeous! I love the wood look, and the sails are great along with the rigging, weathering, etc. I do this for a living, but you Sir, have the the great skill that few do truly have! I use guitar strings, and sewing pins bent to my specs for tying off rigging easily. I just make a big loop, then tie, then I loop again, then tighten down. I'm used to making surgical type stitches so it's easy for me to do, but I keep these from coming off with Aileens' STOP FRAYING from Jo-Ann fabrics, or Michaels. It's made for fabric so that it remains supple, and soft without discolouration, or stiffness.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:20 PM

Cobra, That sure is a nice post, thanks. You & Don Stauffer are going to have to teach me to tie knots. I've been building models for 75 years & I still can't tie knots . Those are the plastic sails that came with the kit. That main sail does look too big to me.

     One thing I meant to mention was on flags. I have some paper thin brass sheets that I cut up & put inside a flag folded over. I use another type of fabric glue to glue the flag together & paint the edge of the flag a matching color. Then you can bend & curl the flag  & it looks pretty real.

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:42 PM

I agree with cobra , your a harsh critic gene , that model is beautiful

 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 3, 2016 10:53 AM

Well I let my pea sized brain decide where to put the sail & I was wrong. I have already cut it loose & wil re rig it today. It won/t have the extreme curve tho. Thay is why I put it outside the shrouds.

   With all the rigged ships i have built, I have never built one with only Lanteen sails. See, even when you're old you still learn. I will repost pictures of it done right. Also I will put pictures of my big 1/60 Santa Maria.

  I had put a small brass rod thru the mast to hold the sail & it was long enough to just cut off & it still is good for the yard to attach to. The rigging I just cut.

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Posted by Xena on Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:05 AM

These are so beautiful, so stunning ..  i cant think of stronger words to describe them.

Thank you for sharing

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:48 AM

Xena, thanks a lot.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 6, 2016 8:05 AM

Hi Chris, Are you a surgeon, surgical knots sounds like it. The fabric glue I used is Aileen's, but it is not fabric glue it is some kind of glue, but it does the fabric job too. I painted it on my cloth flags so I could bend them to shape. I haven't bent them yet, I have been working on the Revell Santa Maria. 3 days and the hul is all together with wood in the base to screw into, & painted. It really surprised me as it looks great. Much better than what the kit looked like & has been very easy so far. I will get some pictures of it before I put the stain wash on.

   Will you expain your bent knitting needles & guitar strings.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 6, 2016 10:51 AM

Gene, very nice work. I particulary like the paint work that you did. Nice job.

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Posted by templar1099 on Monday, June 6, 2016 11:03 AM

Two down,one to go. Each as nice as the last. It's encouraging, I only have 20 more years before I can attain this level.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, June 6, 2016 11:39 AM

These are beautiful models. I especially like the sails - and anybody who knows me knows I don't say that often. The three finished ones will make a terrific display.

I do hope you're making plans for a glass or plexiglas case (or cases). I'm afraid dust might ruin those sails.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, June 6, 2016 12:06 PM

Now, regarding knot-tying. Sailors, Boy Scouts, and other types of person have come up with literally thousands of different ways to tie a knot over the centuries. If you really want to learn about the subject, a grand old book called The Ashley Book of Knots, by Clifford Ashley, will tell you more than you'll ever need to know. But knot-tying doesn't need to be a form of witchcraft. The truth is that (though some ship modelers don't like to admit it) to rig a ship model you only need to know two knots: the half hitch (and its close relative, two half hitches) and the clove hitch. They're just about the two easiest knots to tie.

Several websites offer nice, animated illustrations for knot-tying. Here are links to two - from the same site. (If you go to the homepage, you'll find illustrations of lots more, but let's just stick to the basics.)

Here's the half hitch (and two half hitches: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/half-hitch . This knot will work for at least 90% of all applications on a ship model. You probably already know how to tie it, and didn't realize you did.

The clove hitch has one common use in sailing ships: tying ratlines to shrouds. Here it is: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/clove-hitch . Where the text refers to a posts, substitute shroud. Some people, for some reason, find this one difficult. I've never been able to figure out why.

A couple of others may come in handy occasionally. If you can handle a third one, I'd suggest the square knot (known more often to sailors as the reef knot) for tying two lines together: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/square-knot . The slip knot comes in handy sometimes for tying a line off to a spar; it lets you make a big loop and tighten it. It's actually just a variation on two half hitches: http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/slip-knot . I remember having to learn it to tie my neckerchief in the Cub Scouts.

Every half-baked sailor knows how to tie a bowline, but it comes up in ship modeling so seldom that I have to look it up every time I want to tie it.

Best, maybe, to practice with some real rope (you'll only need a couple of feet) first, rather than starting out with the thread you'll use on the model.

Bottom line: if you can tie the two half hitches and the clove hitch, you can rig a ship model.

Hope that helps.

Slight disclaimer: the labels for these knots sometimes get kicked around a little. I'm using the ones used by that particular website.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 6, 2016 4:51 PM

jtilley,  John, thanks very much for the knot info. If I can do the 2 half hitches that will be all I need. I don't know what I tied in the past ,30 or more years ago, but I did do some nice rigging & a lot of it.

   I got back into ship models in plastic because I can see a finish on each one. I dont know what the first step in tieing my shoes is, but that coupled with CA glue get me by pretty well. I do tie a few other simple ones. I do great on building most anything & airbrushing too.

   I loved a lot of scratch building on my train layouts, no knots, I designed a lot of my building's from pictures i took out west.

    I grew up in Missouri & my great grandmother went thru the Civil War in Nashville & I talked to her alot about that. Needless to say she had Robt. E Lee & Stonewall ont the walls. She lived to be 105 so I saw a lot of her.She even got my mom to name my brother Robert Lee, but mom wouldn't go for the E added too. I do love history.

