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  • Member since
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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Tamiya paint disaster
Posted by Robert on Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:57 PM

Just tried to brush paint my Revell CSS Alabama deck with Tamiya deck tan. The pain dries in less than 30 seconds creating an horrendous mess as I keep brushing. Had to use oven cleaner to get it all off. Is this stuff water based? It seems I can clean the brush with water, don't need turps. 

  • Member since
    August, 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:07 PM

Round bottle (acrylic) or rectangular bottle (enamel) as we have both in Australia?

The acrylic is difficult to brush cleanly, as it tends to lift previously applied, semi-dry paint. If brush painting, add one part X-20A thinner to three parts paint. It'll lay down a lot smoother, but avoid brushing over previously applied paint as it will rip it up in huge ugly lumps. Always work to a wet edge, don't overpaint.

The acrylic paint does contain water, but it's more alcohol based. It can be thinned to a slight degree with water, but works better with the X-20A thinner. 

If you want to remove dried acrylic paint, you don't need anything as harsh as oven cleaner. Metho will clean it up easily.

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Posted by retdfeuerwehr on Sunday, April 15, 2018 12:38 AM
Tamiya acrylics are notoriously difficult to brush paint...priming helps, but unprimed plastic is asking for trouble - Humbrol enamels brush well; not sure about their acrylics.
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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Robert on Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:42 AM

Used the round bottle stuff, never again. What you describe is exactly what happened, many thanks for your advice. Back to Humbrol or Model Master.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:41 AM

I had the same problem with Tamiya "Smoke". Overbrushing caused a huge mess.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:04 AM

The paint is not water based.

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, April 16, 2018 6:02 AM

Aha !

Now I can say ." You see why I don't like Tamiya Acrylics "? I have used many paints over these long years and as to brushability , Tamiya is the absolute worst ! 

 They seem to assume everyone owns an airbrush ! When in the past I used acrylics I use one of the best I ever found for brushing . Polly - S ! 

 Left NO brushmarks either - Right out of the Bottle !

 

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Monday, April 16, 2018 6:34 AM

Tanker - Builder
Left NO brushmarks either - Right out of the Bottle !

Tamiya acrylics from the first few batches were like that too, from 1982-ish up to about '85. They dried a bit slower, self-levelled beautifully (brush marks just disappeared) and didn't pull-up. Then the formula changed (different OEM?) and we've been stuck with the present one ever since.

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  • From: ohio I want to leave
Posted by armor 2.0 on Monday, April 16, 2018 7:42 AM

Where I first started modeling again about a year ago I used tamiya acrylic and I fought with them for quite awhile now I have no problems at all brush painting them.l don' own a air brush and never will .I use x20a and a self leveling thinner.Never have a problem.

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    July, 2014
  • From: Meridian, ID
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, April 16, 2018 10:08 AM

Use Vallejo (not model air). They brush beautifully.

Steve

ON THE BENCH

1/35 Hobby Boss Fieseler Storch
1/72 Hasegawa Nell
1/48 Tamiya Swordfish

In Que

1/350 Tamiya Prince of Wales
1/700 Tamiya King George V
1/72 Academy FW-190 A

 

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  • From: Wyoming Michigan
Posted by ejhammer on Monday, April 16, 2018 10:12 AM
I second Vallejo model color series for brushing. Model Air + a bit of airbrush flow improver for spraying. That said, I still use White Ensign enamels on my ships.

Completed - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 16, 2018 3:07 PM

armor 2.0

Where I first started modeling again about a year ago I used tamiya acrylic and I fought with them for quite awhile now I have no problems at all brush painting them.l don' own a air brush and never will .I use x20a and a self leveling thinner.Never have a problem.

 

thats a valuable skill.

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  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:18 PM

Tamiya acrylic  paint will roll up when brush painting.  It's not meant to be brush painted on any sizable surface.

I used Testors Model Master "US marine sand" or MM "Sand" enamel on the deck of my CSS Alabama.

Humbrol  enamel is the best brush paint.  It's why the people who do noting but figures use it.

The Testors enamel should be avialable and work well for you.

 

 

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    April, 2018
  • From: Australia
Posted by Panzer Joe on Thursday, April 19, 2018 11:48 PM

Lots of opinions lol. What works best with Vallejo model air? Or is it best sprayed out of the bottle?

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  • From: Meridian, ID
Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, April 20, 2018 8:23 AM

Model Air is best sprayed but it can be brushed with varying success. It's better than Tamiya.

Steve

ON THE BENCH

1/35 Hobby Boss Fieseler Storch
1/72 Hasegawa Nell
1/48 Tamiya Swordfish

In Que

1/350 Tamiya Prince of Wales
1/700 Tamiya King George V
1/72 Academy FW-190 A

 

  • Member since
    May, 2008
  • From: Wyoming Michigan
Posted by ejhammer on Friday, April 20, 2018 8:39 AM

Model Air series is specifically formulated for airbrushing, although I usually add a bit of Airbrush flow improver #71.562 to it. Model Color series is for brushing. I add a drop or two of Retarder # 70.597 to a puddle of paint giving it just a bit more "open" time. I always use the same brand thinners and stuff for the brand I'm using. A couple times I've used generic thinners, and regretted it. I like Vallejo stuff. That said, I still spray military ships using White Ensign enamels, the color call-outs are spot on and they both brush and spray beautifully.

Completed - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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