Zvezda HMS Revenge vs Lindberg Revenge

In this particular case , the model is of Gray's ship "Secret" in the story "Scarlet Sails" written by Alexander Grin. I did find a translation where the "Secret" is described as a galleon.

In the illustration on the box, Gray sails to the mythical town and is reunited with his love, Assol.

In the novella, Captain Gray buys 2,000 meters of "carmine" or "crimson" silk to fashion sails for the "Secret".

There's a yearly "tall ships" type of festival in Saint Petersburg known as crimson sails.

Hi DON ;

  You are close on this . It was a Tannin /Grease type preservative .The Tannin did indeed give the sails a reddish tint . Now a lot of " Salties " were preserved with , Believe it or not ,  "Sheeps Fat " rubbed into the canvas or a light wash of the same stuff they used to grease the masts .

I found that a number of Great Lakes sailing vessels used reddish sails, and checked into this.  Turns out they soaked the sails in something as a preservative- I think it was a form of tannin or something similar.  While hull protection of GL vessels is much different from salties, I would think sails make no difference freshwater vs salt, so maybe there was a preservative like that that some people used, making the sails red.  Now the pictures of the GL vessels I saw were B&W photos, so you couldn't really see the color- may have been very brownish, but was referred to as red.

"Scarlet Sails" was a romance novel popular in Russia in the 20's and was later a movie. It's probably worth finding as it was filmed in Crimea in the 60's.

There's an IMDB review of that one. From the date of the book, the movie and it's loc ation, I don't think there's much reason to assume it was a galleon. In the movie, the training ship Alfa from Rostov was used, and according to IMDB the sails were made of red parachute silk.

warshipguy

The Airfix model has no figurehead, just a beakhead ending with a flat top side with one scroll on the downward side forward. It is interesting in that the artwork on the box cover shows a winged something as a figurehead, but it is not represented in the kit.

Bill

 

Yes strange.   The Lindberg Revenge has a scroll type ending and the Zvezda one has the wings.   Maybe Zvezda looked at the Airfix box art?

Interestingly Zvezda haven't released any more Armada ships (except for the Golden Hind which is tiny and the San Martin) for their game though they've done the Santa Maria and it looks like they're releasing the Revenge as another ship with red sails.   It's got some bizarre box art with a woman at the shore, the ship in the background and some man in the water.  What it's supposed to be I don't know.  If I can find the picture I'll post it here.

The Airfix model has no figurehead, just a beakhead ending with a flat top side with one scroll on the downward side forward. It is interesting in that the artwork on the box cover shows a winged something as a figurehead, but it is not represented in the kit.

Bill

GMorrison

Neat illustration. No idea how accurate it is.

 

Cheers for that and agree it's a very nice illustration.   A possibilty though it's obviously a bit different to the Revenge.

One problem is I've stuck all the Revenge decals on the Zvezda kit and I don't really want to paint over them, and they're molded on the Lindberg kit.

Bill,

That is a nice illustration indeed!  I believe that I'll check the old Airfix kit against it to see how it compares.

Bill

Neat illustration. No idea how accurate it is.

warshipguy

I know of no plans for the Revenge.  However, Victory Models by Amati has a large scale wood kit of the ship that you might find interesting.  It is reputed to be an excellent model.

Bill

 

Thanks I'll have a look.  The main difference in detail between the 2 kits is the figurehead.  Well when I say figurehead it's not a figure.  On the Zvezda kit there's like a pair of wings and on the Pyro kit there's just a curved piece.  Plus the Pyro kit has those curved pieces attached to the rear middle deck extension.

I know of no plans for the Revenge.  However, Victory Models by Amati has a large scale wood kit of the ship that you might find interesting.  It is reputed to be an excellent model.

Bill

warshipguy

Aren't the kits based on the drawings by Matthew Baker?  Unfortunately, there are no records of the details for this ship.  All we have is Baker's starboard side profile of a race built galleon the is generally accepted to be the Revenge. There might be a sail plan, but I have never seen it.  My advice is to go with the model that looks best to you.

Bill Morrison 

 

Probably.   I suppose that sums it up really but I was wondering if anyone knew if there was maybe plans or writing somewhere that told of different figureheads/ carvings etc as the figureheads and carvings on the 2 models are different.  That's the main difference between the 2 models.

GMorrison

I have no idea which is more accurate, but the Pyro kit is probably pretty good. You say they are about the same size? Do you mean the real subject? Because aren't the models vastly different?

Another ship might be Raleigh's Ark Royal. It's not really close, but in general the same sort of ship and layout.

 

Yes it has been talked about on here before and the consensus was that it was one of the better Pyro kits.   When I say the same size I mean the 2 kits are around the same size ....well the Pyro/Lindberg kit is noticably bigger anyway but still similar.  The Zvezda kit's supposed to be 1/350 so maybe the Lindberg kit is 1/300.

As for the Ark Royal well I'm building the old Pyro kit of that (i've been building it on and off for years so I'd prefer another ship to the Ark Royal even though the old Pyro kit's in all likelyhood very inaccurate).  Mind you I wouldn't object to a new Ark Royal from Zvezda in the same scale.

Aren't the kits based on the drawings by Matthew Baker?  Unfortunately, there are no records of the details for this ship.  All we have is Baker's starboard side profile of a race built galleon the is generally accepted to be the Revenge. There might be a sail plan, but I have never seen it.  My advice is to go with the model that looks best to you.

Bill Morrison 

I have no idea which is more accurate, but the Pyro kit is probably pretty good. You say they are about the same size? Do you mean the real subject? Because aren't the models vastly different?

Another ship might be Raleigh's Ark Royal. It's not really close, but in general the same sort of ship and layout.