   My son in law is a professor @ Western Carolina here in Sylva. He was at U.T. but they got him over here. He is an economist, but got heavy into Tourism & they have a lot of courses there in that.

 If you ever get over here drop in. We are in Waynesville.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 10, 2016 7:29 PM

   I started the Revell Santa Maria last Friday & it has been a real surprise. It has turned into a a really beautifull little model. You have a lot of flash & trash cleanup, but even old Revell castings are great.

  I had the hull & deck & wood in the hull bottom by Monday & primed ( with my gray Duplicolor lacquer primer ) & painted with David K's colors of Earth Red & dark Tan. I do thank him again for that. He has been very generous with his colors & he is very good with choosing them.

   I put on all the shroud details & things that could pull loose before I painted so I could use tamiya liquid glue & Ca back up. I put everything together before I painted as it is easy to hand paint the small deck portions that need touch up. I am not much of a pre painter as the glue does not hold over paint.

   Today I have all the deck detail done & the masts up & main mast shroud lines on. I did take pictures of everything before I used the oil wash's but my computer I use to send them is in for repair so i will post them next week.

   I have the sails partially done & painted & decaled. I mixed Tamiya Deck Tan with white & Desert yellow & painted them . Then I glossed them with Testors gloss lacq. & put on the red crosses. I will lightly spray them now with burnt umber wash to get a weathered look. It does work & look good. When that is done i will dullcote them for a flat finish.

 I have drilled the main sail & sewed it on the main spar. I make a needle out of CA on the end of the thread & use it to sew the sail to the spar thru the predrilled holes. Works great. I have a lot of little things I do & will put them on as i think of them.

  I have two big Imai kits to buld but I wanted to build the Columbus trio first. These are the first small plastic ship kits I have built in my 75 model building years & I am hooked. After building Hellers Nina I went ahead & got the Revell Nina so I am going to build that too. I also have the Revell Golden Hind & Mayflower to build & I do love the little kits. I have over 400 models in the house built & on display so room is tight for me.

   Pictures as soon as I have my other computer. By the way I do still have a real nice, pretty wife with my 400 models. Maybe she hasn't noticed them yet.

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:17 PM

   I finally got my computer back & I will post some pictures of my Revell Santa Maria & my Imai big Santa Maria & my Heller Nina with the sails inside the shrouds. I still don't know which is right because other Heller pictures call for both in & out & the Revell Nina has the sails outside the shrouds.

   This is my Revell Santa Maria before I put the oil wash on it. It is nearly done now & I will put pictures of it & the trio in a few days.

I had some diamond brass screen from previous models & used that on my cut out windows. I had painted it, but it didn't show up well so I left it brass.

  My Nina with the sails inside the shrouds.

  My big Imai Santa Maria.

The flags that I put Aileens glue on to bend them a little, with my mountains behind. This is as close to heaven as you can get & I have to sit here & look at this & build models for the last 25 years. I guess someone has to do it.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM

Gorgeous work Gene. And gorgeous back yard.

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:10 PM

Bakster, Thank you & I just finished taking pictures of the nearly finished Santa Maria & friends. It still needs to have shields & deck guns & touch up, but i couldn't wait. This is fun. Here they are. Pretty neat for a 50 + year old kit. '

 I am proud of myself, I didn't screw up the posting. Everything is new to me on the computer & Picasa has gone to Google.

 I have had a ball building these 3 & I am still going to build the Revell Nina. I think it will be better.  I am surely no compitition to Docidle on rigging as he does a beautiful job on everything .  Mine were just for fun & they were. I built the Santa Maria in about 11 days & I wasn't rushing. I used most of DavidK's paint colors & oil washes. He is an artist with them.

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:28 PM

I just finished a long post with pictures & lost it. Bakster, Thank you. It is fun to hear that. All you guys have been great.

 I just finished taking  pictures of my nearly finished Santa Maria & here they are. I still need the shields & deck guns 7 touch up but it looks pretty good for a 50 + year old kit. I sure had fun buildin g the trio.

 Well that was fun doing the 3 & now what am I going to build when I finish the Maria. I was only on it about 11 days as it went together very easy & nice. My rigging is not anywhere near Docidle's as his work is supberb. I used David K's colors on paint & stain & he is a color artist. Thanks for the help.    Gene

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:02 PM

Gene, these are spectacular. I love em. And they are beautifully photographed too! 

You should be very proud these. I certainly would be. 

I see that you live in NC. That is a beautiful area that you are living in. 

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:35 PM

so you should be proud of them gene , they are beautiful , your backyard is pretty special too

steve5

 

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:53 PM

Thank you, guy's. I didn't mean to put 2 posts the same on. I didn't know ther was a second page & thought I had lost it., That ridge line in the one picture is the start of the Smoky Mtn Natl. Park. I do love North Carolina & the mountains.

   We camped in 47 different states & all across Canada & I like living here better than anywhere. I love the western mountains, & have 4 wheeled over the tops of a lot of them, but I like green mtns. best.

    By the way Bakster was it you having trouble with MM paint lifting. I did too have that trouble when I masked on some planes. I never had it with Tamiya. If I prime with gray lacquer car primer (Dupli Color ) it doesn't happen. I prime most everything with it. The lacquer primer is fine on plastic, just don't use lacquer paint without priming. I built a lot of plastic car models & used lacuer paint over lacquer primer. Works great.

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:16 PM

Gene, that is interesting to hear about your travel experiences. I am several years away from retirement but NC has been at the top of my list of where I would like to live.

