Masts and ratlines on 1:96 USS Constitution

Liastris2, welcome to the forum. There is a wealth of information here, but not with me. My Connie is at about he same point of construction as yours. Though I started modeling over 60 years ago; this is my first sailing ship and I don't know what I am doing. I will suggest that you do not enlarge any mast holes until your hear from greater wisdom.

Welcome! I'm not an expert on that model either- it's been a long time.

I think you are right about the mast misalignment. Can you even get at the hole in the lower deck?

If you can enlarge the lower deck hole, try to make a square of plastic with a correct size hole in it and position it over the enlarged hole so that the mast stands up straight.

Sounds like you have the solid plastic ratlines. 

Laitris,

The Revell Connie is a Love/Hate relationship for most modelers, the model can be built into a museum piece when the modeler takes his time as you  have. Having said that I have some dishearting news for you. The plastic shrouds and ratlines are trash and cannot be salvaged. The only way to address the issues you mwntioned is by rigging new threaded shrouds. and hand ties the ratlines. 

I know this will add more time, but the rigging will look great and its only one line at a time - winter is upon us, a good way to spend evenings....... if you send me a PM, I'll send you my email with  some pictures of mine with the rigging.

The mast foots' all have a small square of plastic that fits into a groove in the lower hull through the gundeck to the 'keel'. The plastic shrouds are all screwed up on this.

Also, the colors are stated in the kit are incorrect for most periods.

Jake Groby

Tying ratlines seems to be an issue with many folk.  We need more companies to do PE shroud/ratline assemblies.  There are a couple of not-well-known companies that do them for smaller scale sail, but I don't see why they would not work on larger scale stuff.  They really look great on the small-scale ships I have done.

It's also not out of the question to install the shrouds, but not the ratlines.

Jake, Why don't you put your pictures on this site. We would love to see them.

                   Gene

I have my pictures on Photobucket, but I dont think I can share them, do ya'll know how to? I though you have to be a member of photo bucket to post them?

I am also working on the rigging of the Revell's Connie. I have finised the foremast and am moving on to the main. A few things I learned the hard way:

1. Throw away the rigging lines supplied. Mine had too much "memory" which made rigging the foot ropes impossible. Also complictated all other rigging. The ever resourceful Mrs. bought me thread from a fabric store and the rest is history.

2. Maybe you could do the shrouds & ratlines after most of the rigging is in place. I didn't & it was very difficult running the line down the mast & securing them the the pins.

3. Speaking of belaying pins. make absolutely sure that the belaying pin rails are firmly attached to the bulwarks. A near suicidal moment occured when one of the last lines was being secured & the pin rail came loose.

Hope this helps. It is a challenge but makes up in to a fine model. Good luck.

Spotted Dog

2. Maybe you could do the shrouds & ratlines after most of the rigging is in place. I didn't & it was very difficult running the line down the mast & securing them the the pins. 

I am at the point of assembling the masts of my Connie; and I am considering spotted dog's idea of doing most the rigging before doing the shrouds. Is there any reason why someone would not want to take that approach?

Doing the shrouds first , sets your masts in a stable position , so that the rest of the rigging has something to anchor onto .

I would do the shrouds early on. That involves a fair amount of fiddling up through the lubber holes, around the mast and back down.

Do the first one starting at the forward end. Around the mast towards the stern back down on the same side to the second deadeye. Then do the same on the other side. Back and forth.

Only if there is an odd number do you go up one side and then down the other.

Keep the kit deadeyes.

Yes having a pintail snap off is horrible. Attach the with pins, in this kit the thing is to drill a hole from the outside and sli in a pin. Clip and paint.

GMorrison

I would do the shrouds early on. That involves a fair amount of fiddling up through the lubber holes, around the mast and back down.

I second what GM said. You could leave the ratlines for last, but I would definitely do the shrouds to stabilize the masts.

Bob

steve5

Doing the shrouds first , sets your masts in a stable position , so that the rest of the rigging has something to anchor onto .

