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How do you rig the Heller Soleil Royal

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  • Member since
    June, 2011
  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
How do you rig the Heller Soleil Royal
Posted by Mark Carroll on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:21 PM

I would really appreciate those of you who have completed the SR with sails to PM me and send me through email 10 to 12 up close pictures of how you rigged this ship.I have both the  English and French versions of instructions and am surprised as to how much they differ. The pictures are just not clear as to what line goes where. I'm able to figure out about 75% of it.  I even have books on 18th century  sailing ships and how they are rigged but parts are still unclear. Ive looked at several pictures on line but very few have closeups or are blurred.When this ship is done I will put pictures on here along with rigging closeups so whoever wants to build this beautiful ship will have  something to build by.  I know some of you have built this ship but am not sure who has built it with sails. Thanks for your help.Mark 

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    July, 2013
Posted by steve5 on Thursday, May 10, 2018 1:44 AM

this is a beautiful model mark , [was going to post some of mine , but they wiped out , unfortunately] , but this should give you a lot of help .

http://www.wettringer-modellbauforum.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=28043&pageNo=7&s=8951e35647c9c98c3f0c735e1537cb4666e9e5b9

 

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  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:29 AM

Hi Steve, thanks for responding! Unless I'm looking at this link wrong that you sent,I can't find anything on here about rigging an SR with sails that have close up pictures. I'll keep searching.Too bad your pictures were trashed I would have loved to see them!

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    July, 2014
  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:59 PM

Hi Mark,

  I have the Kit but have not started it. My suggestion is to make sure you have

The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast, by R.C. Anderson  available.

"Anyone building the SR will need this book."

The Heller Instructions for rigging are not very good.

 

     The wettringer-modellbauforum Web site link mentioned earlier is for the fantastic German modelship site with terrific pictures that include photo's of rigging. There are a lot of pages to go thru and it is in German so Google translate will be needed. Note that the Translation will be poor, the pictures tell the whole story.

    Nino

 

I will PM you on my personal suggestion.

   Nino

 

  • Member since
    June, 2011
  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:46 PM

Thanks Nino,I do have that book along with others. It's funny,these two instructions I have are so different in comparison. The Anderson book I guess tells you the right way to do it with this period of ship but it generalizes with options. I still would like to know where each lines goes according to the layout of THIS ship pertaining to belaying pins and tie offs specifically and it's unclear on pictures on line and in these instructions they give you. Lot of guessing. I wish the instructions were as good as The Revell Constitution. The most precise I've ever seen( I have this one waiting to be put together plus the Victory). The Victory instructions are not any better than the SR's.

 

 

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    July, 2006
Posted by Michael D. on Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:02 PM

Hi Mark,

 

I'd be willing to help you help on this as I rigged mine under full sail. Actually I found the SR instructions quite easy and fairly acurate for the most part and used Andersons book for areas that were somewhat vague or completley wrong. I can post up an overall pic or send you one via email to see if what I have done is to your liking?.

 

Michael D.

  • Member since
    July, 2013
Posted by steve5 on Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:39 PM

Mark , if you look at either the very top or very bottom of the page , you will see it is only page 7 of a 25 page build .  He goes into great detail on how to make and fix the sails . I found it very informative

 

  • Member since
    June, 2011
  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, May 11, 2018 8:29 AM

Hi Steve,Yes I figured it out,very informative and a great build. It is a big help!

  • Member since
    July, 2014
  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Friday, May 11, 2018 3:51 PM

Mark,

   I have quite a collection of links and photo's of Soleil Royal models. In reviewing my data I missed a really good one and neglected to include the link. It has some very high resolution pictures of a 1/77 scale wood model.  The Pics of rigging are great, you can count the threads.

 LINK: http://www.modelships.de/Soleil_Royal/Soleil_Royal_I_eng.htm

Sample Picture:  http://www.modelships.de/Soleil_Royal/dDSC00364.jpg

( Yea, the Rigging thread is fuzzy but it is still fantastic!)

 

   Nino

 

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, May 11, 2018 6:38 PM

What I found was that I did not have a sufficient vocabulary of French profanity.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, May 11, 2018 6:46 PM

CapnMac82

What I found was that I did not have a sufficient vocabulary of French profanity.

 

In that case when I finally start the Victory, my skills in that field should stand me well, since a former employer was a Navy man turned body and paint shop owner.  He added quite a bit to my English phrasesBig Smile

  • Member since
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  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:03 AM

Hi Nino,these links are absolutely perfect,just what I was looking for ! I only wish I could have seen this before I started.Way to go! Very much appreciated!

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  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:07 AM

Thanks Michael D! Nino sent me the perfect link to a wooden SR that shows every single thread and where it goes.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:27 AM

Only takes one word.

***!

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, May 12, 2018 9:56 PM

GMorrison
Only takes one word. ***!

"Semprini" can suffice, when German and Russian profanity fail Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfU6bmKsoko

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:41 PM

still my favourite show of all time

 

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