Yes I did make a recent reference to MM lifting. My solution was better mixing. I just tonight opened a new bottle of MM paint and it was very gunked up at the bottom. Visualize globs on the mixing stick. That seems to be the norm for me with their paint. It takes a lot of mixing. Your observations about primer makes sense as well. I can totally see that. I am a fan of Tamiya as well!

 

 

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:24 PM

I just took these in the bright sun. I am not much of a photographer, but they are better.

Nina from above.

Santa Maria finished.

all 3 Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria

Santa Maria with full paper flags.

Santa M. showing the paper pennant. I might just leave the ropes as they look pretty good painted & weathered. This is about out of the box.

 Iweathered the shields.

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:01 PM

I love the image of the three of them next to each other. That glass table almost looks like water too. Very nicely done, all around. Do you have a place to display them in your house?

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:16 PM

The table does look like water doesn't it. Bakster, I have so many models & since this last eptdemic of building I am becoming overun. I have 2 big glass cabinets with about 140  1/48 fighter planes. I have 2 4x7  shelves with about 150 1/24 cars. Then I have cased ships all over. And then another Ferrari cabinet full of 1/43, 1/24 1/16 & 1/18 & 1/12 Ferrari's. Then there is a large & small stage coach & a lot more.

    I do have a man down in South Carolina that build's nice plastic case's reasonably.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 17, 2016 12:15 AM

Holy cats.... You are a prolific builder for sure.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, June 17, 2016 1:40 AM

would love to see your whole collection

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 17, 2016 6:54 AM

I agree with Steve. It would be great to see the collection. 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 17, 2016 8:22 AM

I will take some pictures of all my cases, you will be proud of me that I have "charmed" my wife into the models as a big part of her life too. Maybe ????

   You should have seen me when I also had a 7'x14' train layout along with all the models. I sold that to a Secretary of Defense a few years ago. He was areal nice guy. Now I just have a little 36"x60" train layout too.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 17, 2016 9:14 AM

My gosh, Gene. I am laughing over here. You have it made in the shade.

Yeah..lets see some pictures.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 17, 2016 4:00 PM

Steve & Steve, be careful what you wish for as I went around & took pictures of most all the models i have in this house.

  part of my Ferrari's, part of these are diecast because I couldn't get this scal in plastic. Everything else in these pictures I built.

My 1/48 fighters. All are completely detailed.

The trio on my bar, no home yet.

For Bakster, my 1/48 DH2,  dusty in the case.

My 1/24 cars.

My 30"x60" HOn30 train layout. I built this, but have not nearly finished it, after I sold my 7'x14' layout.

It doesn't compare to my big one.

1/32 fighters

The last of my 1/72 fighters

Just more, a lot with no home yet.

Just my den.

This is the last picture & it is the exact plane my brother flew in off the Indiana in WW2. We were at the Dulles Smithsonian & I was looking at the Enola Gay & saw this plane hanging above it. I went up to look at it & saw it was off the Indiana. They only had 2 & my brother flew in both. He got a kick out of seeing that & I built the Revell model for him.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, June 17, 2016 4:04 PM

Bakster, I forgot this for you. It is my 1/72 DH2. It is better than the 1/48.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, June 17, 2016 9:00 PM

loved it gene ,I hope you've got your wife on a very big pedistal , [wonder if I could get her to talk to my wife lol ] . I was thinking of doing the robert e lee next , your's look's great

steve5

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 17, 2016 9:29 PM

Gene, I have to tell you that I am ALMOST...speechless. You sir, are the real deal. You are a true model enthusiast.

All I can do is smile when I look at your collection. Even the train setup is so nicely done. Top notch work Gene, in all that you did. The DH2 is cool too. And what a great story about your brother.

Question:  What more can you tell us about the plane and the ship that your brother was on? 

Thanks for sharing all this!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:26 AM

Bakster, The Indiana was one of the 10 new battleships. The Missouri class was 45,000 tons & his was 35000 tons, but they had pretty much the same armament. 35,000 was the limit allowed for battleships prewar,but the Japs built 3 65,000 ton battle ships with18" guns. The Yamota, Musachi & Shinano.

All the battleships had 2 observation planes on catapults at the rear. The ship would make a circle to smooth the water & they would land & be hoisted aboard.

  Towards the end of the war The Indiana & the South Dakota were sent to sink the Yamota. They didn't like that because of the big 18" guns,but when they got there 400 carrier planes had sunk her & there were dead japs & wreckage all over the water.

     The Indiana had about 11 or 12 battle stars & my brother had 7 of them. He had Saipan,Guam & Tinnian, Pellilue(?) Iwo Jima, Okinawa & The Phillipines. He was in Tokyo Bay with the Missouri for the surrender. He also said afterwards they picked a bunch of the tallest sailors, gave them 45's, & sent them ashore to see Japan. Bobby said they Sure were little people, but there was no trouble.

  He was also in the Mariana's Turkey Shoot & was on a 20mm anti aircraft gun.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:57 AM

Gene, thank you. You have answered all the questions that I had, even how they launched the planes. I suspect that once the planes are launched they land at some nearby base? How did they get the plane back onto the ship?

It sounds like your brother played a very interesting part in WW2. Is your brother still with us?

I had seen a documentary about how we used tall servicemen to intimidate the Japanese. I think it was at the official signing of surrender that they showed. These guys looked like giants next to them. 

I love hearing about these stories. Like with you being a kid when the war broke out, so was my Dad. He was born in Poland. He was eventually taken by the Germans and used as slave labor. His story reads like a novel. If I can find the time I plan to post some of his experiences. 

Thanks again for sharing all of this. This is really good stuff.

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Posted by Xena on Sunday, June 19, 2016 5:34 AM

Gene, these are spectacularly stunning! And so beautiful. 

Thank you for sharing. 

