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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Nothing Special. Just the Last and the First and Only !
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, November 8, 2019 10:24 AM

Hi Ya'll;

      I know, Aw Jees he's harping on this again. Well, not really. I was watching Modern Marvels and they re-did the Program about the Queen Mary. Okay,Okay. I failed to remember how much military history took place on her. besides I wasn't aware " Winnie" used her as his floating " War Room " too.

     Okay I give up, Historically she's has a history For England! The S.S. United States only claim to Fame is three fold. The last Great Ocean Liner Built IN the States.The laste great lady to claim the " Blue Riband " for the fastest crossing of the Atlantic. and The most Fire-resistant ship ever built!

    Now in our rich maritime History What else is there on the Civilian side? many " Bottoms" ( Marine speak)" of ours were the lifeline during and many years after the war. C-3s and subsequent types were able to rebuild Trans-Atlantic Traffic till everyone else caught up. 

    We got a bright idea during the Doesn't America have a love affair withthe Atom years!

 We saw the only ship of it's type built and operated under the American Flag. Yes-The N.S.Savannah! Truly gorgeous in both her lines and the hope that she would be the first to take our civilian maritime service to the top of the heap. And carry passengers too !

    Okay the first and only, Doesn't that really rate something? I won't mention this for a while I promise. I just cannot in all fairness fail to  let you all know that civilian and military sea history in this country should be remembered too. Yes, I approve of any and all we can put on display. Yes , It costs nowadays a Bundle of Bucks. Lotsa Bundles of Bucks. Just think, New Conference centers and Hotels created from already existing platforms. Hmmm. The U.S.S. Nimitz Hotel and Convention Center. Sounds good to me .Think of all the naval museum space too! ( Just an example there) .    T.B.     P.S. And the really wealthy can land on the roof too!

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, November 8, 2019 11:01 AM

I've always liked the idea of making our ship history into hotels. The revenue would pay for their upkeep and they would preserve maritime and naval history.

Good idea TB, write your congressman.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, November 8, 2019 11:19 AM

There would be a huge cost to make those old ships ADA compliant. Sort of impossible.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, November 8, 2019 1:46 PM

Modelcrazy;

   Concerning A/C Carriers I have .There's not much you can do with a cruiser, Battleship or Sub though. Now this is an idea. Some of the support ships like the U.S.S.Dixie and Piedmont have big side doors in the hull and elevators inside. So it wouldn't take much to ADA them.

      On ships , because civilian ships have very little of that in passenger and crew areas that wouldn't be a problem. I have seen an ADA elevator replace a stairway. Most military ships have W/T doors for survivability. I believe authenticity can still be achieved without defiling the vessel to a degree it's NOT historical.

   If I am correct I believe ships have different rules concerning that.  Unlike a Rail Station which Because it's a building, needs ADA compliance, but even then there are limitations.

    There can even be entries into the hull engineering spaces that are safer than the ones used for the crew without marring the effect or reality of the area. 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, November 8, 2019 1:47 PM

" G " ;

      See my answer to Modelcrazy. We made some mods to the Hornet and she's getting along with everybody just fine.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, November 8, 2019 2:33 PM

If it's a hotel, or other commercial use, it's going to be compliant unless an exemption is given. Also, as we discussed before, the SS United States is "fire proof", following the Normandie disaster, because there are no wood fittings.

A friend of mine (college roomate previously) worked on some schemes for her and had drawings. Very narrow corridors and a lot of shear.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

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  • From: San Antonio, Texas
Posted by Marcus McBean on Monday, November 11, 2019 5:53 PM

GMorrison

If it's a hotel, or other commercial use, it's going to be compliant unless an exemption is given. Also, as we discussed before, the SS United States is "fire proof", following the Normandie disaster, because there are no wood fittings.

A friend of mine (college roomate previously) worked on some schemes for her and had drawings. Very narrow corridors and a lot of shear.

 

If their was a market for these types of hotels there would be a lot more.  Very few retired ships offered the comfort people are looking for.  I wonder if the Queen is making money as a hotel or as a tourist attraction.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:15 PM

Hi There, Marcus!

 

  I am not sure ,But I think it's more a tourist and hotel thing than any thiing else. Imagine -" Oh, We stayed on the Queen Mary while we were there "

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Posted by rcboater on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:23 PM

Marcus is spot on.  If there was a market, it would happen more often.   Too expensive to be financially viable.

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Posted by keilau on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 7:03 PM

modelcrazy

I've always liked the idea of making our ship history into hotels. The revenue would pay for their upkeep and they would preserve maritime and naval history.

Good idea TB, write your congressman.

I enjoyed touring Queen Mary. But a hotel converted from an ocean liner is the last place I want to stay. Rooms are small and uncomfortable. Too many tourist too.

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 7:25 PM

A bit off topic, but I slept on the Star Of India (Euterpe) with my kids 4th grade class.  We all brought sleeping bags aboard and all the kids and chaperones learned about life aboard and had duties to perform.   Mine was the 3am watch... imagine waking these kids and asking them to take sightings at 3am.  Anyhow, can some of these ships be used for learning history like this?  Btw, not ADA compliant at all.  But a great experience, besides the knot in my back from sleeping on the deck!

Thanks,

John

Ain't no reason to hang my head, I could wake up in the mornin' dead 

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  • From: Lamarque,Texas
Posted by uspsjuan on Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:05 AM
With regards to Battleships and Cruisers, What about taking passengers on a day cruise? They sell rides on P-51's and B-17s so why not on a battleship? Maybe once a month/quarter they take a couple of hundred passengers out for the day. I would pay the same $300-400 that is charged for a plane ride for a cruise on a warship! Thoughts.... and go!
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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, November 15, 2019 8:27 PM

uspsjuan
With regards to Battleships and Cruisers, What about taking passengers on a day cruise?

There's a "tradition" where museum ships have their screws removed and/or the powerplants disabled.  It's not consistent, but it exists.

Typically, too, the conversions you need to make for shore power and potable water and the like tend to create a fairly fixed mooring, not the sort of thing that can e cast off easily.

There are some legal implications in operating warships--even neutered ones--by non-national entities. Further complicated by the fact that most US warships are just on very-long term loan from USN, and DeptNav reserves the right to rescind that loan and take back their ship (which has happened not too long ago with at least one submarine).

Whichthen leads to the Federal regulations for vessels carrying passengers for a fee, and those sorts of CG requirements can conflict with the things needed for curating a museum artifact as its own exhibit.

Which lastly brings us around to the issue of what are the consequences of an engineering casualty, sudden storms, etc., while underway with passengers.  Your average conservation organization is unlikely to put their museum in a situation where it might founder.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:43 AM

Capnmac82;

       You are so right. But here's a thought too. We have the opportunity her to do some other things that would be good for the community. Emergency housing! Low income or No income housing. 

       These things are ships true . But they could be used even unpowered for emergency storm related  housing in heavily Storm damaged port cities. 

       Other than that Schools for some type of Vo - Tech schools etc. I believe there is a use. If we can take numerous residences in a city and call them " Historically Registered" Then why not the Apex of the United States Civilian Shipbuilding abilities ???

       

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