1/144 scale HMCS Snowberry

Aha !

 Considering her roots , It would be the best $56.00 you spent , If you are really into ships that is !    T.B.

  E-bay offers the HMCS SNOWBERRY kits from $40 to 45.95 range, even one for $39.95.

Best to shop around for a good bargan.   Crackers  

I just bought my own copy of 'The Cruel Sea' on DVD.

For those who want to build the 1/72 version by Revell, here is an example by Patrick Chung. Really impressive model for those who like the FLOWER Class British corvette.

Happy modeling      Crackers  

This has been on my list. Another water scene.

Ah Yes ;

   Now the reason I like the Corvettes is apparent here . Lot's of detail right out of the box . Plus , If you want , in 1/72 it is awesome operating in R.C. and doing  real nice , eye catching maneuvers .

  This vessel , even with all it's detail , if built right , will completely weather any real world event , even a ski boat's wake from twenty feet . ( yes , Like anything , it does have limits ) .

So here is the question for RC boaters.

Does scale float?

It sure doesn't fly.

I know that a floating model takes very considerable ballast to sit down in the water.

But as far as dynamic motion, I would not think that a scale hull shape would recover from rolling, sail straight or turn anything like the real thing.

How big is this 144th kit?

According to the box figures, right at 17 5/8 inches

I went back to the hobby store today to take another look at the kit.  I think if its still there come payday I may have to go ahead and make a purchase (and just scrimp a bit on lunch for a few weeks ).

After looking at eBay I noticed that with shipping the cheapest versions come out in about $51-53 dollars anyway, with some being much more expensive, so I think I'll just go ahead and support my local store anyway.

In addition, looking at the detail in the kit (from the photos on the package and other photos on the internet) I'm really tempted (if I buy the kit) to try and build it pretty much straight out of the box too.

GMorrison

So here is the question for RC boaters.

Does scale float?

It sure doesn't fly.

I know that a floating model takes very considerable ballast to sit down in the water.

But as far as dynamic motion, I would not think that a scale hull shape would recover from rolling, sail straight or turn anything like the real thing.

Hi,

I think from the attached link that "time" related stuff scales by a factor of the square root if the scale factor (see page 21 in the attached link http://www.ivt.ntnu.no/imt/courses/tmr7/lecture/Scaling_Laws.pdf )

Regards

Pat

Just over a foot and a half ... that's doable size-wise ... but $57 ......... WOW!

GMorrison

So here is the question for RC boaters.

Does scale float?

It sure doesn't fly.

I know that a floating model takes very considerable ballast to sit down in the water.

But as far as dynamic motion, I would not think that a scale hull shape would recover from rolling, sail straight or turn anything like the real thing.

 

Scale does "float' unless you get too small in scale.  As you go smaller the weight of the plastic parts uses a larger percentage of the total displacement (what the model weighs to float at the waterline.)

The displacement of a model is a cube of the scale-- so a 1/144 scale model will displace 1/(144*144*144), or 1/2,985,984 of the original.   So the real ship displaces 1,036 short tons, which at 2000 pounds per ton, is a little over 2 million pounds.  Divide that by the 144 cubed number, and you get a model that will displace about .7 pounds, or 11+ ounces in 1/144 scale.

A 1/72 scale model of the same ship displaces 5.5 pounds.  Why the big difference?  Because when you double the scale, the volume of the model goes up by a factor of eight.  (twice as long, twice as wide, and twice as high)

Plastic models can make great RC conversions.  The 1/72 Corvette is 33 inches long, and displaces 5.5 pounds when floating at the scale waterline.  The kit parts weigh nowhere near that much, so you have lots of weight allowance to spend on motors, batteries and RC gear.   My Matchbox Corvette had a big battery in the bilge, and still needed almost 2.5 pounds in ballast.  All that weight so low in the hull made the model incredibly stable.  

I'm converted smaller models with no problem.  Hull shape is important here.  The Lindberg Nantucket is a great model-- even at 1/95 scale, that tubby hull still displaces almost 2 pounds, and it is about 18 inches long.   The Lindberg Diesel tug, at 13.5 inches LOA, also makes a great running model, though it will look less toylike and "tippy" if you replace some of the very heavy cabin parts with thinner sheet styrene, to cut down on topside weight.    But  14 inch long warship is very difficult- the hull is maybe one fouth the beam of the tug hull. 