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 20, 2016 12:23 PM

Bakster, that is really interesting about your Grandfather, I would love to read more. We have been all over Germany & thru Dachau. Our daughter & her family have been working for the DOD over there for 18 years. 

  They used a crane with a hook they dropped to the plane & pulled it up.It was just an observation plane. 

    This has been a fun thread for me & thanks for all the nice words. I am building the Revell & the Airfix Mayflowers now. I am putting both together , the hull & decks etc. so I can see which is the best after priming & will do the best one first. The Airfix is slightly larger . The Revell only is 10 1/2" long & the Airfix about 12" . The Airfix is really a better size. 

    I have been thinking about getting the large Mayflower because the detail on the small one is very nice. The deck boards do not have recessed lines & that is not good. The old Revell Santa maria had recessed lines & painted up really nice.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 20, 2016 3:26 PM

Say Gene--that is very interesting that you have been to Germany and Dachau. I would like to tour the camps as well.

My Dad was not in one of the large extermination camps like Dachau. The camp that he was in was considered a work camp. Work you they did, to death. When you expired they threw your body into a pit. And make no mistake about it. They tortured people without reservation. My Dads welcome to the camp was a gauntlet of six SS guards, three on each side, all holding a heavy shank of copper wire. Your mission was to get through them without being killed. They took great joy in whipping each prisoner as they exited the truck. There is much much more to be told.

Thanks for explaining about the observation plane.

Too funny. Maybe you know that I am building the Mayflower as well. Only, my project is a slow one. Considering your speed and skill at building, I am sure that you will be done with yours before I am. I am currently working on weathering the decking. And guess what? I have the crummy raised lines. That was disappointing to discover. But what the hey... it's my first ship and it will do.

This is a good thread indeed.

 

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 20, 2016 3:57 PM

Bakster, please let me know whay I can do to help you. I have got a lot of things that have really made it easier on plastic ships, I have been completely putting the hull together befoere I paint. That is all the rigging tie down items, & shroud tables but no deck detail except tie down items. I wash good with rubbing alcohol, let dry & then prime with Dupli Color lacquer  primer. I am going to use white primer this time where the white is above.

   I rub down with some Napa 2000 grit ,approx, 3M type sanding pieces. Can't remember names of things at times. Then I paint my colors on the outer hull & inside rails. I sometimes mask the rails & spray the deck. I hand paint the little bit of edging there is left. I also prepaint the smaller upper decks & install them. 

 

  I let things dry for at least 24 hours before I use oil stain. It is worth it to get the good oderless mineral spirits from an art store. 

  I use a lot of various size wire to attach things like spars. & to strengthen anything. Use CA with the wire. 

   I have been painting my spars & sails before installation. I predrill the sails with a bit the size of my thread ( a little larger) . Then I put some Ca on the end of the thread to harden it & use the thread like a needle,to sew the sail to the spar. 

 By the way , before I glue the hull together I CA a piece of 1x2 or 1x1 shaped to the hull bottom. You have to pre glue the second half of the hull before joining them. 

 I use #6 phillips 2" to 2  1/2" screws to join a temporary base to the hull. On the small models you  miight drill thru the side of the keel, but that is covered by a brass tube or other brass support. I will go into that later.  Excuse any errors as I wrote this fast & I am not a typist. I always had someone do it for me.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 20, 2016 4:08 PM

Gene you have an excellent collection.

A suggestion. The method you use to attach your sails to the yards isn't accurate, and it stands out on a nice model.

Sails are tied to horizontal yards with individual lines, spaced along the top edge of the sail.

i don't know the term amongst Spanish sailors in the time of Columbus, but in later years the term is robands.

Rather than a running stitch, these are not hard at all to do once you get into the hang of it.

Just a suggestion.

Bill

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 20, 2016 4:20 PM

Steve, in addition to the method mentioned for BBs, USN front line ships like cruisers were set up to retrieve their scouts while underway. That was important, as cruisers functioned as heavily armed scout and first contact ships.

A boom was extended at the forward end of the ship, which trailed a cable that had a flat piece of open steel matting on the end of it, held open with a spreader. That deal was held to be at about midships, where the catapults, cranes and hangars were located.

The scout would land behind the ship and overtake her until he drove up onto the mat.

There was a whisker hook on the keel on the underside of the float, near its front end.The  pilot then killed the engine, the observer climbed up on the wing and attached the hook of the crane to an eye or short bridle, deck crew held lines attaché to the aircraft to keep it from swinging around, and up-you-go onto the deck.

The Italians did follow the practice of flying their scouts to shore, doctrine was that it was always nearby in the Med.

A really cool area of naval aviation.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 20, 2016 6:46 PM

Bill, I tried the right way once & it took a long time. Please tell me an easier way & thanks for the compliments. I have really had fun doing these small ships. I go crazy on one thing when I'm building. I did stay with HO trains & narrow guage & geared locos for about 40 years. I did do a lot of wood ships during that time tho.

  That was interesting about the cruisers. I remember when the Indianapolis was sunk & it scared us as we thought they had said the Indiana.  He did have a lot of Kamakazi's & 3 did hit them, but they didn't hurt a battleship much. The kam's did knock out one of their 4 props & they had to go back to Pearl to get it replaced. My brother did say he hit one with his 20mm as it was so close he could see the pilot. It crashed next to his ship. 

   Bill, I forgot to say I never had put sails on a ship. I always rigged them with no sails. They only had cloth sails for wood ships & I ddn't like them'

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 20, 2016 7:40 PM

GM, thanks for explaining all that, and so discriptively. I was able to get a great visual from that. That is really ingenious what they did and I am surprised that I have never seen footage of that on any of the documentaries that I have seen. That is really cool. Thanks!

