looking for iowa class 16" gun model.

Perhaps this video will help our Professor Emeritus

Hi Proff. Or is that title no longer valid ?

      I can imagine your confusion . Even in a 5" .38 caliber multi-purpose gun it is confusing. The powder lifts and shell lifts allow a lot of that movement while trained in a direction other than dead ahead .

     It was a tight place at best and not a place you would want to drop a shell . I have had to flood a magazine just in case, in a collision situation . Not fun the clean up afterwards .  T.B.

Donanton ;

   Do you want a Turret model  ? or the whole thing , right down to the powder rooms ? If so You should be able to get some information from  Naval Institute Press .  T.B.

Don Stauffer

Google searches. It used to be their scores were heavily weighted

Part of that is that Google tracks every inquiry "your" IP address makes, and retains that search data.  That dat then "informs" the answers you get back.  If you have an old enough computer, that search filter can be quite annoying as it blocks info it "thinks" you are not interested in (from previous searches).

This is diluting a bit as people additional devices--tablets, laptops, smartphones, etc.

But, it can be quite illuminating to put the same search in fifferent devices and note what is given back.

jtilley

Incidentally, what's a "meme"?

It's an idea or cultural referent, often humorous which is dissiminated over "magmetic" media.  Once established, they are subject to variations upon the base theme.

Nowafays, thiey are expressed as a single graphiv image, or a short sequence of images.  The images are then caaptioned for the intent of the meme.

A photo of Patrick Stewart as Captain Piccard on Star Trek Next Generation with his head in is hand is juxtapoxed with any number of headdesk moments (and, yes, "headdesk" is also a meme, a convenient shorthand for things which make a person want to smack their noggin into unyielding objects).

The thing is way too big for that, however you would have luck with the breeches etc.

And of course stuff like the shells- perfect.

I am guessing the barbette is about 12" in diameter. Look for a can that size, or a section of heater duct.

http://dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a183947.pdf

More info here.

And looks to be .33 bore, so all the shells, powder bags, etc can be seen and worked without a 10 power magnifier.  If the OP goes to build this, I hope he does a progress thread here, would be awesome.

A little quick math. 16" fifty caliber would be 800" muzzle to face of breech. Or 66'-8".At 1/48 scale that would be 16.66 inches long.

That would be a great scale to use. You can get absolutely limitless stuff, figures, handwheels, tools you name it.

If I were to try something like this, I would start by building it as accurately as possible with paper and cardboard, tape and glue. Then break it down into its components and sort of replace them one by one.

Great rescource. Thanks for posting.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH I just started strolling around this page and it might be just what I need. Thanks again!

16" gun book

http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/ENGINEERING/OP769.html

http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-7-E.html

And then there's the fire-control system.

Note in the above- 77 men in the turret, plus the powder bag guys.

In the OP's original diagram, there's an indication of the partition between each gun room, cut away a little bit.

I remember somewhere reading that when firing in salvos, at least of the triple gun turret set ups like BB-39 had, as opposed to the three gun turret that the Iowas had, there was a need to stagger the gun firing to avoid having the projectiles run into each other in flight.

I'm pretty clear on what goes on inside the turret itself (the big pincers that pick up the shells and powder bags, the rammers, etc.). What defeats me is what goes on in the barbette and the surrounding compartments.

How on earth do those heavy shells and powder bags get from the magazines into the barbette, which is turning with the turret, and up to the guns? There's a complex movement of huge mechanical parts that make it possible not only for all that to happen, but for it to happen fast. It's fairly easy to understand how it all happens when the guns are pointed dead ahead, but when the turrets rotate onto a different bearing, just what happens so they can be loaded repeatedly without swinging back to their original positions?

Like I said, I can stare at a two-dimensional drawing till I'm blue in the face (the drawings John Roberts did for the Anatomy of the Ship series are outstanding), but to really understand the mechanism I'd need a cutaway, 3D scale model with moving parts.

That would be a real challenge to build.

Donanton

I dont mean to e snarky either but I tried that "16" Mark 7 gun" search on google images and I got lots of pictures of barrels, some railway guns, then it turns into anti-NRA memes.

 

I used to love Google searches. It used to be their scores were heavily weighted to .AND. logic.  No more. I guess that left out too many of their advertisers.  Now, it seems to be primarily .OR. logic  :-(  Adding words just makes it worse!

JTilley

If you want an idea of how firing a 16" gun worked take a look at You Tube. There is a Navy training film showing the crew how to load and fire the gun. Probably not much help in trying to build a model but at least you will know how to fire one.

Amphib

If I understand the OP correctly, what you're talking about is a model of the turret, the barbette (the parts underneath the turret that rotate with it), and portions of the decks surrounding the barbette. That's a tall order. I think I vaguely remember seeing a photo of a museum display piece showing cutaways of a British turret and barbette many years ago. But I've never seen or heard of a kit to build such a model.

The nearest thing that comes to mind is the new version of the Tamiya 1/350Yamato, which, I believe, features an 18" turret with a removable roof and some simplified parts to represent the barbette below. That kit costs over $300. Here's a link: http://freetimehobbies.com/1-350-tamiya-japanese-yamato-battleships-all-new-tooling/ .  The photo shows the "plugin" turret in the foreground.

A working model of a turret and barbette would be fascinating and useful. I've looked at quite a few drawings of such things (the Anatomy of the Ship series has plenty of them), but I have to admit that figuring out how those complicated pieces of machinery worked on the basis of a drawing is beyond me. (Come to think of it - I've been inside the turrets and barbettes of two battleships - the North Carolina and Massachusetts - and I couldn't get an inkling of how the mechanisms worked without seeing the parts in motion.) But such a kit would have to be priced way beyond my means.

Incidentally, what's a "meme"?

Not to sound snarky, but I found top views, side views and end views in just a couple minutes online.

Try 16" Mark 7 gun and see what you get.

IMO this would be a really big project, depending on the level of detail. And it'd take probably 1000 hours and about $ 5,000.00.

I know you are looking for a kit. It doesn't look to me like that exists.

Of course if someone DID want to scratchbuild this, it really would want to be motorized...

As was mentioned, there are some really fantastic railway gun kits out.

I was originally looking for a scale model of the turret and supporting structure as seen in the first pictue I posted. 

I googled and googled and havent been able to find a non-isometric view of it.

Where would I find these pictures that theres apparently lots of?

Thanks

Okay, I guess the OP meant a large scale kit of the gun, as a model itself, not an upgrade detail for a complete battleship model, right? 

I know there are kits of older muzzle loading ship's guns, but have never seen one of a 20th century ship's gun.  Since there are some nice 1:35 artillery pieces, maybe for that scale, and one of those companies, could be talked into such a product.

CapnMac

Do you suppose that the "experts" at Buord have classified the details of a 16" turret because they think the 16" gun might come back someday?

Amphib

Like Don, I have seen pictures of them, not adds though.

I'm just seeing if they exist at this point

What scale?  I do remember seeing ads for resin turrets for Iowa battleships in 1:350.  Saw them in a Squadron flyer some time ago.