Hi " G "

 Well , no Scale does Not float , but miniature boats do .

    As far as ballast , a 1/72 scale Corvette ( H.M.C.S.Snowberry ) Will float at designed war-fit hull depth .

     As to the last part .There do have to be changes made to achieve operating parameters close to realistic .On the Snowberry I had to use an oversize rudder and screw ( a tugboat screw .)

    The whole thing is to present as realistic appearing performance as possible for the size . Now they do roll with a greater moment of roll and they pitch sharply too .

The trick is to make things appear real .Freeing ports , oversize underwater parts and a good motorcycle battery ( 12 volt ) for both power and ballast .  T.B.

Hello there !

 You need to contact the Museum up in Canada .I believe that's where she is at . T.B.

Snowberry was scrapped in 1947.

Thiis actually is a great hull to model a ship from dozens of countries, Israel as an example.

There were 225, the one remaining is Sackville in Halifax.

PTConsultingNHR

Hi Guys, Hey ... I am getting the REVELL 1:144 HMCS SNOWBERRY from SQUADRON for $27.59 (using my 40% Author's discount). Could anyone here knows RCN/RN/RAN/RNZN ships tell me what the SNOWBERRY had for her armament package like in late-1943, 1944, 1945? And what camou scheme she wore in that time-frame, please? Thank you, Tim

 

Sorry " G "

  I was thinking it was the " Snowberry " I forgot it was the "Sackville", My Bad ! T.B.

All of the Flower class corvettes were hard used on WWII convoy duty, and by all users.  The convoys were long, and went into far northern climes where the ice had to be smashed off with axe and sledge, and to Davey Jones if it took the paint with it. There was very little turn-around time--where an ordinary ship would refit and repaint.

Which lets a person really go to town with rust and weathering effects.

They can be painted in ways that look very much like a scrapped buoy tender might.

I seem to remember that in the movie, the Compass Rose was portrayed with a Greek ship.

Former HMS Coreopsis, then RHS Kriezis.

Once I get moved, I may have to pick this model up.

For those interested in building the Snowberrry (as I am) Eduard has come out with 3 PE sets armament, superstructure and railings. They are not cheap though! Each about $45!

HMC SNOWBERRY

http://www.naval-museum.mb.ca/snowberry/

official website fo the ship

GMorrison

So here is the question for RC boaters.

Does scale float?

It sure doesn't fly.

I know that a floating model takes very considerable ballast to sit down in the water.

But as far as dynamic motion, I would not think that a scale hull shape would recover from rolling, sail straight or turn anything like the real thing.

 

I would assume the hull sections would be accurate enough that the center of bouyancy would be somewhat close to the scale position.  The center of gravity built as per plans would certainly not be.  However, I would assume that anyone building a scale plastic ship model would be intending to install either motor and batteries, or that stuff plus RC gear.  One then would be installing mechinry and electronics.  The proper placement of these means the CG is under the builder's control.  Also, a model that size has a lot of room for ballast, using modern batteries and RC gear, giving even more room to add and adjust location of the CG.  Plastic models are not very dense, so a lot of ballast is usually required to get them to float at scale waterline.

The model measures about so.

Waterline length 16 inches.

Waterline beam 2.5 inches.

Draft 1 inch.

Thats a rectangular prism of 40 cubic inches. A factor of 60% gives a displacement of 24 cubic inches. 

The unit weight of water is 0.036 pounds/ cubic inch. That results in a weight of 0.86 pounds, or about 14 ounces. The model itself doesn't weigh much.

I would guess that, since the ship wasn't armored, the heavy objects are the fuel bunkers and the engine. 

Those wer located pretty much amidships. Stuff like the gun and the depth charges balance, and the crew is spread around.

My question has to do with manuevering, roll and steering.

I have played with pond sailers over the years, and best results are to have deep false keels with counter weights at the bottom. Even the Revell America comes with a plastic one.

I've seen a few rc planes that fly in a realistic fashion, usually bigger ones, but the smaller ones fly like a bat on speed. I assume they do that to get the lift they need.