Gene, thanks for all the tips and the offer to help. I will consider your thoughts and what you have suggested.

 

Thanks!

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 20, 2016 7:47 PM

 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 20, 2016 8:10 PM

GM, you sir, are a steely-eyed missile man. Leave it to you to find footage. Awesome!

Lol.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 20, 2016 10:28 PM

GM, That was really great. I guess my brother didn't have that kind of pickup.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:45 AM

He was a real flyer. Imagine being up there all alone looking for the Japanese fleet, cutting in and out of clouds, carrying that big old drag object along.

If you want, do pick up the Squadron float planes and seaplanes series.

I have my eyes on that Kitty Hawk 1/32 Kingfisher.

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/kh/build_kh_32016.shtml

But all my aircraft are 1/72. It's a plan to retain sanity in an insane world.

Holy cold sandwiches, great views and the good old days of getting a VW bug onto a freeway at 52 mph! If that doesn't make sense, I won't take it personally.

I would love to take on a South Dakota class, but it's something I have no business doing as there's a bunch of ships ahead, in the stash.

I hear you on the thing about learning that the CA-35 had been sunk.

 

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:00 AM

GM, Expand your horizons & get a 1/32. I got one last fall & built 18 of them in a row. Now I don't know what to do with them, they don't have glass or plastic cases to live in. I do have some beautiful interiors on them.

   I really like the 1/48 Revell as I built 2 of them. The single wing Kingfisher was the one that found Eddy Rickanbacker ? aftter 30 days in the ocean. He loaded them all inside & on the wing & taxied all the way to help. My mom worked for him when he built cars.

     If my posts sound funny at times, it's because I forget words. It's called old age.

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:57 AM

GM this is part of my 18 plane build.

 2 of the best new models were Revels new German built 1/32 planes & they were about the cheapest. The FW 190 with a beautiful motor.

 And the Spitfire.

They are both around $25 & make sure you get the new Spitfire kit.

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:08 AM

Gene,

I just have to say that I hope that I build models half as good as yours when I am 85! Kudos to you, sir!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:03 AM

Thank you Bill. It is surprising that you only get worse in a few things & that is trying to spray fine things like German camo. & rigging a ship. Any fine painting with a brush is hard too. 

 I am rigging the little Revell Mayflower now & it is turning out great. I finnaly learned to rig those glued thread ratlines & they look super if you get them straight & tight. I picked up an Airfix Wasa on ebay last night for $20.95 + shipping. It was in perfect shape too. It has the glued shroud/ Ratline's & that was the reason I got it. I am past doing ratlines. I did them on a bunch of big wood models, but that was years ago. The Wasa is the 1/144 big one.

  Since I built the Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria, I really love the small models. They build really nice. I wrapped the masts with thread & put brass tube inside the masts. That really helps. I did it on the Black Swan That has always been my dislike of plastic ships, but I think I have keeping the masts straight under control. I was used to being able to tighten rigging on a wood ship because they did not bend easy.

  Bill, thanks again.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, July 1, 2016 9:19 AM

I am starting to do the sails on the Revell Mayflower & it is rally a "cute" model. I guess it is allright to say that. I have the Airfix mayflower together & primed too. The detail on the Revell is nice, but I think the Airfix is a better size & might be a nicer kit. Here are some pics of my Mayflower to date & I still have a lot of work to do on it. I really like the shrouds & for me they are sure easier.

  I left off some of the red dash's on the white stripes as that gets too much for my old fingers. This little kit really has been a fun build. I also will go light on some final rigging after I put on the sails. G Morrison, I cheated on the sail tieing again, but I will try to do better on the next one. 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 1, 2016 3:11 PM

Greetings Gene. She looks really nice, sir! Its great to see a finished one. Big Smile

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, July 1, 2016 9:34 PM

  Thanks Steve, I wrote a long reply & lost it & am not going to try again now.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 1, 2016 9:41 PM

Gene, it grieves me to hear you are having so much trouble with this forum, and I regret not being able to read what you took the time to post. Maybe another time your can try again, when you are up to it. Or, shoot me an email. Maybe that will be easier for you.

Steve

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:42 AM

Steve, It is not really the Forum, it is me moving the mouse around while I am typing. I do have trouble finding things I want to read, but that again is me. I am not a computer genius.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:26 PM

Hi Gene. Either way, I am sorry to hear that. You always have interesting things to say...it is our loss. I hope that you have a wonderful 4th.

Steve

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 3:54 PM

Steve, a lot of what I wanted to say was in priming with white lacquer primer I can wash off any mistakes with acrylic colors/ Especially when you have a lot of colors. I always used to use MM clear gloss over  acrylic before I washed it.  I have even used Tempara water base paint for some lines & washing & coat it with Dullcote.

    I also drill a small wire thru the spars & masts & CA it in place. It stengthen's the mast a lot. I am going as simple as what looks ok on the Matflower.  The mayflower masts have a weak attachment on them. I have had to brush all the Mayflower & it looks as good as sprayed. I have not had peelig with the MM when it is primed with lacquer. I had trouble with it on bare plastic.

   I also have used the medium 15 or so second CA as it works better with a knot. The thin CA seems to stiffen up your thread more. I use a 1/2 toothpick with a thin wire in it to put on the glue. I do have to scrape them clean a lot. 

I am tieing some extra forward lines to hold the big sails forward. I am more interested in how the sails looks on these little models than correct rigging. It does give them a more realistic look. I have even had to use a thin wire to hold the sail out insted of thread.