 

This is where plastic sailing ship kits get tricky.Because all of the spars/ masts are pretty flexible, it can be tricky to keep things lined up, and not cause one line to go slack when you tighten another.

Also, esp. in the case where no sails are modeled, the running rigging is pretty minimal, mostly being comprised of the lifts and braces of the yards.

A very presentable model that only has the standing rigging and the lifts and braces on the yards can be done.

I think it was Dr. Tilley who once said that while waiting for an appointment, he had amused himself by calculating the length of cord required to install full running rigging on the 1/130 Revell HMS Bounty.

I do not recall what the exact number was, but it was close to 100 feet.

GMorrison

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Also, esp. in the case where no sails are modeled, the running rigging is pretty minimal, mostly being comprised of the lifts and braces of the yards.

A very presentable model that only has the standing rigging and the lifts and braces on the yards can be done.

 

 

It used to be a thing that many model ship builders built naval ships with bare yards, but put sails on civil ships.

Shipwreck

I am at the point of assembling the masts of my Connie; and I am considering spotted dog's idea of doing most the rigging before doing the shrouds.

First issue is that not everything ties off to the nmast. so, you'd have an ungainly mess, and all the fore stays would wind u mkaing you crazy.

Now, making up the masts, and rigging those, then rigging up each of the spars as its own thing will have some merit.

Now, for 2¢, I've never actually glued masts to deck, as the rigging winds up being quite sufficient, at least in scales as large as 1/96 and larger.  (Also avoids issues of things drying crooked or twisted, or what have you--which can be an issue with moulded parts this old, too.)

Now, as a point of order, you may find it more convenient to rig the topmast shrouds through the top--but not tieing off, before tackling the lower shrouds.

One way to sort through this is to treat each bit of rigging as a kit unto itself, this can help prevent rushing.  It also can help you keep moving.  As, say you are waiting for the foremast forestay to dry, you could be rigging the maintop's topmast deadeys.

Oh, and Bluejacket sells cast deadeye pairs with lanyards which can be a timesaver at this smaller scale, and can be a lot easier than Revell's two-piece plastic ones.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
Your Mileage May Vary.

Hi CapnMac,

Well thanks to all for the suggestions!!  I think I solved the crooked mainmast dilema--it took me awhile but using a fine circular file I was able to get to the lower deck and carefully widen the hole on the side of the "tilt", and I've got the masts to the point where they seem pretty well aligned.

The ratlines enclosed with the model look kinda bad--preformed exactly equal black plastic molds that seem to take away from the realism.  I don't know if I have the time to tie individual ratlines for each deck--would anyone know if its possible to buy other ratlines somewhere that fit the 1:96 Constitution?

Thanks!  Liatris2

Shipwreck

I am at the point of assembling the masts of my Connie; and I am considering spotted dog's idea of doing most the rigging before doing the shrouds.

First issue is that not everything ties off to the nmast. so, you'd have an ungainly mess, and all the fore stays would wind u mkaing you crazy.

Now, making up the masts, and rigging those, then rigging up each of the spars as its own thing will have some merit.

Now, for 2¢, I've never actually glued masts to deck, as the rigging winds up being quite sufficient, at least in scales as large as 1/96 and larger.  (Also avoids issues of things drying crooked or twisted, or what have you--which can be an issue with moulded parts this old, too.)

Now, as a point of order, you may find it more convenient to rig the topmast shrouds through the top--but not tieing off, before tackling the lower shrouds.

One way to sort through this is to treat each bit of rigging as a kit unto itself, this can help prevent rushing.  It also can help you keep moving.  As, say you are waiting for the foremast forestay to dry, you could be rigging the maintop's topmast deadeys.

Oh, and Bluejacket sells cast deadeye pairs with lanyards which can be a timesaver at this smaller scale, and can be a lot easier than Revell's two-piece plastic ones.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
Your Mileage May Vary.

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