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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:11 PM
Gene, Your Mayflower is impressive! I'm working on the same model for my grandson and am painting it in the Mayflower II's style. He likes it, so that is what counts. Have a happy 4th! Bill
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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:13 PM

Gene, there you go. You have provided some good tips. I knew that I was missing something good. Smile

There has been a lot of dialog recently regarding weathering techniques and I think that this is great! Maybe we won't follow each others processes verbatim, but there could be something in each of them that we can adapt to our own process. Sharing knowledge is a good thing.

That is a really good point about the spars! I remember building the kit when I was a kid and I had a heck of a time getting the spars to hold. I will do your wire fix when I get that far.

Thanks about the CA too.

I am looking forward to seeing what you do with your sails. 

Steve

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:21 PM

Bill, show us your Mayflower, I would sure like to see it. You have done some really nice ships. 

Steve, drill your spar's first before you glue them on & then drill & glue the mast later when you put it on. I didn't & it was much harder.  They are on an angle you know. I sprayed my sails first with a mix of deck tan , small, white ,more. desert yellow, light & then sprayed it after it dried with Raw Umber wash this time, & burnt Umber wash last set of sails. I gave it a real light spray of Umber.

   My fingers get real shaky some days. I just hold them down on the desk & away I go. I still want to build my Revell Nina, but first I am excited to do my Airfix Wasa. Look at the one he did on Brit Modeler, forget who, but what a beautiful job.

 Boy, I look at the ships the guys have built on this forum & it blows my mind. I love to see other peoples work. You & Bill show me yours, please.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:05 PM

Gene, I have nothing to show. The Mayflower that I am working on is my first ship, and I have a ways to go on it. Maybe Bill is willing to share his work though. I wish he would because I would like to see it as well! 

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, July 3, 2016 9:37 AM

Steve, I have been building models for 75 years & I still learn a lot from this forum. I prime my models with Dupli color lacquer primer. I like a light gray or white in some cases. They only make a dark gray now so I mx it 1/2 & 1/2 with white.

  If you prime with lacquer you can wipe off acrylic mistake with alcohol. Next time when I am finished with acrylic, I will put clear gloss on it. I can always dullcote what I want to.

 I have been oil washing with artists mineral spirits about 90% over non coated acrylic. I used to use gloss cote over my planes because I didn't want to get them dirty looking, just to fill in the lines. I am going to try some gloss over a ship before I wash it . My 2 favorites for hulls are, mostly, burnt Umber but Van *** Brown is good too. I have been using MM wood tan mostly for my decks, with a wash of burnt Umber. It looks different on a deck color & a hull color. I do use Tam. Deck Tan for gray.

  Thanks to David K , as he gave me some hull colors. They were Dark Tan & Earth Red in MM.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:54 PM

Gene, thanks for the additional information and clarification. Good stuff!

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, July 4, 2016 6:27 PM

I finished my Mayflower today & took some pictures with the sails on. I liked it & on these small ships I like the sails. I shorted it on rigging, but I couldn't get my hands in it anymore. I am ready fo the Wasa.

I have still got to put oak base's on all of them. My son is making them now for me.

 And a couple close up's of my Constitution when I could still rig. 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:33 AM

Greetings, Gene. All that I can say is that your Mayflower looks beautiful. I am amazed at your prolific model building. Nice job, sir!

Thank you so much for sharing your work!

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 3:42 PM

Thanks Steve, I have really had a lot of fun on these ships. It reminds me of when I was fired up on model railroads. I built 2 10'x18' fully detailed layouts. I built them in the garage in sections & moved them into the house, mountains & all.  They were at 2 different times.

   I started the Airfix Wasa today, but not before I lost the plans. My wife found them where I layed them in the Living Room on a riverboat. I really think the Revell Wasa is better but I got this one on ebay for $20.95 + shipping. It had the thread shroud lines & now that I know how to do them, they will be fine. I would never get the ratlines done with my fingers.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:20 PM

I'll second Steve's comments.  Your work is exquisite!

Bill

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:58 PM

both model's are beautiful gene , pity the table isn't blue the wave effect is great .

steve5

 

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, July 6, 2016 8:36 AM

Steve & Bill, Thanks a lot. I still have a lot of things I like to do, shoot, read, draw house plans, & right now build plastic ship kits. I don't want to get tied up with another wood ship kit. The plastic ones are fun & I can finish them. 

  I wonder if my wife would notice if the table turned blue. It would look good.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:39 PM

wive's never notice things like that gene , lol .

 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, July 8, 2016 10:18 PM

Steve & Steve,  I saw your Soliel Royal Yesterday & hadn't known you did that, beautiful. I want to get back & look at it from the start.

 I am on my Airfix Wasa & am into detail painting the hull already. It is really nicely detailed & is fun. I can't paint it like the original Britmodeler did , but I am using mostly gold. It is pretty. I am real happy with those old thread shroud/ ratline deals as I have learned to use them & is the only way I can do ratlines anymore. Airfix's old kits included them, but not anymore. Got to finish watching a movie now.     Gene

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 1:02 AM

really looking forward to seeing you do this kit . as I have never seen it done , I have done the revel 1/150 kit . it will be interesting to see the difference's , from what I have seen of your skill's , it should be beautiful .

steve

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 9, 2016 9:23 AM

There was a picture in our local paper about a replica of the Pinto touring Wisconsin now- in the St. Croix River.  It sure looked big for the Pinto- had five masts, square sails on three of the masts.  Anyone familiar with this replica?  What do you think of it?

 

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 9:24 AM

 Steve, I am anxious to see more of your ships. Have you seen Britmodelers Airfix Wasa ? He did a super paint job on all those little figures. I will do gold because they are so small. I did put a lot of color in it too.

    The red paint, I had to mix Red Brown with Tamiya red to get a duller red. Tamiya red does not cover good in brushing. I put a good coverage of white lacquer primer on the top part of the Wasa so I could use it as a finish. Then I painted all the yellow line & went in & brushed the red all over where needed. Yellow does cover good for touch up over the red.I use Tempara black in all the places where black was needed, 2 coats to cover. When it was dry I used a Q tip in water to wipe off any extra black Tempara. Then I hit the red, yellow & black with a mix of clear & dull coat. That seems to even out all the paints. 

  Tempara is great for a lot of places on a model, then wipe off any over age & seal with clear lacquer dull or gloss. I used it on submarine models for the drain holes etc.

   Where can I find your ship pictures Steve ? I wanted the Airfix kit over the Revell, which is a much better kit I an sure, because of the shroud/ratline rigging.I used them on my Mayflower & for the first time they worked great. You do have to play with them to get them tight.

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 9:33 AM

 Don, I saw pictures of the Pinta & it did have square sails & a lanteen rear sail. It was bigger, but not that big. I believe they had the Nina too. It was square rigged. For all the ships I have built & books I have on ships, I don't really know the terminology of ships. 

    My brother was a WW2 battleship sailor & he got right & left all screwed up He was great with Port & Starboard tho, except not many people know them.

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:16 PM

gene I just started a new thread my armada , as 1943mike has only just taught me how to post pictures , I didn't have any other build photo's ,I am not a natural like davidk , but I am improving with every build

steve5

 

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:50 PM

 Steve, this is my new Wasa, the Airfix one & I am getting ready to do the rigging including those pre made shrouds. They look like they will work nice. Here are my first pictures of it . The Airfix kits build up real nice. I have more work to finish on the gold painting. No way I could paint those little figures like the original was.

  I just put it on the oak base today . I have a bunch more now finished for my other Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria & Mayflower.

   I am now looking for the Airfix St Louis. I'll have to ask WarshipGuy. I really have enjoyed these little ship kits more than anything in a while. I love fighter planes to build because I was around a lot of the earlier planes & knew a lot of the great pilots. I like cars, especially Ferrari's . I saw all the early great drivers in them, Phil Hill Pedro Rodericues (?) & on & on. 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 17, 2016 6:03 PM

My gosh, Gene. That is absolutely gorgeous. I am envious of your talent. 

Signed, one of many Steve's on here. Geeked

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:34 PM

Thanks Steve, I did some things that worked out well. I primed it with several coats of white lacquer primer & used that for the top rails so I could wipe of any acrylic colors later.

 I sprayed the round light with Black & silver Tamiya lacquer & lightly brushed Tamiya clear blue acrylic over it & wiped it off the frames with alcohol Q tip. Then gold MM enamel. Worked good. I wanted black frames on the light, but didn't have any black lacquer left.

  I found it easy to clean up any yellow that had red on it as yellow covers better than red. 

 I drill the holes in my temporary & finish bases oversize to let me hold the ship straight up. I countersink the screw in the bottom. On small ships I just used polished brass tube for a support post & file a notch in the top for the keel with a small square file.  I already have a piece of wood in the hull to screw into. It glues in before I put the hull together. I block plane it to fit the hull & CA glued one side to 1/2 hull & then glue it as I put the hull together. Nuff for now. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 18, 2016 6:55 AM

Gene,

Beautifil work!  I will let you know if I can find the St. Louis.

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, July 18, 2016 7:34 AM

Thanks, Bill. Have you built any Airfix ship kits?  Revell has finer engraving, but Airfix does go together good.

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 18, 2016 7:38 AM

Gene,

I love those Airfix sailing ships and have been lobbying them for years to manufacture more of them.  The only thing that I don't like about them are those dummy cannons. I wish they would have included full gun decks. It just gets mildly tedious carving the gun ports out and scratch building decks and cannons. Other than that, They are nice kits.

I do have one extra Revenge if you would like it.

Bill

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 18, 2016 3:08 PM

Say, Gene. What brand of paint are you using for the gold pieces? It seems to give a really nice gilded look to it.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, July 18, 2016 3:52 PM

Steve, It is MM gold enamel. It is super & goes on & covers with one coat easily. I had a bottle for ages & read David K say it was what he used on the Swan. I just never had any thing to put it on until I started on these ships. I went out & got a new bottle. It is and does stay super glossy.

 

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, July 18, 2016 4:01 PM

Bill, thanks & let me see if I can find some pictures of the Revenge. It does look like the Golden Hind with all that triangle painting. I have the large Imai Hind & the small Revell one too. 

   The St Louis looks like it would be easier to paint. Painting has gotten to be a problem for me with cutting lines. My hands shake & I have to hold them down to the desk to do any close work. I will let you know if I want the Revenge. What other Airfix kits have you built & like. Right now simple is my middle name. Even the Wasa was fairly simple. I have only been on it less than 2 weeks.  The gold was easy with that MM gold enamel, it doesn't run hardly at all.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 18, 2016 4:06 PM

Hey Gene, thanks for the info. That is really good to know. I have a future project that may need some.

Thanks!

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 18, 2016 5:13 PM

Gene,

The Revenge really doesn't resemble the Golden Hind at all.  The model is based on the drawings by Baker, and is considered to be an English "race-built" galleon. And, I am not sure that she carried the Tudor color scheme throughout her life.  The model is in the same style as the Wasa, something that can be said of all Airfix sailing warships.  It looks like it would be a straightforward and easy build.  Anyway, just let me know.

I have built and enjoyed most of the Airfix sailing warships.  The only Airfix ships I haven't built are the Bounty, Cutty Sark, and Endeavor.

Bill

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:08 AM

gene

your painting talent is just superb , that ship is going to be sensational .

you said your skills have diminished , wow ,

steve5

 

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:59 AM

Bill, did you build the Airfix 180 th Victory ? Does your Revenge have the thread shrouds ? They are about the only way I will get ratlines on. Shrouds are ok for me,but ratlines, no.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:29 PM

Gene,

Yes, I have built the Victory, and the Revenge does have those thread shrouds.  Both are excellent kits!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:10 PM

Bill, I forgot to ask how much is the Revenge & what other Airfix big sailing ships do you have that you will sell? I think the thread shrouds are a reason to buy the Airfix. I had real good luck on the mayflower with the shrouds. 

 What kits did you like best in the old sailing ships? How about some pictures of your ships here, I know everyone here would like to see them. There are really a great bunch of guys on this site. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:22 PM

Gene,

I have been on  this site since around 2006.  The guys here are great! But, some have moved on to other things.  I miss them.

Anyway, I will be happy to give the kit to you.  I don't need the money and I have an extra kit that I will not build.  I have built the Prince, Royal Sovereign, Victory, Wasa, St. Louis (decades ago!), Golden Hind, and, I believe, the Discovery. The ones I haven't built are the Cutty Sark, HMAV Bounty, and HMS Endeavor.

The reason that I haven't posted photos is that I do not have a digital camera.  I suppose that I should get one.

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:25 PM

Bill, I couldn't send these over the PM so here are 2 of the Bentley.

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:38 PM

Well, Steve's & Bill, I went crazy or I better stay off ebay. Bill(warshipguy) gave me an Airfix Revenge & the next day I saw a 1/180 Airfix Victory from the seller I got my Wasa from, for $26.95 & got that coming. I had been watching the only Prince I have ever seen on ebay. It was open box, but looked like it was all there. It was Airfix too & I ended up winning it for $26.50 shipped. 

   At going on 86 I didn't want to get a stash of kits, but now I've got to make at least 87 or build even faster than i have been.

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:24 AM

Gene,

I am sure that you will do each of them justice!  Good luck!

Bill

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:50 AM

That sounds like a great plan, Gene.  I echo what Bill said! 

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:17 AM

Thank you guys, but you might have to help me get to 100. It took me 40 years on my train layouts. That's why I don't do trains or wood ships anymore. Don't laugh, my great grandmother grew up in the civil war & I grew up hearing about it first hand. She lived untill 105. She went from Lincoln to Eisenhower.

   She was a Rebel in Nashville, & saw the battle there.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 24, 2016 11:57 AM

Gene, that is incredible. Your great grandmother must have had some incredible stories. I wish that I could have heard them. To think that she was alive when Lincoln was around. That is mind boggling!

I'd love to hear any stories that she shared with you.

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, July 24, 2016 2:46 PM

I second what steve said , but look on the bright side gene , look at all the models your going to build . steve5

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 25, 2016 4:07 PM

Gene,

Congratulations on finding the Prince! I am still looking fofr the St. Louis but still haven't found one yet.  And, I got your letter today.  Thank you!  So, whuch one are you going to build first?

Also, I was thrilled to see your USS Constitution built from the Mamoli kit. Do you know which period that that model represents?  I am just curious.

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, July 25, 2016 5:02 PM

Hu Bill, I don't know which one i will build first. Right now it might be the Prince. I do love that gold paint. I was looking at the back of the Victory that came to day & thought that I would paint that whole rear MM brass & then use Tempera dark blue over the windows & Tempera black on all the black sections. When it is dry I will lightly wipe all the parts i want brass with a wet Q tip inclufing the divided lites on the windows. Then seal the Tempera with MM gloss & dull lacquer mix. Then I will top a lot with MM gold enamel. That is the cowards way out of all that cutting with black or gold.

  I don't know what period the Constitution is. I was on it back in 1949 or 50 when I was stationed up at Otis AFB. I am not great on a lot of details on time periods, maybe on early airplanes. I do love history & it is such a shame, criminal, that kids aren't taught it anymore. My son in law is a proffesor at W. Carolina & he really thinks it is really bad. 

    I really liked the Mamoli kits better than any wood kits that i built. Their rigging diagrams were the best. I read where some guys on this forum didn't like them but I built  at least 4 of them The material was way better than others.  I built the Constitution in 1983 & the rigging is still perfect. I gave my daughter the Golden Hind.

 I was going to build the Revenge next, but all that gold is tempting me.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, July 29, 2016 4:52 PM

I took some early pictures of my Wasa with sails. I still have a lot of rigging to do. I am leaving off a lot of the interior rigging. Here are the pictures.

I painted my sails a little darker & used some brushed raw umber in the recesses. On my flags I have been gluing them with Arleens glue. Not her fabric glue/ When i trim them again I brush paint the edges of the flag in the color needed & then I dullcote them. I Ca glue them & tie them both. 

    I got my Airfix Prince today & it is nice, but not as nice as the older ones. The sails  & flags are not near as good . I am looking forward to all that gold. I intend to prime with white lacquer & use MM brass as a prime cote for the stern & use Tempera black & blue, for the windows . I will wpie the Tempera off on all gold areas & seal with dullcote & then finish with MM gold enamel on selected carvings.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 29, 2016 9:59 PM

just beautiful gene , I for one don't care which ship you do next , I just love watching your build's

steve5

 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, July 29, 2016 10:23 PM

Steve,  I just now found your riverboat site. I have a ton of info on them as I have built alot of them including your Robt. E Lee. Let me know if I can help.

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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:58 AM

Gene,

Excellent job on the Wasa!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:42 AM

Thanks Bill. I did notice the old Airfix seem better than the newer ones. I think my Prince is pretty new, 1990's I guess.  The castings seem good tho, but some dimples in hard to fix areas. The shrouds on my Wasa got too heavy in the top ones, but they all were some heavy. Looked like someone sat on them.

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